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    Bill Gothard is the head of IBLP and ATI. IBLP is a ministry that teaches that children can never leave home till they are married, that married men are still under the authority of their fathers, women can't work outside the home, adoption is bad, mental illness doesn't exist, circumcision is great, rock music is like crack, and a whole bunch of other crazy stuff.

     

    ATI is the homeschooling section of IBLP where education is through Wisdom Booklets and the Bible.

  • The Institute for Basic Life Principles(IBLP) was founded in 1961 by Bill Gothard under the name Campus Teams. In 1974 the name was changed to The Institute for Basic Youth Conflicts to go along with Gothard's Basic Seminar. In 1989, since the organization had moved beyond just dealing with teen conflicts, the name was changed again to The Institute for Basic Life Principles.

     

    The Basic Seminar, a week long event that focuses on Gothard's seven basic life principles, is the core of IBLP. In the past it was required that one attended a Basic Seminar before being allowed to attend any other IBLP attivities, but it appears that this in no longer the case

    Basic Seminar - iblp.org/seminars-conferences/basic-seminar/basic-life-principles

     

    The Advanced Seminar Gothard uses his seven principles to show how to have a successful marriage, family, life and finances. This seminar still requires attendence to the Basic Seminar before attending this one. It should be noted that Gothard has never personally used his principles to have a successful family or marriage.

     

    There are a wide range of seminars offered by IBLP:

    iblp.org/seminars

     

    IBLP has a variety of programs for families ranging from a homeschooling curriculum(ATI) to a Christ centered, long distance college(TELOS). In the past Gothard spoke strongly against college of any form and encouraged youth to instead look for an internship program.

    iblp.org/programs, but has changed his mind and now encourages teens to enroll in his colleges.

     

    Training Centers:

     

    IBLP set up training centers all over the world. Teens as young as 14 who are enrolled in ATI can pay to work at these training centers. They often stay for months without going home. Students(even adult ones) are not allowed any privacy at the training centers. Phone calls home are monitored and letters/emails are often open and read before being mailed out or being given to the students. Television, radio, most magazines, and any music with a beat are banned at the training centers. Men and women are not allowed to associate unless heavily supervised. All of these rules apply to adults who are volunteering at the training centers too. There have been a great deal of accusations of abuse and corruption from former students who lived at the training centers. IBLP has not addressed any of these accusations.

    http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2013/01/ ... llage-mtc/

    http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2012/01/ ... status-quo

     

    Character First!:

     

    Though not officially a part of IBLP, Character First! is a character program created by one of the IBLP board of directors and a close friend of Gothard. It is based around Gothard's 49 character qualities. The offices for CF! were originally in an IBLP training center and the program was taught in public schools by ATI students. Recently, though, the program has tried to distance itself from IBLP. It is still used in some public school systems to teach character.

    characterfirst.com/aboutus/character-first-and-iblp/

     

    Children's Institute:

     

    These are sessions for children that are held during the Basic and Advanced seminars. It is a presentation of the the principles taught in the Basic Seminar in a way that children can explain. There are skits, crafts, stories and songs.

    ALERT:

     

    The Air, Land, Emergency Resource Team(ALERT) is an army like group that trains men ages 17 and up to meet the needs of people in need. ATI students can join without having a highschool diploma. Non-ATI students are allow to join but they do have to have completed highschool. The application for ALERT demands not only two recent pictures but also a family picture. They must also agree to not listen to new age, elevator(?!), modern era symponic, insistent rhythm, back-beat country/western, modern a cappella, rock, jazz, rap or post-modern music.

    The ALERT application:

    alertacademy.com/alert/pdf/alert-application.pdf

     

    IBLP claims that ALERT has been asked by governments all over the world to assist during disasters.

     

    Umbrella of Protection:

     

    A key part of the teachings of IBLP is the Umbrella of Protection. It is taught that fathers are under the protection of Christ, mothers are under the protection of their husbands and children are under the protection of the mother/father. As long as everyone stays under their umbrella nothing will go wrong. Rebellion and leaving the protection of the umbrella is said to be witch craft. Female children stay under the umbrella of their parents until they marry and then they are under the protection of their husband. Male children, even after they marry and move out(adult children should live at home until marriage) will still be under the authority of their father.

