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It’s late in the day for me but yep, I’m 99.99% sure that’s what I heard. Liz says “prophet” but then corrects herself. HetselfESS

This is from the Houston Chronicle: Editorial: Gov. Abbott, if you won't lead on masks, get out of the way so school leaders can

I think you could argue that she didn't focus on their wellbeing until people were watching to see if she was focused on their wellbeing. While Toby seems like a scary dude, there was no evidence that he abused his wife. No evidence Josh did either. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if Toby did, but there's never been any evidence of it (there is evidence he hit his kids, though). I also think that if you walk into a police station and tell them your husband is raping his daughters, that man will be arrested and is no longer a threat. The children's honesty could easily be confirmed by a doctor. Honestly, if my daughter told me something like that, I'd pack up the kids and move to a hotel so my child wouldn't have to have one more night under the roof of her rapist. If I couldn't pay the hotel bill, oh well. Better than my kid being harmed. Since Brenda had over ten years of denial, I think one can excuse Anna's denial, since she only learned of the CSA charge a couple of years ago. Even if you include the earlier scandal, it hasn't been 10 years. I honestly think if (God forbid) one of Anna's daughters were being sexually assaulted by Josh, she would protect that child. Exactly. However, any mother who hears "Dad got into my bed while I was sleeping and took off his pajamas." is going to ask more questions. Brenda was a grown woman and knew what that could mean. Very few young children have the correct language, yet pedophiles are caught and convicted.

I agree that Harry’s friendship with his cousins probably developed after they were adults. I think quite a bit of it has to do with the women in Harry’s life being friends with the York sisters, though I didn’t keep track of exactly who was friends with whom.

A lot of people want their kids to have siblings, especially same-gender siblings.

I lived in Arizona at the time. It was always in the back of my mind but a real concerned I had for a couple of fantastic women I taught with who were of Hispanic origin, even though their families have been in the United States for generations. When I lived in Arizona if I were traveling at 5:00 or 6:00 in the morning I would be closely scrutinized at the border patrol checkpoints and I've had to show my ID before too. I do have brown hair and brown eyes but my ethnicity is almost entirely German, without any Hispanic contribution. It always creeped me out a little when they stopped me and it really makes me feel empathy for the ethnic groups they get pulled over all too regularly.

I believe there was some talk on here several threads ago suggesting Erin Shamblin, Michael's wife, was someone of high regard for taking a senior role in leadership at minimum upon Gwen stepping down / passing on. Interesting regardless that she seems, based on comments, to be having no prominent role now.

Wasn’t the scammer who set up a fake registry for an earlier Duggar wedding also in Florida? Not sure if it could be the same person.

Oh I know, but when we looked we struggled to find "official" statements on it... They even challenged us to find a video or writing of her calling herself a prophet. In the end we found SO MANY instances that, IMHO, we had proof that it was a widespread belief, but they seem to be careful with what they post and write publicly. Then they tried to turn it around and redefine "prophet," at which point I was just exhausted.

Yes, but I don’t believe they live in Ft Myers. They like to go to the beach and they always go to the New Smyrna Beach. Which isn’t close to Ft Myers at all. I Am guessing they must live somewhat close to New Smyrna.

I pray RF fails. Maybe some of the members will find freedom from the legalism taught there.

Yes, Andrew & Kori!

Awww, doesn't like to get up on stage and sing for her millions. The poor thing. Gag.

Eventually, we'll just get: "OK 🧑‍🤝‍🧑, the Hawkins family will be 🚙 to OH today. We will put up the ⛺ at Grace Baptist ⛪. Come and 🙏 with us. We need to 🏋️‍♂️ up ✝️. We need to save souls."

Doesn’t he have a brother and sister in law in Florida?

I don't want to continue clogging up the main governor's thread for those who have no interest in Abbott's shenanigans. New order strips local officials' ability to set capacity limits amid high hospitalizations, stresses 'personal responsibility'

I think there are some misconceptions about the Willis case. First, the sexual abuse did start when they were young, but Jessica mentions that the latest assault happened to her when she was 17. It clearly was not a one time thing. It is also clear from what she said about her experience reporting it is that her father seems to have a history of making violent threats and had been physically abusive. The law enforcement team investigating this told her to cut of contact to her family in case she triggered something that caused her dad to react violently. They were very careful to arrest him at a time when they could get him away from the family. There is a lot of evidence that the most dangerous time for victims of abuse is when they leave their abuser, not before. Depending on what he had threatened before, Brenda may have feared that he would kill her and the kids if she tried to leave. We do not know of there being a similar case with the Duggars. The other important distinction is both Brenda and Anna's behaviour AFTER the arrests. Brenda stopped all publicity and worked to focus on her children's wellbeing, including fully cooperating with law enforcement. Her children have also all made statements of wanting nothing to do with their father and it seems that no one has visited him since he went to prison. Anna seems to be in complete denial and continues to want her children to be around Josh. If she didn't she could start proceedings in family court to change this.

I am beginning to suspect he finds himself unable to spell ⛺

This might be a good time to remind everyone that Cruz's freshman college roommate once said, "Ted Cruz will become the thing that you need him to be so that he wins an election. No principles, no moral center, no values. Just ambition." He also said that Cruz had always wanted to be president because Cruz's dad told him that that's what Jesus really, really wanted to happen. He's a whole lot of crazy and he will pander to anyone to stay in office.

GQP a-hole Clyde has found a way to weasel out of fines. I hope Democrat leadership can find a way to close his loophole, because you know all the Repugs will follow suit.

I read somewhere that lack of mask compliance in the House will lead to "refusal of entry and/or a fine." I say forget that wimpy approach -- it needs to be a three-pronged (and all three) response. 1) refusal of entry -- that's basic public health hygiene 2) fined, because some people only notice their wallet AS WELL AS 3) not permitted to cast any votes for 24 hours following each attempt to enter w/o being properly masked. And this should also apply to anyone who masks to get in and then repeatedly takes theirs off or lets it slip down or "forgets" to put it back after drinking water etc. Yes it's about public health but it's also about agreeing to follow house rules when in the house. They have dress codes, protocols for speaking, presumably rules about food, weapons, guests, etc. They agree to abide by those rules whether they like them or not. This is certainly not less important than those. SMDH

I don’t hold them to a different standard. I have sympathy for Anna too, and while I still HOPE she will find the strength to leave, I can understand why she might not be able to. I’m currently reading “See What You Made Me Do” by Jess Hill, which is an excellent and highly researched book about power, coercive control and domestic abuse - I believe there are now UK and US editions of it and I highly recommend if you can get your hands on a copy. It delves in to a lot of the abuse that Anna would be experiencing, why women stay, why men continue to abuse them, and what needs to be done in the broader system and society to change things. And to be clear, when I say “abuse” here I am not speculating that Josh beat Anna, I’m speaking about the kind of abuse that we know fundie women experience, where they are isolated and broken and financially controlled, expected to provide sex on tap, meet impossible standards, and blamed for everything. Anna has a responsibility to get her children out, but Josh also has a responsibility to not be a disgusting piece of shit and unworthy father, and him failing to meet that responsibility is a far bigger failure than Anna’s.

To answer Ted's question, yes. The Executive Branch of the Federal Government from Jan 20 2017 beginning at 12:00 pm to Jan 20 2021 at 11:59 am 59 seconds