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  • Summary provided by: formergothardite

     

    Bill Gothard is the head of IBLP and ATI. IBLP is a ministry that teaches that children can never leave home till they are married, that married men are still under the authority of their fathers, women can't work outside the home, adoption is bad, mental illness doesn't exist, circumcision is great, rock music is like crack, and a whole bunch of other crazy stuff.

     

    ATI is the homeschooling section of IBLP where education is through Wisdom Booklets and the Bible.

  • The Institute for Basic Life Principles(IBLP) was founded in 1961 by Bill Gothard under the name Campus Teams. In 1974 the name was changed to The Institute for Basic Youth Conflicts to go along with Gothard's Basic Seminar. In 1989, since the organization had moved beyond just dealing with teen conflicts, the name was changed again to The Institute for Basic Life Principles.

     

    The Basic Seminar, a week long event that focuses on Gothard's seven basic life principles, is the core of IBLP. In the past it was required that one attended a Basic Seminar before being allowed to attend any other IBLP attivities, but it appears that this in no longer the case

    Basic Seminar - iblp.org/seminars-conferences/basic-seminar/basic-life-principles

     

    The Advanced Seminar Gothard uses his seven principles to show how to have a successful marriage, family, life and finances. This seminar still requires attendence to the Basic Seminar before attending this one. It should be noted that Gothard has never personally used his principles to have a successful family or marriage.

     

    There are a wide range of seminars offered by IBLP:

    iblp.org/seminars

     

    IBLP has a variety of programs for families ranging from a homeschooling curriculum(ATI) to a Christ centered, long distance college(TELOS). In the past Gothard spoke strongly against college of any form and encouraged youth to instead look for an internship program.

    iblp.org/programs, but has changed his mind and now encourages teens to enroll in his colleges.

     

    Training Centers:

     

    IBLP set up training centers all over the world. Teens as young as 14 who are enrolled in ATI can pay to work at these training centers. They often stay for months without going home. Students(even adult ones) are not allowed any privacy at the training centers. Phone calls home are monitored and letters/emails are often open and read before being mailed out or being given to the students. Television, radio, most magazines, and any music with a beat are banned at the training centers. Men and women are not allowed to associate unless heavily supervised. All of these rules apply to adults who are volunteering at the training centers too. There have been a great deal of accusations of abuse and corruption from former students who lived at the training centers. IBLP has not addressed any of these accusations.

    http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2013/01/ ... llage-mtc/

    http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2012/01/ ... status-quo

     

    Character First!:

     

    Though not officially a part of IBLP, Character First! is a character program created by one of the IBLP board of directors and a close friend of Gothard. It is based around Gothard's 49 character qualities. The offices for CF! were originally in an IBLP training center and the program was taught in public schools by ATI students. Recently, though, the program has tried to distance itself from IBLP. It is still used in some public school systems to teach character.

    characterfirst.com/aboutus/character-first-and-iblp/

     

    Children's Institute:

     

    These are sessions for children that are held during the Basic and Advanced seminars. It is a presentation of the the principles taught in the Basic Seminar in a way that children can explain. There are skits, crafts, stories and songs.

    ALERT:

     

    The Air, Land, Emergency Resource Team(ALERT) is an army like group that trains men ages 17 and up to meet the needs of people in need. ATI students can join without having a highschool diploma. Non-ATI students are allow to join but they do have to have completed highschool. The application for ALERT demands not only two recent pictures but also a family picture. They must also agree to not listen to new age, elevator(?!), modern era symponic, insistent rhythm, back-beat country/western, modern a cappella, rock, jazz, rap or post-modern music.

    The ALERT application:

    alertacademy.com/alert/pdf/alert-application.pdf

     

    IBLP claims that ALERT has been asked by governments all over the world to assist during disasters.

     

    Umbrella of Protection:

     

    A key part of the teachings of IBLP is the Umbrella of Protection. It is taught that fathers are under the protection of Christ, mothers are under the protection of their husbands and children are under the protection of the mother/father. As long as everyone stays under their umbrella nothing will go wrong. Rebellion and leaving the protection of the umbrella is said to be witch craft. Female children stay under the umbrella of their parents until they marry and then they are under the protection of their husband. Male children, even after they marry and move out(adult children should live at home until marriage) will still be under the authority of their father.