    Here is a blog that has a picture of the Umbrella of Protection. This is used in many of the teachings of IBLP:

     

    thatmom.com/2012/07/30/does-it-matter-what-we-believe-about-complementarianism/comment-page-

  • Cabbage Patch Kids:

     

    In 1986 IBLP, during Basic Seminars began to teach that the very popular Cabbage Patch dolls were causing children to behave in strange and destructive ways. The dolls were said to violate the first Commandment because children sign a piece of paper saying they will love and take care of the dolls. It was not enough to just throw the dolls away, they needed to be burned. He had stories of parents who saw a complete change in how their children behaved when CP dolls were brought in the house and the children went back to normal behaviour after the dolls were destroyed. In 1996, IBLP sent out a medical newsletter that said that Christian midwives found that having CP dolls and troll dolls in a house caused a mother have a difficult delivery. Destroying these items speeded up the delivery.

    pfo.org/bgothard.htm

     

    Rock Music:

     

    Any sort of music with a back beat is banned by IBLP. In the book "How to Conquer the Addiction to Rock Music" rock music is said to be more addicting than crack( :roll: ). IBLP teaches that plants will die if exposed to rock music. It is taught that rock music is inherently evil so by listening to it you are opening your mind to being evil. The consequences of listening to rock music(note that the word "music" is inserted into Bible verse that have nothing to do with music and then used as "proof" that the Bible says rock music is bad):

    http://www.recoveringgrace.org/media/Rock-Music.jpg

     

    A Matter of Basic Principles:

     

    In 2002 a book(A Matter of Basic Principles) criticizing Gothard and IBLP was published. It goes into detail about a scandal that occured in the 1970's in which Gothard's brother(who was vice president of IBLP at that time)admitted to sexual misconduct with several female staff. The book tells how Gothard not only chose to ignore this, but he tried to keep anyone else from bringing it to light. It did eventually come out around 1980 and his brother resigned as VP. Gothard himself at this time admitted to having "moral failures" with some of his female staff. It also has stories from former staff members about how IBLP refused to follow building saftey codes and attempted to threaten anyone who stood up to force them to fix the building problems.

    http://www.amazon.com/Matter-Basic-Prin ... 0974252808

    http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2012/03/ ... -a-review/

     

    Medical Training Institute of America(MTIA):

     

    MTIA is the part of IBLP that dispenses medical advice.

    Mental illnesses are said to be caused by being irresponsible.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4gieCr-YRk

    What can be the result of following IBLP's teachings on mental illness:

    http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2011/11/ ... y-murders/

    Women are to "claim" a verse to say over and over during labor to make sure she doesn't end up with a c-section.

    If a woman has been told by a doctor that another pregnancy would kill her the advice is:

    "God wants to give a child to a couple, He is also able [to] give the level of health in the mother and the child that will bring the greatest glory to Him.â€3 Second, he says that “God has not given us a spirit of fear. Therefore, fear is from Satan and not from God. . . . If we make medical decisions based on the fear of what a doctor has predicted, we are in danger of overlooking the clear counsel of God and allowing the deceiver to gain a dangerous foothold"

    midwestoutreach.org/journals/mystical_approach.htm

    Circumcision is strongly pushed by IBLP:

    billgothard.com/news/circumcision

    IBLP also teaches: "uncircumcised men have, as a group, been more promiscuous than circumcised men"

     

    Advanced Training Institute(ATI):

     

    ATI is the homeschool part of IBLP. The application to join ATI is very detailed and if a parent is divorced or separated from another parent they must make a committment to try and rebuild the marriage. Families must agree to limit the amount of television/video/internet time. Members are strongly encouraged to get rid of the television all together. They must agree to only listen to music approved by IBLP. A family picture must be included and individual pictures of all children older than 14 must be submitted. No non-immediate family members are allowed to live in the home of a family enrolled in ATI. Any adopted children must be labeled as adopted so that the ATI staff can be prepared for the "unique pressures" adopted children bring to a family. Mothers cannot work outside the home. Membership costs $675 a year plus a $25 application fee.

    The Bible is the main textbook of ATI and Wisdom Booklets are the curriculum. There are 54 Wisdom Booklets. The main teaching method of these booklets is relating academic facts to biblical principles. Sample of a Wisdom Booklet:

    ati.iblp.org/ati/about/curriculum/wisdombooklets/

     

    Adoption:

     

    Adoption is said to be a modern concept:

    "It is significant that our modern concept of adoption in unknown to the Law which God gave to Israel.†IBLP warns against adoption because it also teaches that a child inherits the sins of his father, so an adopted child is bringing sin into the home.

    "Causes of Conflicts — Adopted children are affected by the sins of their natural parents, and these sins are usually very severe.â€

    pfo.org/evol-fad.htm

    Families that do adopted need to try and discover the sins of the adopted child's parents so they will be prepared to deal with them and to teach the child to deal with these sins.

