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  1. singsingsing

    Caleb Williams

    I'm sickened that people are trying to defend this guy. He was charged with aggravated criminal sexual abuse. The best case scenario for him is that he was in a sketchy relationship with a girl under the age of 18 who was at least 5 years younger than him at the time. If he was 23 when the first offence occurred, sure, his victim may have been as old as 17. But you guys are suggesting that this may be an ongoing relationship with the same girl. Which would mean that she was still under 18 when the second offence occurred, ending in May 2018. Do the math. Do you think a 23-year-old fingering a 15-year-old is cool? We don't even have all the details and people are already trying to absolve him of this and blame the #metoo movement? What the actual fuck? I absolutely did not expect to see this here. Unbelievable.
  2. singsingsing

    Caleb Williams

    Oh, I'm sorry, it's even worse. It's under 17, not 18. So the best case scenario is that he was fingering a 16-year-old girl when he was 23!* And if this is the same girl, she was still under 17 in August 2016, which means she couldn't have been more than 15 when he was inserting his finger in her vagina. Now I'm not totally sure how the law works, but if she had to have still been under 17 for the charge to apply at the end of the stated period, that would mean she was 13 or 14 when the abuse began. And he was in his 20s. Still interested in defending this sack of shit? I'm fucking livid. The Duggar daughters get shit on here for literally everything they do, including things they can't control. They get criticized, mocked and shamed for their clothes, their hair, the way they speak, the way they smile, what they eat, what their houses look like. And along comes this random turd who's associated with them, charged with the sexual abuse of a minor, and people eagerly jump to his defence and start victim blaming. What the hell? *I read somewhere that he's currently 26, but now I can't find it. Regardless, he sexually abused a minor when he was an adult.
  3. ViolaSebastian

    Caleb Williams

    I, too, was sadly the victim of rape at the age of 14 by a 27-year-old man I met over the internet. Looking back, he very carefully manipulated me into having this encounter. He was going to marry me, save me from my crappy family, he loved me, he'd pay for me to go to college, and he was going to dump his current live-in girlfriend.* He knew what he needed to say to get what he wanted, and he did it. I felt like I was a super mature, sophisticated 14-year-old who knew what she was doing. Now, after working with 14-year-olds, I realize how very far I was from being able to make that decision, especially when I had a grown man, with all the experience that entails, carefully grooming me into being what I, too, thought was a willing participant. That's part of the manipulation--that you think you're totally in control, but your inexperience in life is being used against you. Grown men do not date 14-year-old girls without an agenda. Period. Full stop. And having sex with them, in any form, is rape. And it's wrong. And that person is a criminal. It took me until I was 31 to realize that what he'd done was rape me. That may sound strange, but when this happened (mid-nineties), there was very little conversation about consent, sexual assault, coerced sex, etc. So it took learning about these concepts to fully realize how much I'd be wronged. I knew what he did was legally considered statutory rape, but I didn't realize how much deeper, and sicker, it went. *I've looked him up on Facebook. He's still with her, 20 years on.
  4. MargaretElliott

    Caleb Williams

    Is it possible that Caleb had a consensual relationship with a minor, and she's just pressing charges because she feels guilty/she wants to get back at him for leaving her/she's a frigid bitch? Of course it's possible, but I don't think it's likely- at all. Come on, what do you think is more likely: A man in a patriarchal church, raised to think he has authority over women simply because he is a man taking advantage of a minor... OR a young girl baring her shame and risking her reputation, enduring being called a liar, a slut, and a whore, being disbelieved and ridiculed by her community, those she loves and respects no longer respecting her, just to.... get back at a guy? There's a reason most sex abuse victims don't come forward, and that's because people will look at them and say "I don't believe you, you were asking for it, you led him on, you just want to ruin his life," after they just experienced trauma and abuse. That's why a lot of them will just pretend it didn't happen and hope it goes away - because they know no one will believe them if they tell the truth. But come on, even if it was a secular party girl, that doesn't necessarily change anything- America is still super fucked up with it's attitude towards sex as a whole, and she'd still most likely experience shame and victim-blaming. If she was a Christian girl who ran with more conservative circles, it would just be worse. This, combined with the fact that he's associated with the Duggar's CLEARLY patriarchal, victim-blaming, woman-shaming church, where women are responsible for men's sexuality and resulting actions, makes it clear to me which story I think is more likely. If you don't believe sex abuse victims, you are part of the problem. /endrant
  5. Casserole

