Dillards 91: Increments of Change or Not?

[Smee]

My idle speculation is that this refers to the time just after they left the show, before they got the payout from it. Jill had a toddler and newborn and was recovering from a c-section, not able to work. They had hospital bills up the wazoo. Derrick had long ago left his WM job for scary Central America, and although he was still qualified for a better paying job, it takes time to apply & interview etc, and in that time he was also exploring legal options which ended up getting them the payout and through law school. I’m not surprised they floundered a bit when they realised TLC wouldn’t pay for the birth and daddy wouldn’t bail them out because they’d quit his precious show. We don’t know how long it went on for, or what other employment options they might have looked at if they hadn’t got the payout. 

[Audrey2]

Although I have no proof, I would not be surprised had Derek applied for jobs in his major that he would not have been hired for one after the show was canceled because of the show requiring frequent trips and potentially wanting to film him.

It doesn't tend to be humans who scan through job applications and resumes but computer algorithms. Even had he applied he also might have been sifted before it humanized saw his application because he didn't work at Walmart long enough.

 

Edited May 13, 2022 by Audrey2

[Grace]

15 hours ago, Sabine said:

Maybe this is where Cathy could take Jill aside and sit her down on the kitchen table and explain some reality to her, namely that women worked since the dawn of time and raised children. That Jill could get a no skill job in a supermarket packing shelfs, take in a few kids and create a business looking after kids, go to school - gasp - and get a proper high school degree and make that something. 

If this was right after #2 was born and that was when they were doing the ministry "internship" or whatever at the university I think that was probably at the very beginning of them starting therapy if not before they started. No WAY would pre-therapy Jill have ever considered going to work no matter what. She was brought up to believe that a wife working would totally emasculate her husband and ruin their lives. She was supposed to pray for him and believe that God would provide. Also, who would watch her kids while she worked her minimum wage, 'no skill'( eww, I hate that term)  job? No one at the TTH would be allowed to watch them for free and cost for 2 tiny kids would way outpace her paycheck.

Edited May 13, 2022 by Grace

[Father Son Holy Goat]

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“Unlike most who claim to have been sexual assaulted, the Plaintiffs in this case were forced to live with their alleged assailant for years after their respective assaults. 

Actually, over 90% of children who’ve been sexually assaulted know their abuser. Continuing to life the same home as an abuser is not rare. Furthermore, 97.5% of those who “claim” to be raped are telling the truth so the Sun can “claim” to go fuck itself. 
 

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The court papers also include exhibits mentioned in the response, including the Preliminary Psychological Opinion on Jill. 

In the documents, Jill revealed her counselor noted she suffered from “revictimization” and “trauma” following the release of the records. 

Jill continues weekly sessions with her husband. 

The opinion read of her current symptoms following the release of the records: “On a regular basis, she feels emotionally overwhelmed and prone to tears… She actively strives to manage emotions, distract herself and ‘not think about’ the ‘ubiquitous’ triggers. She tries to bury it.”

Poor Jill. 
 

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“No real measures were taken by their parents to ensure their safety during the remainder of their adolescence.”

Dear The Sun,

This is not news.

[Bluebirdbluebell]

Again the Sun is not a good source of information.

That being said think of how much JB and Michelle have shilled out for Josh's defense and then think about Jill and Derick going to food banks.  

I get that Jill and Derick didn't want to be dependent on her parents, but it's really pathetic and shameful that her parents either wouldn't help her or would only do so on their terms. By "shameful and pathetic" I mean for JB and Michelle. 

[Idlewild]

JB was apparently in charge of the money negotiating with TLC- he really should have included a clause to cover medical bills for any births that were filmed. 
Of course Derick is an educated man and Jill supposedly had some sort of  assistant midwife certificate- yet they went into parenthood without any contingency plan in case a hospital birth was needed. It was naive in the extreme if they assumed they could have a low cost home delivery - childbirth is very unpredictable. I get that Jill wasn’t raised to question her parents, but Derick should have been asking questions way before it got to the point that they needed to threaten JB with legal action.

