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At my school we used to tell freshman there was a tunnel between the fresh/Soph campus and jr/sr campus. Truthfully, there was a tunnel, but it was between two buildings at the jr/sr campus not between the two campuses. 

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On 4/3/2022 at 5:04 PM, feministxtian said:

 

My kids sort of swim and I'm ashamed of that, but the X wouldn't bother paying for lessons b/c he couldn't swim and didn't see the point in learning. 

I'm sorry your X had such a ridiculous attitude. If your kids have basic swimming skills, that's probably fine, you don't need to master all the strokes to be safe in the water.

I also learned to swim in camp, and got pretty good (eventually became a lifeguard). When I grew up, I had several friends who could not swim at all. The real downside was that they were in a state of terror whenever they were in a boat, raft, canoe, etc. If the boat capsized, it wouldn't just mean an uncomfortable dunking, it could mean death. That taught me that knowing how to swim wasn't just a nice skill to have (like bicycling), it was actually pretty essential to feeling comfortable when doing any water activity.

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From the clip shown on IG of the boys in their lessons, they have very little swimming experience-

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On 4/7/2022 at 9:44 PM, Born Skeptic said:

And why do you believe this?  In the US, pool fence rules are set by either the state or local government.  The vast majority do in fact require fences around residential pools.  Additionally, it is virtually impossible to obtain homeowners insurance on a house with an unsecured pool.  While a few people may skirt the requirement by putting in an above ground pool and not fencing it in, it is generally not legal and is certainly not the norm.  Where I currently live, my pool must be fenced or screened (outside) and secured from inside the home by either a fence, locks, and/or alarms.  

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pool in USA fenced. From many Facebook friends/groups, the variety of tv pool shows - tv home reno shows, the pools are always just sitting open in the yard. 
so it’s good to know there are indeed laws in some states. 

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1 hour ago, Lotsofdots said:

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pool in USA fenced. From many Facebook friends/groups, the variety of tv pool shows - tv home reno shows, the pools are always just sitting open in the yard. 
so it’s good to know there are indeed laws in some states. 

IF I remember right, there was a big deal about fences around pools when I lived in PHX. It was mostly enforced through homeowner's insurance. W/O a fence the insurance was insane. My husband's uncle and aunt had a pool, no fence and no kids at home. Didn't matter. No fence and their insurance was fkn crazy. Our house, the insurance was pretty cheap b/c our fence was 6' high and was attached to the house on one end and the wall on the other. The gate on the other side had to have a lock too. So, in our house it was like...back door to patio. To the left was the fence. The gate had to have the latch high enough to be out of reach of most kiddos, like 5' up. The gate also had a spring so it would close automatically and could not be accidently left open. The other gate on the other side of the house had to be locked since there was no fence on that side. I loved that fence. I'd use it to hang clothes on to dry. Phoenix in summer? Stuff is dry in like 10 minutes (no shit). I know I have pictures somewhere of the pool and the fence. Here in CO, I'm not sure about fences. Personally, I'd be all about a big-ass fence that was damn near impossible to climb (like no chain link fencing), but I don't think I'll ever have another house with a pool. 

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Whenever we have stayed in rented Florida houses there has always been a pool fence with an alarm. It may be a rental thing but I assumed it was the same everywhere in the US.

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Growing up in Arizona in the 90's and early 2000's, I can't recall seeing a single pool fence. We definitely never had one for ours- I think everyone just relied on patio doors with child proof locks.

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4 hours ago, Idlewild said:

Whenever we have stayed in rented Florida houses there has always been a pool fence with an alarm. It may be a rental thing but I assumed it was the same everywhere in the US.

I think they are more popular nowadays. They are probably less expensive now compared to the past. 

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We had an in ground pool in a previous CA home (1999-2009). The regulation at that time was the pool either needed to fenced or enclosed in a fenced yard. So, the protection was for those outside the yard. I think when my brother, who lived down the block from us, put his pool in a couple of years later, the doors exiting the house into the yard had to be alarmed if the pool was not fenced. Our home had the fenced yard, plus the alarmed exit doors. 

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Our pool that is nearly finished has the following and passed inspection:

1. We have a fence around the perimeter of our property, full enclosing in our back yard.

2. We have an alarm in our pool that, in theory, detects the water motion and will apparently be very loud (we don't have our pool filled yet, and have not heard it go off)

3. We have a sliding glass door with locks out to a lanai (screened in patio); there is also a sliding screen door to the lanai that locks.