    Caleb Williams

    NO. Statutory rape is a thing for a reason. It is illegal for a reason. I wish I could go back in time and protect 16/17 year old Casserole from the predatory 20/21/22 year olds that found their way into my life.* At 16, I thought all was good and I would never call it rape. Looking back as a 28 year old, it was absolutely, positively, beyond a reasonable doubt rape. Yeah, I "consented" but I did not have the brain capacity to truly consent because literally my brain was not fully matured yet. Children cannot consent. Period. Ever. Full stop. *Yes, I know I could go after them now as statue of limitations does not exist in NJ. I have a good therapist and I don't want to go through the trauma of the court system. I am at peace with where I am now. But I will fight to the death to protect kids, especially vulnerable females, from this shit ever happening to them.
  6. Lurky

    Caleb Williams

    It ties in to so many misogynistic tropes, but it also amazes me how much people who think like this really dislike all the men in their life. It assumes men are pitiful creatures who are completely uncontrollable when aroused, and incapable of having any moral standards, and so women have to always be careful around them, because men are basically animals who can't control themselves. They assume men don't have a moral compass, or ethical standards, or brains, they just have a dick. I can't imagine thinking about the men in my life like this - I hold them to the same standards I hold my women friends *because* I like, love, respect and trust them. This kind of thinking absolves the men of blame ("a teenager had a crush on him, so he had no choice") but it reduces them to animals, and it really makes me sad for the good men and boys whose families and friends don't see them as fully human. ETA I'm always surprised when it's conservative types who simultaneously believe men are natural leaders, and also can't be held accountable for anything when their dicks get hard. All those people who don't even trust *themselves* to be in a room alone with a woman, but at the same time think they're built by God as the best gender? The cognitive dissonance burns me.
  7. MargaretElliott

    Caleb Williams

    Maybe it is common in some places for people of this age difference to have sex. But this isn't a girl talking about her personal experiences, this isn't A. C. talking about her relationship with Caleb, this isn't a context in which this was presented as consensual. Literally the only evidence we have is that he is being charged with sexual assault. This is clearly a context where consent has gone out the fucking window. Just a question to those saying it's normal for 14 year olds to have sex with men in their early 20s: How many of them brought charges against those men? How many of them brought false charges against the man just to ruin his life? A few? One? None? How many of their parents brought up charges? How many of the girls disagreed with those charges? How many men do you know of, specifically, in your life, whose lives were ruined by false charges brought up by a teenager they were in a relationship with? Now, think of all the 14 year olds in the world who have been sexually assaulted by men in their early 20s. How many brought charges against the men? How many more are there? How many more do you know that never brought up charges, merely suffering in silence, because they were ashamed? Because they thought no one would believe them? Hundreds? Thousands? I know of at least 4, personally. My point is, again, option 1 is possible, but option 2 is, statistically, a hell of a lot more likely. Why would anyone believe option 1 when it's much more reasonable to believe option 2? Addressing, once again, those who believe she is lying: You are the reason why, if I was assaulted at 14, I would never have told anyone. Because I would have been ashamed. Because I would have been afraid. Because the adults in my life would have said things like you just said. And after enduring trauma, that would have just made it hurt more. Because I knew I would be questioned at every turn, did I lead him on, what did I say to hem, how was it my fault, etc, etc. Do you really want to make the young women in your lives feel unsafe coming to you if they were assaulted? Do you really think they don't hear your opinions of other women, and ascribe it to themselves? Do you think they'll actually come to you for help after you disparage other women, who have gone through the same thing. You need to be better.
  8. Buzzard

    Caleb Williams

    I will either clear things up with this post or make people want to puke. I'm not sure how this will go, but this is the law in Illinois (disclaimer - I am not an illinois attorney): Illinois does not have "rape." They have "Criminal Sexual Assault." The definition is in two parts, Criminal Sexual Assault and Aggravated Criminal Sexual Assault. Agg is relevant here because thats how he's charged in the indictment, you must meet the factors in criminal sexual assault to sustain agg sexual assault: Criminal Sexual Assault is: The key difference between Agg Crim Sexual Assault and Crim Sexual Assault are the force factors. The fact that they charged it this way tells us: 1 - The victim is someone he held "a position of trust, authority, or supervision" over or is a family member (family member is unlikely based on the word choice mirroring the statute) and 2 - consent is unlikely based on the charging of the aggravating charge. One of the "aggravating circumstances" must be present or they would have charged just Crim sexual assault. This charge, if convicted, WILL result in prison time. Probation is not an option.
  9. ChickenettiLuvr