[Bluebirdbluebell]

1 hour ago, Idlewild said:

JB was apparently in charge of the money negotiating with TLC- he really should have included a clause to cover medical bills for any births that were filmed. 
Of course Derick is an educated man and Jill supposedly had some sort of  assistant midwife certificate- yet they went into parenthood without any contingency plan in case a hospital birth was needed. It was naive in the extreme if they assumed they could have a low cost home delivery - childbirth is very unpredictable. I get that Jill wasn’t raised to question her parents, but Derick should have been asking questions way before it got to the point that they needed to threaten JB with legal action.

A lot of people, particularly men, don't know a lot about reproductive issues, pregnancy, childbirth, etc. as many of the arguments about reproductive rights reveal. The education level doesn't seem to matter. His mother had two kids very close in age, and his brother didn't have kids before him. It's not surprising Derick didn't know a lot about childbirth, pregnancy, etc.

Jill on the other hand had 15 younger siblings and was training to be midwife. She should have known a lot more. JB should have had TLC pay for health insurance or bought health insurance with his millions since his kids basically work for him.

 

 

Edited May 14, 2022 by Bluebirdbluebell

[BemusedByFundamentalism]

Derrick got sworn in as a licensed attorney yesterday. Pictures in link.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CdhfjADqTcd/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

Edited May 14, 2022 by BemusedByFundamentalism
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[Idlewild]

Derick had a job with Walmart- that would have had a health plan after a qualifying period, surely? They knew what happened with Josie and he married into a cult whose USP was having stupid amounts of children.

When he gave up his job to become a full time grifter/performer in the Duggar circus, it never occurred to him to ask what the arrangements would be if one of them needed medical treatment? It doesn’t even need to be pregnancy related- what if one of them had appendicitis? Or a fractured limb? Derick comes across as enjoying his intellectual superiority over the Duggars- it must be a source of embarrassment that he led his family into that mess without asking pertinent questions. Of course, maybe he did and JB lied - you can never discount that as a possibility. 
Anyway, I’m glad he’s sworn in as a lawyer and I hope he has a good career ahead of him away malign Duggar influence.

[Mama Mia]

We really don’t know the Dillard’s insurance situation when Jill gave birth to Samuel. And it’s certainly possible they had no insurance. But it’s also entirely possible they were left with extensive medical costs even with insurance. Even if they had still had insurance through a large employer, or a “good” private plan.. We don’t know the details of what went wrong with the birth — but even a short NICU stay and/or surgery complications  for Jill can be massively expensive. A several thousand deductible, and the 20% co-pay after that, combined with some specialist or lab or procedure being invariably out-of-networks —- ends up with tens of thousands of debt very, very quickly. Even with just minor complications or hospital stays requiring lots of testing and medications you can easily be talking $10,000+ - after insurance. And it sounds like there was a great deal of time spent in the hospital and lots of complications. If they didn’t have a maximum annual out of pocket cap — their share could easily have hit $100,000.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Mama Mia

[livinginthelight]

7 hours ago, BemusedByFundamentalism said:

Derrick got sworn in as a licensed attorney yesterday. Pictures in link.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CdhfjADqTcd/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

I hope this is giving JB nightmares.

[Cam]

1 hour ago, livinginthelight said:

I hope this is giving JB nightmares.

Among other things, I feel like Derick’s becoming a licensed attorney is a big F U to JB. It wouldn’t surprise me if, when Jill and Derick decided to leave Counting On that part of the verbal abuse JB sneered at them was “You’ll never make it on your own!” and other sentiments of that sort. JB waited for their downfall but—didn’t happen! One has to wonder if Derick would have gone the lawyer route had he stayed under JB’s control. The fallout was Derick’s incentive to tap into his own potential.
 

There  may come a time when one or more Duggar siblings (not Josh) have legal questions and hit Derick up for advice from time to time. Ya never know.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Cam

[JermajestyDuggar]

3 hours ago, Cam said:

Among other things, I feel like Derick’s becoming a licensed attorney is a big F U to JB. It wouldn’t surprise me if, when Jill and Derick decided to leave Counting On that part of the verbal abuse JB sneered at them was “You’ll never make it on your own!” and other sentiments of that sort. JB waited for their downfall but—didn’t happen! One has to wonder if Derick would have gone the lawyer route had he stayed under JB’s control. The fallout was Derick’s incentive to tap into his own potential.
 