4. We screened in our lanai, and so there is an additional door that get locked (the lock is actually about 4 ft high), separating the lanai from the outdoors/pool.

The first people visiting us will have a toddler with them. Please let me know if there is anything else I should consider for when they are here visiting next month! I'm a first time pool owner, and really want to make sure we have our bases covered here.

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25 minutes ago, front hugs > duggs said:

Our pool that is nearly finished has the following and passed inspection:

1. We have a fence around the perimeter of our property, full enclosing in our back yard.

2. We have an alarm in our pool that, in theory, detects the water motion and will apparently be very loud (we don't have our pool filled yet, and have not heard it go off)

3. We have a sliding glass door with locks out to a lanai (screened in patio); there is also a sliding screen door to the lanai that locks.

4. We screened in our lanai, and so there is an additional door that get locked (the lock is actually about 4 ft high), separating the lanai from the outdoors/pool.

The first people visiting us will have a toddler with them. Please let me know if there is anything else I should consider for when they are here visiting next month! I'm a first time pool owner, and really want to make sure we have our bases covered here.

I’m sure you know this, but: One gotta have eyes on the toddler at all times when he’s in the pool. Drowning is silent and quick so even looking away for thirty seconds is too long. 

Aside from that, your safety approach seems very thorough and I wish you many lovely hours enjoying your pool! I wish I had one. Sounds like so much fun. 

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14 hours ago, Lotsofdots said:

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a pool in USA fenced. From many Facebook friends/groups, the variety of tv pool shows - tv home reno shows, the pools are always just sitting open in the yard. 
so it’s good to know there are indeed laws in some states. 

Pool fences are required in Georgia, USA although it might be more of an insurance thing than anything else.
 

Most folks I know there who have/had pools (not a lot, but a few!) just had their backyards fenced in, which isn’t really the safest option (don’t ask me how I know 😭), but it apparently meets the requirements. 

Oh! The family in the show Big Love had their pool fenced in (set in Utah, of course) Watching that show was the first time I ever remember seeing a pool-specific fence that was right next to the pool.

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In college the thing to tell the freshmen was that there was a pool on the "secret" fourth floor of the library.

There was actually a fourth floor. It wasn't secret though, it's just the big front staircase didn't go all the way up there. It did not have a pool though.

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9 hours ago, front hugs > duggs said:

Our pool that is nearly finished has the following and passed inspection:

1. We have a fence around the perimeter of our property, full enclosing in our back yard.

2. We have an alarm in our pool that, in theory, detects the water motion and will apparently be very loud (we don't have our pool filled yet, and have not heard it go off)

3. We have a sliding glass door with locks out to a lanai (screened in patio); there is also a sliding screen door to the lanai that locks.

4. We screened in our lanai, and so there is an additional door that get locked (the lock is actually about 4 ft high), separating the lanai from the outdoors/pool.

The first people visiting us will have a toddler with them. Please let me know if there is anything else I should consider for when they are here visiting next month! I'm a first time pool owner, and really want to make sure we have our bases covered here.

Make sure that there is a designated person watching the pool when you have kids over, and isn't socializing with other people. Take turns. Looks like you've really thought this through, and of course, the toddler won't be in the pool alone.

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13 hours ago, front hugs > duggs said:

Our pool that is nearly finished has the following and passed inspection:

1. We have a fence around the perimeter of our property, full enclosing in our back yard.

2. We have an alarm in our pool that, in theory, detects the water motion and will apparently be very loud (we don't have our pool filled yet, and have not heard it go off)

3. We have a sliding glass door with locks out to a lanai (screened in patio); there is also a sliding screen door to the lanai that locks.

4. We screened in our lanai, and so there is an additional door that get locked (the lock is actually about 4 ft high), separating the lanai from the outdoors/pool.

The first people visiting us will have a toddler with them. Please let me know if there is anything else I should consider for when they are here visiting next month! I'm a first time pool owner, and really want to make sure we have our bases covered here.

You have a lanai? Are you In Hawai'i? If so Aloha e!

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In Australia, the pool fences have to be around the pool. Be regulated height, child proof locks, be council approved. And have a massive safety and resuscitation sign on display. 
 

to the poster that is asking about safety. Please just watch and be vigilant when socialising. Everyone assumes someone else is watching the kids. It used to be my pet hate when socialising that no one would closely watch their own kids and assumes everyone else is right to look after their kids. 