    JRod 84: Parties Without Enough Party Hats

    Thanks, folks. Officially discharged and on my way home to catch a nap. Numbers are better. Grateful for improvement overall. It will be a long day ... but that's okay.
  10. Carm_88

    John David and Abbie 7: Happiness Continues

    Clearly JD is pregnant and suffering from Hyperemesis gravidarum! Just like the Duchess of Cambridge!
  11. singsingsing

    Caleb Williams

    I can give them the benefit of the doubt in this individual case, because how would they know that he was a rapist/sexual predator? People can't be expected to just magically know that another person is a rapist, and for all we know he hid it and the Duggars had absolutely no idea. The scariest thing about people like this is that they blend in. They could be anyone, including people you'd never expect. That said, there is a very disturbing pattern here. The Duggars have been associated with multiple men who have committed disturbing sexual offences. One or two could be explained away, but the sheer number, plus what we know about their cult, makes that impossible. Jim Bob and Michelle need to seriously reckon with the fact that the lifestyle they've chosen for themselves and their children attracts and produces sexual predators and an alarmingly high rate.
  12. singsingsing

    Caleb Williams

    I don’t give a shit if its normal in your world. Lots of terrible things are normal in lots of places. In some places it’s normal to beat your wife, or for rape victims to be stoned to death. An adult man having sex with a young teen is NEVER OKAY. It’s sick, wrong, and illegal for good reason, and fuck you for trying to normalize it. Seriously, on behalf of victims of statutory rape and sexual abuse, fuck you.
  13. Bad Wolf

    Caleb Williams

    Josh, Tabitha's husband, and now Caleb. And the Duggars think they're protecting their children from the evils of the outside world? There's more danger inside the house than out.
  14. singsingsing

    Caleb Williams

    Stop. Making. Excuses. For. Predators. Stop giving the benefit of the doubt to the people making excuses. There is never such thing as consent when a man in his 20s is having sex with a 14 or 15-year-old. Full stop.
  15. ChickenettiLuvr

    JRod 84: Parties Without Enough Party Hats

    Okay folks - this isn't funny. Next night, same level of sickness, same ER but different room, another round of meds not working. I can't even make it out of my bedroom, thru an afternoon of work. Any prayers, spells, candles, thoughts -- I'll take it. Hubs is frustrated so he's mad & yelling. Not helpful. Forget a suitcase. Clammy sweatpants, a robe, and grubby slippers it is. Lordy. Now I can't drive for another 16 hours, even with a miraculous recovery. Sorry for the whine & tears again.
  16. Palimpsest

    Caleb Williams

    Everyone is entitled to express an opinion (within the rules) on Free Jinger. And everyone is allowed to disagree with any opinions expressed here. But and and If you already know the vast majority of other Free Jinger members disagree with you then you have to take your lumps when they do disagree! And there is a fine line between expressing an unpopular opinion and baiting other posters. Especially over something as sensitive as the sexual abuse of minors. Or have read about them in the paper. Or had their father's aunt's best friend's cousin's friend was wrongly accused of rape when it was consensual ... Many of us believe strongly that while circumstances like this *may* happen they are in the vast minority. Immediately looking for excuses for predatory behaviour and statutory rape will be called out here. Every single time. At Free Jinger we historically support victims and call out abusers. That is not going to change.
  17. ChickenettiLuvr