     

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    • MaryOrMartha

      Posted

      9 hours ago, SassyPants said:

      True story. Back in the 70s, the NICU  I later worked in used to dispense whiskey nipples to all the babies who could tolerate such, at bedtime each evening. By the time I started working there in the early 80s and after research contraindicated the practice, it stopped. All the older time nurses would lament the passing of the practice when we couldn’t get the babies settled at night. 

      Wow, I did not realise it was also used in professional settings! I know my grandma's used it on my parents and their siblings, and recommended it for their children. Even now as my youngest is teething up a storm my grandmother is *still* suggesting a rub of whiskey on her gums for relief.

    • SayonaraLara

      Posted

      2 hours ago, Jb003 said:

      Does anyone know when and why Tedd Anger stepped down as Gwen's right hand man?

      Don’t know. Did he step down or was he removed from that position? I’ve not seen a truly concrete explanation.

      It was after Joe was in the picture. Maybe Gwen didn’t need him in that role, as she was grooming her groom for it. Maybe, and I suspect this might be more accurate, she couldn’t afford him in that role anymore after her costly divorce. Maybe there was some kind of more juicy falling out — after all, the Angers and Days all were dropped from leadership at the same time (the Bakers were too, but they’re back in).

      But … they’re still church members, so it couldn’t have been that bad?

       

    • ifosterkittens

      Posted

      3 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

      You have to wonder what (if anything) Anna is saying privately to Josh.  (Is she saying, “Take it to court, you are not guilty and should trust that the truth will prevail,” or is she saying, “Your lawyers know what they are talking about, and even if you are innocent, my husband, you should plead, so you can come back sooner to your family,” or is she saying something along the lines of, “I can’t believe Satan got you again.  I am praying for you,” and not having an opinion?

      First, I imagine Anna wondered what her (perceived) role in Josh's actions might have been. So often it seems in this culture if the husband has an affair it is partly the wife's fault because she didn't make her husband feel wanted/loved/desired, and wasn't as available as he desired. After Josh's involvement with Ashley Madison came to light I wonder if Anna tried to be more available, make Josh feel more wanted/loved/desired. Clearly there were porn concerns (I'm guessing/hoping they just felt it was adult porn, not CSAM) because Josh had the Covenant Eye's program with Anna as his accountability partner, so I would think Anna would try even harder to be available to Josh so he wouldn't be tempted to view porn.

      I imagine Anna is replaying the times she got a little snippy with Josh, or pretended to (or on purpose) fell asleep with the kids while putting them to bed so she didn't have to go to bed with Josh, or made a meal he didn't really like just because she had enough of his crap. She may be wondering what she could have done differently to prevent Josh from viewing online content. 

      As for Anna's input I would not be surprised is Jim Bob and Michelle made it clear it is not her decision, and they aren't looking for her input. Michelle may have more of the one on one conversations saying we are paying for the attorneys, Jim Bob is praying on the topic and when the Lord tells him how to proceed we will let you know. I imagine Michelle has said if Josh goes to prison you will need us to support you, and we will if you tow the line. Michelle would probably add a lot more Jesus and bible, but the point would be crystal clear, keep your mouth shut. 

      I also wouldn't be surprised if Anna found Josh's actions despicable, but not worthy of criminal scrutiny. If Anna feels CSAM and adult porn are the same in level of sin she may feel her husband is being unjustly targeted for his Christian beliefs. If she feels CSAM and porn are the same she knows plenty of adults view porn and no one is arresting them, ruining their lives. She may concede CSAM is worse, but may feel he was "only" looking at it online, and can get help with rehab, more levels of internet protection, etc. I also wouldn't be surprised if she thinks yes he is guilty of the crimes he is accused of, but he was only found out because is a vocal Christian conservative. 

      By no means am I trying to equate an affair and CSAM, or CSAM and porn. I do wonder if Anna feels they are equal. 

    • Black Aliss

      Posted (edited)

      10 hours ago, thoughtful said:

      But sometimes I think "People, that was an hour of near-constant nonsense! It was  mostly just babbling - how can you want that?"

      Maybe people come to see him for the entertainment value. I mean, his schtick is a curious admixture of Jonathan Edwards (Sinners in the hands of an angry God), Robin Williams at his most manic, and Don Rickles. 