    Here is a blog that has a picture of the Umbrella of Protection. This is used in many of the teachings of IBLP:

     

    thatmom.com/2012/07/30/does-it-matter-what-we-believe-about-complementarianism/comment-page-

  • Cabbage Patch Kids:

     

    In 1986 IBLP, during Basic Seminars began to teach that the very popular Cabbage Patch dolls were causing children to behave in strange and destructive ways. The dolls were said to violate the first Commandment because children sign a piece of paper saying they will love and take care of the dolls. It was not enough to just throw the dolls away, they needed to be burned. He had stories of parents who saw a complete change in how their children behaved when CP dolls were brought in the house and the children went back to normal behaviour after the dolls were destroyed. In 1996, IBLP sent out a medical newsletter that said that Christian midwives found that having CP dolls and troll dolls in a house caused a mother have a difficult delivery. Destroying these items speeded up the delivery.

    pfo.org/bgothard.htm

     

    Rock Music:

     

    Any sort of music with a back beat is banned by IBLP. In the book "How to Conquer the Addiction to Rock Music" rock music is said to be more addicting than crack( :roll: ). IBLP teaches that plants will die if exposed to rock music. It is taught that rock music is inherently evil so by listening to it you are opening your mind to being evil. The consequences of listening to rock music(note that the word "music" is inserted into Bible verse that have nothing to do with music and then used as "proof" that the Bible says rock music is bad):

    http://www.recoveringgrace.org/media/Rock-Music.jpg

     

    A Matter of Basic Principles:

     

    In 2002 a book(A Matter of Basic Principles) criticizing Gothard and IBLP was published. It goes into detail about a scandal that occured in the 1970's in which Gothard's brother(who was vice president of IBLP at that time)admitted to sexual misconduct with several female staff. The book tells how Gothard not only chose to ignore this, but he tried to keep anyone else from bringing it to light. It did eventually come out around 1980 and his brother resigned as VP. Gothard himself at this time admitted to having "moral failures" with some of his female staff. It also has stories from former staff members about how IBLP refused to follow building saftey codes and attempted to threaten anyone who stood up to force them to fix the building problems.

    http://www.amazon.com/Matter-Basic-Prin ... 0974252808

    http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2012/03/ ... -a-review/

     

    Medical Training Institute of America(MTIA):

     

    MTIA is the part of IBLP that dispenses medical advice.

    Mental illnesses are said to be caused by being irresponsible.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4gieCr-YRk

    What can be the result of following IBLP's teachings on mental illness:

    http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2011/11/ ... y-murders/

    Women are to "claim" a verse to say over and over during labor to make sure she doesn't end up with a c-section.

    If a woman has been told by a doctor that another pregnancy would kill her the advice is:

    "God wants to give a child to a couple, He is also able [to] give the level of health in the mother and the child that will bring the greatest glory to Him.â€3 Second, he says that “God has not given us a spirit of fear. Therefore, fear is from Satan and not from God. . . . If we make medical decisions based on the fear of what a doctor has predicted, we are in danger of overlooking the clear counsel of God and allowing the deceiver to gain a dangerous foothold"

    midwestoutreach.org/journals/mystical_approach.htm

    Circumcision is strongly pushed by IBLP:

    billgothard.com/news/circumcision

    IBLP also teaches: "uncircumcised men have, as a group, been more promiscuous than circumcised men"

     

    Advanced Training Institute(ATI):

     

    ATI is the homeschool part of IBLP. The application to join ATI is very detailed and if a parent is divorced or separated from another parent they must make a committment to try and rebuild the marriage. Families must agree to limit the amount of television/video/internet time. Members are strongly encouraged to get rid of the television all together. They must agree to only listen to music approved by IBLP. A family picture must be included and individual pictures of all children older than 14 must be submitted. No non-immediate family members are allowed to live in the home of a family enrolled in ATI. Any adopted children must be labeled as adopted so that the ATI staff can be prepared for the "unique pressures" adopted children bring to a family. Mothers cannot work outside the home. Membership costs $675 a year plus a $25 application fee.