    JRod 84: Parties Without Enough Party Hats

    Don't mind me, Jingerites. I'm looking for simple, non-barf-inducing time-passers at the moment, and this is where I landed. I'd show you a photo of MY current "landscape," but it's in an ER room with Silver doors, White blanket, Black & Purple arms from failed sticks, IV fluids flowing Green & QUICKLY, Potassium "banana bag" running Yellow, blood pressure monitor flashing Red @ 205/158 & howling angrily, Round #1 meds on board yet ineffective so Blue barf bag at hand, cuz that's how my evening/ night/ wee hours are going. ☆No college credit for my virtual art, but the expected bill would pay for several of TimBits' class hours. ☆ I'm supposed to be at home *cue holiday lights & colors,* wrapping the last few gifts, and pre-packing for Christmas trip to see family out of state. Crossing fingers that Round #2 of meds actually helps and that cute ER doc ignores my ugly EKG rhythms and doesn't admit me. Praying Buddy the Elf tells my kidneys to cooperate also to bypass inpatient status. [So far it's a good sign that I'm still griping & conscious ... but if BP gets spiteful and tanks to 40/30, all bets are off.] ER staff is already stretched thin & weary due to SECOND critical overdose since I checked in ~3.5 hours ago. (I honestly don't know how they do it.) Nursing staff keeps apologizing for my lengthy delays in treatment cuz "resources are monopolized elsewhere on regular ODers." Yikes. Round #2 on board. Still 199/144. No relief yet at the 4+ hour mark. Dear Rufus, hear my prayers. (And continue to keep doc slightly distracted & more inclined to spring me.) Thanks for the distraction, folks. Christmas cheer & spikes 'nog to all.
  18. SamiKatz

    Caleb Williams

    People assuming, or opining that it "may be" as the result of a ongoing relationship between the perpetrator and the victim are part of the problem with girls, boys, women and men not reporting sexual assault. Why would that be your first thought on this? It's a form of victim blaming in my opinion.
  19. singsingsing

    Caleb Williams

    Un.fucking.believable. I honestly feel like I’m going to vomit. I don’t want to just exit this discussion because this shit absolutely needs to be challenged, but I honestly don’t think I can stomach this any longer. I can’t be part of a conversation where people try to justify the sexual abuse of a teenager by an adult man. Can I remind you that he has been charged with these crimes? She’s not reminiscing about her sexual experiences with an older man and saying ‘yeah I guess it was kind of sketchy, but I did consent and I really don’t regret it!’ He’s been charged with sexual abuse. Aggravated sexual abuse. I’m furious. And disgusted. And incredibly disappointed. I don’t think I can be involved in this anymore. I hope others keep pushing back. I’m sorry I have to bow out. I think I’m going to log off for a while. I don’t want to take part in a forum with people making excuses for sexual predators.
  20. Casserole

    Caleb Williams

    Since I mentioned the hindsight statutory rape, I'll elaborate. Short answer, yes, there's a connection. At 15 I was drugged and raped at a party by another 17 year old "minor." The following year was a series of really bad decisions in an effort to "regain" control of my life and sexuality, one of which was dating/sexual activity with a manager of the restaurant I was a hostess at. Statutory rape on 2 counts; one for age, one for power dynamic. Followed up with dating a guy in his senior year of college who had no business with a kid who couldn't even legally drive a car yet. My whole life up until that point I was constantly told I was like a little old woman, so mature for my age, etc. etc. so I didn't see the red flags with age differences, but they were there. They were preying on a very vulnerable girl. Instead of continuing the cycle, I got a therapist and continued on my extensive education. Now I tend to live by the saying "be who you needed when you were younger" and I have stepped in here and there when I noticed some red flags in some young women's lives and relationships solely to make sure they feel safe and respected and inquire about potential things going on in their lives. The cycle doesn't end unless you actively try to end it.
  21. Carm_88

    Caleb Williams

    A 14-15 year old cannot give consent. Full stop, no look back. I don't care if you think that you are the most mature kid on the planet, you are still a kid. The laws are in place to protect teens for a reason. They think that they know it all and end up groomed by perverts. And if you are over the age of 18 and you are trying to engage in sexual activity with a 13-14 year old, you are a pervert. I have stated this before that I will always believe the victims in these situations. Because women have nothing to gain and everything to lose by accusing a man of sexual assault. This poor girl was brave enough to come forward and say that this wasn't ok and people have the nerve to say that she wanted this. You weren't in the room, you do not know what happened, and you can take your bullshit and shove it. Don't make up pretty stories, it was assault. She did not want it. Stop making excuses for men! If you want to make shit up, write a fucking novel or fanfiction.
  22. nastyhobbitses