      ETA: also a dash of Henny Youngman

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    • thoughtful

      Posted (edited)

      On 9/30, after his scary lecture to someone who he thought might not have been totally entranced by his What Would You Do With Jesus message, Gary read Genesis 5:24 - And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

      "Ahwanna ask ya a question. Enoch took it serious, an' said hey ah believe the for mah children's sake because if you read the whole story there read the whole chapter maybe ya oughta go home an' do that amen? Won't hurtchu to read a chapter of the Bahble today ah read uh 27 today. That make ya say wha? Ah wanna know more about Jesus. Ah didn't just say it, ah put actions on it, amen? You say 'Yeah but you're a preacher, you don't have nothin' else t'do.'"

      He stops for a weird and rather evil-looking smirk and some congregants laugh:

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      Can't you just imagine him explaining to James Bond how the incredibly slow, torturous killing apparatus will work?

      "You'd be surprahsed. Ah'll tell ya what - bein' that you don't think ah do nothin' else, ah invite you to Miss Stout's house at ten o'clock in the mornin' an' come an' help me load mah stuff up. You'll fahnd out how hard ah work, amen? But walkin' with God. That's an important thing in your life, amen?"

      Oh, I guess we're back to Enoch. He never did ask them a question - guess that was just one of Gary's verbal farts.

      He says there are people today that can walk the walk, but can't talk the talk, and then corrects himself (I wonder if Becky gives him a "flip it around the other way" signal of some sort at those moments).

      He says he doesn't know anything about being in the Army, because he never was, but he's been learning over the last few days - it sounds like he's been having or overhearing conversations with a woman who serves in the Army, who is there in church. He says "she's the leader," and uses her as an example of needing to keep people "walking within the line."

      Well, he was able to acknowledge a woman in the armed forces, and being in charge of others, with no sarcastic comments (so far). Practically miraculous, for Gary.

      He says they have to do the same thing for "the Lord Jesus Crah." He talks about how he didn't like "the footprint" because he didn't understand it, but now he does.

      Reminding them they have to take every opportunity to talk about Jesus, Gary says he's:

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      Aw, Gary names his hats! Isn't that cute?

      Now I want to name my clothes! How about a pair of socks called Fred and Ginger? Ah, but how could I tell which is which? Better do that with a pair of shoes, instead.

      After yelling at them (or maybe just that one person he got pissed off at before - hard to tell) about reading the Bible for a while, he starts in on how the mysterious "they" are going to take away all the Bibles someday.

      He brings up how "they were tryin' to git rid of Dr. Seuss." "What that is is they gotta git you inbrained an' they gotta git you instilled an' they gotta git you sold out for the news media, amen, an' believin' what they're sayin' an' they kin take the Dr. Seusses an' then they come gitcher King James Bahble. If you've got an NIV they prob'ly won't mess withya ya say wha? Heh - there ain't much in there about God amen."

      I love that "ingrained" has turned into "inbrained." It's one of those semi-logical malapropisms.

      Gary does his usual crap about his love affair with the KJV, and admits he doesn't understand all of it. But he seems to have an odd idea of what that means.

      He's "fixin' t'go through Chronicles" next week, "an'  ah'm gonna say 'Joe,' an' 'Bob,' an' 'Sue,' an' th'rest of 'em, ya say wha? Ah'm not gon' be able t'pronounce all them names."

      Gary says he's "not makin' fun" or "makin' laht." But then makes his joke about being thankful his Momma didn't know all of those names when she named him.

      So, not being able to pronounce the names in Chronicles is the only way in which you think you don't understand the Bible, Gary?

      I grant, Chronicles has some long lists of names - I don't think most of them are difficult, but I'm a word nerd and a musician who loves to mimic sounds, and have had the sounds of the original Hebrew that the transliteration is supposed to represent in my head for over 60 years. So I can only try imagine how they look to someone who only knows English, and then to someone who barely reads English, like Gary.

      They might be hard, but why read them at all? When it comes to using the Bible as a guide for life, morality or anything important, all of those name lists in Chronicles are useless. Tom Lehrer's Elements, various Cole Porter and Stephen Sondheim songs, Tchaikovsky, that little Mozart ditty about all of the women Don G. has shtupped, and many other catalog songs are much more entertaining, and some are useful!

      Gary, skip the lists of names altogether, unless you really need to know who begat who for some reason.

      Well, looking those songs up was a fun distraction from Gary - let's see what he said next.

      Oh, just more about the KJV, then "Go t'Proverbs chapter fahve. No, Proverbs chapter three."

      I'll meet you there later, Gary. First I need to listen to I Can't Get Started.

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