    The Bible is the main textbook of ATI and Wisdom Booklets are the curriculum. There are 54 Wisdom Booklets. The main teaching method of these booklets is relating academic facts to biblical principles. Sample of a Wisdom Booklet:

    ati.iblp.org/ati/about/curriculum/wisdombooklets/

     

    Adoption:

     

    Adoption is said to be a modern concept:

    "It is significant that our modern concept of adoption in unknown to the Law which God gave to Israel.†IBLP warns against adoption because it also teaches that a child inherits the sins of his father, so an adopted child is bringing sin into the home.

    "Causes of Conflicts — Adopted children are affected by the sins of their natural parents, and these sins are usually very severe.â€

    pfo.org/evol-fad.htm

    Families that do adopted need to try and discover the sins of the adopted child's parents so they will be prepared to deal with them and to teach the child to deal with these sins.

     

    Free Jinger's IBLP/ATI Discussions

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    • 54 minutes ago, Xan said:

      Sadly, this is every cult.  I'm reading a book about the Word of Faith Fellowship in NC and it's the same.  The church members work for each other and live around each other.  Everything is so interwoven that it's hard to break free.  People who have tried to leave find they end up with nothing -- no family support, no friends, no job.  I'm beginning to think the only way to eradicate the cults is to start from the top down.  If you expose and bring down the leaders, the flock will be able to leave.

      I agree that this is how all cults are. The comparisons we've found between RF and JW, Mormons, even Christian Science, are insane! 

      But I'll be honest, I don't know if your going to eradicate this one from the top down. I hope so... Desperately hope so... But the defence of their Gwod in the face of clear evidence makes me think it would take a huge, massive scandle to maybe break it down. And I mean massive, because a couple even killed their child and that wasn't enough.

    • Mama Mia

      Posted

      On 2/19/2020 at 5:32 AM, Rachel333 said:

      Oh boy. When I get home and have more time I will be happy to compile a bunch more examples of Bernie supporters being toxic (it's very, very easy to find examples), but to start with, how about the incidents that Elizabeth Warren was talking about? The leaders of the culinary union were deluged with threatening messages from Sanders supporters, all because they had the audacity to say that they didn't like Sanders's plan to eliminate the type of healthcare the union currently has. It was so bad that Sanders himself finally had to say something about it.

      Bloomberg's recent ad also featured a bunch of examples. I still hate Bloomberg but I'm glad he's addressing it.

       

      Bernie supporters have been downright abusive to anyone who has even mild criticism of Sanders. I've seen several female journalists say that a lot of people avoid publicly criticizing Sanders because if they do they will get a ton of nasty comments, including very misogynistic comments if the target is a woman.

      It's real. I've seen it, and I'm tired of Bernie supporters claiming it doesn't happen when people talk about what they've experienced online. Of course every campaign is going to have some awful people among its supporters, but no other Democratic candidate has the type of problem the Sanders campaign has.

       

      I've seen even the most anti-Sanders Democrats repeatedly saying that they will hold their nose and vote for Sanders if it comes down to it. Talking about the problems with Bernie and his plans is what is supposed to happen in the primary, and doesn't mean people won't vote for him in the general.

       

      A poll from January showed that Sanders supporters were much less likely than other candidates' supporters to say they would vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who it was. Only Yang's supporters were less likely, which makes sense because he attracted a fair amount of Republicans. (And none of Buttigieg and Warren supporters said no to the question!)

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      I saw the John Oliver segment. I like John Oliver, but it wasn't very good. He said he was ignoring the cost and politics of MFA, when that's hugely important. Every Democratic nominee wants universal healthcare, but they have realistic plans to transition from our current system. The fact is that with our current political system MFA just isn't going to get passed right away. Even AOC admitted that the other day. I'm so sick of and disgusted with the Sanders supporters who say that anyone who doesn't support Sanders's plan (which isn't even much of a plan--he certainly doesn't have a realistic way to get it implemented) wants poor people to die. I've seen that argument over and over and it is so disingenuous. I think someone with a realistic plan to improve our current system, even if we don't go straight to MFA, will help poor people much more than Sanders will if he refuses to compromise.