    Caleb Williams

    My thoughts: if a grown man in his mid-twenties is pursuing sex with a teenage girl at least five years younger than him, he's a creep. Plain and fucking simple. I tend to conceptualize age gaps in relationships as gaps in life stages; I've brought this up before, but I'm 27 and dating a guy in his forties. But I'm nearly 6 years out of college, have an advanced degree, working a full-time job, and living on my own -- I'm an adult with a decent amount of life experience and given that the guy I'm dating is not my boss or sugar daddy, there's pretty much no power differential in our relationship. We're equals despite the 15-year gap. But when I was 16, I had a "fling" with a 23-year-old guy. It never went beyond making out, but there was a definite gap in developmental stages and thus power: he was a grown man with an Associate's degree and living out in the world, I was a 16-year-old girl who was still in high school, living with her parents, and hadn't even gotten her driver's license yet. Instead of going for a girl in her twenties, or even maybe a 19-year-old who had finished school and had some life experience similar to him, 23-year-old guy went for me, a naive high school girl who mostly knew about sex and relationships from fan fiction. Creepy. I was so mad when my parents made me stop seeing him, but now I'm glad they saw the relationship for what it was. Caleb is a grown-ass man and he was having penetrative sex with an underage girl; I can abso-fucking-lutely guarantee that this wasn't some Romeo and Juliet shit where oopsies he's a freshman in college who bangs his 17-year-old girlfriend who's a year behind him (which I think is pretty much fine). This was a grown man who had a sexual relationship with a teenage girl whom he could exploit. And if she was as young as THIRTEEN, it's even fucking worse. No. There is no defense of Caleb. I hope that he gets the punishment he rightly deserves, and shame on the Duggars for allowing a parade of predators into their home.
  23. Gimme a Free RV

    JRod 84: Parties Without Enough Party Hats

    You better watch out, Jill's gonna cry. There's not a doubt I'm telling you why-- Tim-o-thy is coming to town! Jill's having such fits, She's posted it twice. (Whilst she's judging who's sluttish, not nice.) Tim-o-thy is coming...to town! She'll watch him while he's sleeping Take pictures when awake. She'll ask if school's been bad or good While she blots her tears--all fake! Oh...you better watch out, Jill's gonna cry! She'll "selfie" a pout, I'm telling you why: Timothy again will leave town!
  24. TuringMachine

    Caleb Williams

    Let's talk about that 2%-10% part. I posted something about this in the thread about kavadouche, but I'll give a tl;dr here. You're assuming that 2%-10% of rape allegations being false means that 2%-10% of men accused of rape are innocent. This is not true. Only about 18% of false rape allegations actually name someone. The majority of false accusations are teenagers trying to get out of trouble and poor people desperate for health care. So in reality only .36% - 1.8% of rape allegations actually involve accusing an innocent person. Given what @Buzzard has stated about the charge (that it is unlikely to have been "consensual" even if you think 14 year olds can consent to sex with an adult), and that the state felt confident enough to charge him, the fact that you feel confident giving your opinion that she just "developed a different perspective" based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever tells me a whole lot about your opinion of women. 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
  25. Carm_88

    Caleb Williams

    My body was mature at 14, I developed young, and if you didn't see my face; I looked older. So that meant that I was catcalled and shouted at "If only you were a little bit older..." By grown fucking men. I cried and wondered what I did to make them think that I was some sort of slut. The thing is that the issue was never with me, I was not the one who was wrong. I was a child and I continued to be a child for many years after that. No one deserves to be sexually assaulted or groomed or forced into a situation that they are uncomfortable with. Whether it be an older woman grooming a young boy or an older man grooming a young girl; the child in the situation is not and will never be to blame. The older person has all the power and the younger is flattered. "You're so much different then girls your age..." (Or boys), it's the age old cry of those making a younger person believe that they are different, special. Isn't that what everyone wants to believe? Considering that so many who are groomed often have low self esteem. They prey on that. Stop defending that shit. Stop making the slut comments, stop saying about a walk of shame, stop putting down other's experiences, stop commenting on other people's clothes and using that as an excuse. Stop giving predators/sexual abusers excuses. They don't need them. Be supportive of those who have been wronged be they male or female. Age of consent is important because if the person has not met that age line, they cannot tell you yes. It is not legal, you will go to jail and I will not feel bad for you, not for one minute.


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