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Growing up, we had a pool with a basic aluminium fence like this:

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(our pool did not look that nice though!) that stuff is so common that if I see that kind of fence anywhere I refer to it as “pool fencing” even if there’s no water in sight. We had the same sort of gate with the latch that you had to pull up from the top (out of reach of kids) and had the option to lock it.

These days I either live in a richer area or the trends have changed because I see a lot more pools with glass fences like this:

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It’s upsetting to read that some of you have never seen fencing around pools. Where I live, everyone has a fence around their pool. Anyone I know personally who has a pool has a fence around it. Even driving along a country road, there is fencing around any in-ground pool is see.

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20 hours ago, SassyPants said:

The regulation at that time was the pool either needed to fenced or enclosed in a fenced yard. So, the protection was for those outside the yard.

A pool is considered an “attractive nuisance” and you would be sued if a neighbor child wandered over uninvited and drowned in your pool, so I think in the US it was at least initially an insurance issue, though maybe you would also be held criminally responsible too. The idea is that it would be hard for a neighbor kid to resist an unguarded pool. It’s in the nature of kids. 

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Growing up in California I rarely saw a pool fence. All yards are enclosed with a fence already. The first time I saw non-enclosed yards was when visiting other states, and it was only the enclosed yards that had in-ground pools.

We are first-time pool owners as of last year, and we have no pool fence. However we are in the process of changing the gate latch to a high-up pull string, and I am looking for an iron worker to build a fence on our patio that would block access from the house. We are also going to install safety locks on the patio doors, garage door, and front door so that when the baby becomes a toddler, she won’t be able to escape the house as long as they are all latched. But the patio fence will serve as a back up in case someone forgets to latch the patio doors.

I’ve told my husband that we can’t invite any body over with toddlers until we add these features.

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2 hours ago, Bastet said:

A pool is considered an “attractive nuisance” and you would be sued if a neighbor child wandered over uninvited and drowned in your pool, so I think in the US it was at least initially an insurance issue, though maybe you would also be held criminally responsible too. The idea is that it would be hard for a neighbor kid to resist an unguarded pool. It’s in the nature of kids. 

Also, the US is a very big and diverse country with individual states and counties setting regulations. In CA, a good percentage of homes have fenced yards, so pools would have barriers preventing access from outsiders. Of course that does nothing to protect children inside the yard. However, in other states,  fenced yards May be more rare. 

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I think there are some areas that allow for existing pools to be "grandfathered" in and only have to pay for higher homeowners insurance. New pools may have the mandate of the fence to be approved for building. (That's is speculation on my part. I don't know of any specific states where that is the case.)

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46 minutes ago, Pecansforeveryone said:

I think there are some areas that allow for existing pools to be "grandfathered" in and only have to pay for higher homeowners insurance. New pools may have the mandate of the fence to be approved for building. (That's is speculation on my part. I don't know of any specific states where that is the case.)

I think MA may be one. My parents put their pool on in the early 70s, and there wasn’t much of a law (if any) then. They have a wrought iron type enclosure that only comes up around waist level with a drop bar “lock”. A squirrel could probably open it. It’s grandfathered in, but if any serious changes were made building wise, they’d have to redo the whole fence. I’m not sure of specific rules, but it would definitely have to be much taller and with an actual lock on it. 

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9 hours ago, AnywhereButHere said:

I think MA may be one. My parents put their pool on in the early 70s, and there wasn’t much of a law (if any) then. They have a wrought iron type enclosure that only comes up around waist level with a drop bar “lock”. A squirrel could probably open it. It’s grandfathered in, but if any serious changes were made building wise, they’d have to redo the whole fence. I’m not sure of specific rules, but it would definitely have to be much taller and with an actual lock on it. 

We live in MA and my parents have a 6-foot privacy wooden stockade fence around their yard, which includes a small inground pool.  There is a locking mechanism on the wooden 6' gate leading into the yard, but it's nothing intricate or complicated.    

However, I have two neighbors with above-ground pools and neither one has any type of fencing at all-wooden, wire, wrought iron, vinyl- around their yards.  I don't know how they get away with it from a homeowners' insurance perspective, but they do.    

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