There  may come a time when one or more Duggar siblings (not Josh) have legal questions and hit Derick up for advice from time to time. Ya never know.

I would really love it if some of the siblings looked at Derrick and Jill and realized that higher education can pay off. 

[SassyPants]

Of course JB is disgusted. Remember the time he shared his views on education and how he thought it was a waste of $$$? What he really meant to say… that the best way to control people is by withholding knowledge and experiences. 

[DalmatianCat]

57 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I would really love it if some of the siblings looked at Derrick and Jill and realized that higher education can pay off. 

I’m hoping in a year or two Josiah will pop back on Instagram long enough to say, “Surprise! I just graduated with my Bachelors in (finance, business, accounting, computer science, fill-in-the-blank)“

Edited May 14, 2022 by DalmatianCat
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[JermajestyDuggar]

41 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

Of course JB is disgusted. Remember the time he shared his views on education and how he thought it was a waste of $$$? What he really meant to say… that the best way to control people is by withholding knowledge and experiences. 

Plus it’s probably JB trying to feel better about his poor choice of never attending college. If he had spent their childless time while using birth control going to college, maybe he would have been able to provide better for his family. Instead of grifting, exploiting his family on tv, and cramming them into a too small home. 

[eljayem]

Well the Duggar Fam has acknowledged it and not just ignored it which I fully expected them to - they re-posted the pic of the Dillards in their IG stories with a congratulations sticker.

[JermajestyDuggar]

1 minute ago, eljayem said:

Well the Duggar Fam has acknowledged it and not just ignored it which I fully expected them to - they re-posted the pic of the Dillards in their IG stories with a congratulations sticker.

It’s easy to acknowledge on social media with a stories repost. I would have been shocked if they had congratulated him in person. They can pretend everything is great on social media. Not so much in person. 

[Mama Mia]

4 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

It’s easy to acknowledge on social media with a stories repost. I would have been shocked if they had congratulated him in person. They can pretend everything is great on social media. Not so much in person. 

I don’t know. Credit where it’s due, and this is probably only because it’s Jana or Hannie who run the account — but Derek just spent a ton of time and energy absolutely trashing JB online in comments and posts. And has been VERY open about how much he hates him. So I think an official family share congratulating him is something.  

[marmalade]

The Dillards attended a strawberry festival in what appears to be their new town, Stillwell, OK, on Saturday. Derick has a connection to the DA there through the University of Arkansas.  It might not be a stretch to assume he got a job in the DA's office. Jill hashtagged something like #socialjusticelawyer on his swearing in post. Normally, I would take that to mean he would be defending the wronged, but it could also track to criminal cases such as spousal abuse, etc.

Edited May 15, 2022 by marmalade
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[Idlewild]

Jill put #publicserviceattorney in her post - could cover a number of roles.

[front hugs > duggs]

Would Derrick get sworn in formally in Arkansas if he was going to be living/working in Oklahoma? Do we know for certain they moved to Oklahoma? JW! Looks like Stilwel is on the edge of OK/AR.

[socalrules]

Derrick had to be sworn in by an Arkansas official for his license to go into effect. If he is working in Oklahoma, he may be clerking for an Oklahoma Superior Court Judge. You usually don’t have to be licensed, just have graduated from law school, for the position. It’s usually a one to two year term position where you research and draft opinions for a judge. Those are good, well paid, at least in California, positions that will look really good on a resume. Plus, the writing experience you get will really help you in the future. 

[Idlewild]

Can someone explain what it means to be licensed? Is this a one off thing that  means he can now practice as lawyer, do advocacy etc? Does it have to be renewed every year? I’m in England and have to renew my practising certificate every year - my current role doesn’t strictly need one but I keep it just in case.

[QuiverFullofBooks]

1 hour ago, Idlewild said:

Can someone explain what it means to be licensed? Is this a one off thing that  means he can now practice as lawyer, do advocacy etc? Does it have to be renewed every year? I’m in England and have to renew my practising certificate every year - my current role doesn’t strictly need one but I keep it just in case.

Yes, licensing, or joining the bar, means he can practice law. The swearing-in is a one-off (unless you join the bar in another state). You have to pay dues and take continuing education every year.