       

      On another note, Sanders has often been pretty misleading about his plan. For example, not a single country he listed in a recent tweet actually has the kind of plan he wants (and if he's talking about universal healthcare alone, every other Democrat has a plan for that as well). Someone went through them here:

        

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      I also think Bernie's supporters have done a lot of damage in demonizing all the other candidates and claiming that they're basically Republicans. I saw someone the other day claim that Biden, Warren, and Biden were "far right," which is laughable. They all have very progressive platforms that are to the left of any previous Democratic candidate. The thing is, now we do have a candidate, Bloomberg, who really is terrible and was an actual Republican extremely recently, but so many Sanders supporters have been using that attack against everyone else in the race.

      I will absolutely vote for him if he's the nominee and I don't think he's evil, but I do think Bernie would be a terrible candidate and an ineffective president. I was a big Sanders supporter in 2016, but I realized I fell for a cult of personality, and the more I've learned about Bernie in the years since the less I want him as the nominee.

      Just need to say as a strong Bernie supporter since 2016 I have been insulted horrendously on-line by various folks - some Trumpians, but mostly Clinton supporters in the last election, and various other Dem candidate supporters in this one, Mostly on twitter , but also Facebook and commenting on articles. Just off the top of my head:

      ”wetback” , “You/ your family should be deported” “you’re too dumb to know he’s racist” “swim back to where you came from” “ you Mexicans are too stupid to know who will help you” - countless other racist ones- stopped using my last name eventually to avoid those.

      ”dumb c*nt”, “internalized misogyny” “ dried up old hag” “ need to up your estrogen” “f*ing wh*re” “need to get laid” , actual dick pics ....and on and on and on and on.

      In addition to the racist and sexist - dozens of just general insults. 

      Everyone who is politically active online gets harassed sometimes- because there are a**holes everywhere.Some Bernie supporters can be awful, absolutely, but to represent it as just his supporters is ridiculous. 

      Also FYI, some of those Bloomberg tweets showing the horrible Bernie folks were edited, and some were proven to be from Trump or Warren supporters. 

       

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    • Dandruff

      Posted

      3 hours ago, NancyDrewFan1989 said:

      It seems very strange that they have not addressed the status of their relationships, yet.

      They went silent, which could mean a change of status or the realization that they were being discussed online.  If it's the latter, and they'd prefer to not be discussed on a snark site, then I wouldn't expect them to announce updates.

      My guess is they're all getting married as originally planned.

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    • Xan

      Posted

      1 hour ago, Blue said:

      So the thought of leaving is terrifying... you can't admit that you're in a cult or admit that she's conning you because that means loosing everything. So many of them either work directly for Exodus Industries or they work for RF members or someone in RF was fully instrumental in getting them their job... so what happens if you leave? You loose your job. They seem to try to marry new members to members in established families (though if I'm wrong, former RFers, please correct me, that just seems to be a pattern) so now if you leave, your spouse isn't coming with you. Your kids' lives will be turned upside down because every relationship they've made has been within the group, and that's assuming your spouse DOES decide to leave with you. Big decisions are suddenly suffocating because you have to make them totally on your own (or maybe that's freeing, depending on your personality I guess). 

      Sadly, this is every cult.  I'm reading a book about the Word of Faith Fellowship in NC and it's the same.  The church members work for each other and live around each other.  Everything is so interwoven that it's hard to break free.  People who have tried to leave find they end up with nothing -- no family support, no friends, no job.  I'm beginning to think the only way to eradicate the cults is to start from the top down.  If you expose and bring down the leaders, the flock will be able to leave.

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    • Eternalbluepearl

      Posted (edited)

      I have a weird observation to make and the Sierra thread seems like a good place for it. Do you guys ever look at someone like who this thread is about and wonder to yourselves...what is it actually like to be a fundie? Don't they ever stop and say to themselves "this is all such bullshit?" "This feels wrong?" Etc. I mean...Trump? Honestly? The gun worship? The war worship? The hating of other people and cultures? The obsession with artificial gender roles. The distrust of education? All the fundy culture makes my head spin, my heart ache and my brain explode. How do they stand it? How do they feel happy and comfortable? It baffles me. I could not be an inelligent woman who loves my family and teach them those ugly ideas. Sorry for the rant. 

      Edited by Eternalbluepearl
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