Counting On: Season 3, Part 4: Fake Glares to Hide the Obvious

[singsingsing]

19 minutes ago, Kira said:

That's what I heard in the ad I saw a couple of days ago. 

Thanks! I don't have cable, so I don't get the ads. So bizarre!

[nastyhobbitses]

3 hours ago, nokidsmom said:

Gah!  That's exactly what Josh did.  And Derick was not in the picture at the time, he came along much later, so he had to have gotten the idea somewhere....hmmmm wonder where that could be from?

Also want to clarify, I don't watch the episodes, I can't stand them for more than a minute so prefer to get the highlights (or is it lowlights?) here.   Kudos to all who watch....you are made of stronger stuff than I am. 

Josh also pulled that shit at Jill's wedding, as did Ben. It's so caveman.

[singsingsing]

I forgot Derick pulled that shit at Jinger's wedding as well. That plus his outspoken support for Trump, his weird and bitter tweeting rampages, his apparent disregard for the well-being of his wife and children, and his general douchebaggery might just make him my absolute least favourite Duggar. At least Josh currently has the decency to stay in hiding.

(If you're wondering who my favourite Duggar is, well, even I have to admit that my bias has been pretty obvious. Rufus.)

[Kira]

34 minutes ago, singsingsing said:

Thanks! I don't have cable, so I don't get the ads. So bizarre!

It is. They usually have short seasons when they have something big to announce. Another courtship and/or pregnancy? I bet Joy and Austin will announce their engagement before next season

 

Derick is completely insane. What happened? I'm not surprised by his political views, but this "missionary work" and his tweets(especially the Santa one) are concerning. 

 

[calimojo]

I would agree,  Derick is my least favorite Duggar as well.  I could see Ben being a dolt because he had school at the dining room table from probably a very religious slant, lacking in objective science, etc.  ( not slamming home school,  just the fundie type).  But here we see Ben furthering his education.    But Derick went  public school ( I think), and on to secondary education.  He traveled the world, which often serves to increase tolerance and nice world view. 

But as time goes on,  Derick has revealed himself to be the worst and his Mom is close behind.  He is arrogant, intolerant and ethically compromised via his shady mission fund raising and sketchy accounting of fund management.  He also seems to be very insensitive to his wife's situation, not to mention a lack of concern for the health of his future child. 

I kind of have a soft spot for Ben.  He is in over his head, clearly, but he does seem to be persistent.  And, I have to give him credit for speaking out against racism.  He may have ended up voting for Trump, but I do think that he probably felt very conflicted about casting that vote.  I just hope Jessa doesn't end up having 3 or 4 more kids right away where he will be so buried by the responsibilities of head of a big household that his natural curiousity about the world gets dampened. 

Jeremy? Who knows.  He has been cunning in just giving small glimpses in to who he is and by going slient in social media,  he is creating more mystery.  We don't know yet if he is a JB wannabe, or a more moderate Con/CX.  We don't now if he will be a controlling ass with a meek and submissive wife, or if he will gently encourage Jinger to grow and distance herself from her past, if that is what she wants.    I suspect the chaos of the TTH was too much for him, so I just don't think we will see the two of them spending a lot of time there in the future.  But then again, who knows. If he and Jinger can live comfortably on the combination of His salary, her earnings from the show and their occasional appearances then I personally think that would be best for them. 

 

I liken the experience Jinger is having, being away from the compound and having freedom to go out on her own ( at least we think she has that freedom), etc to being similar to someone moving to a new country with a similar but different culture.    I imagine it is hard for her, but hopefully it is also exciting and enlightening. 

[SamiKatz]

54 minutes ago, nastyhobbitses said:

Josh also pulled that shit at Jill's wedding, as did Ben. It's so caveman.

I don't remember Ben doing it at Jill's wedding.  Plus,  he and Jessa were married after Jill, so "No Touching", and all  that jazz.

[nastyhobbitses]

4 minutes ago, SamiKatz said:

I don't remember Ben doing it at Jill's wedding.  Plus,  he and Jessa were married after Jill, so "No Touching", and all  that jazz.

No kissing/dipping (they were, however, courting at the time), but he did get up and take her arm on the recessional because he didn't want her to be escorted by another man. God forbid your (future) property have mild bodily contact for five minutes with a man who isn't you. (http://wtffundiefamilies.tumblr.com/post/121906335510/ben-is-creepy-controlling-and-possessive-jessa)

[calimojo]

Ben didn't Dip and Kiss Jessa, but he stepped in and finished escorting her down the aisle while the groomsman, just stood there.  Pretty much a stupid move

 

[Bim]

10 minutes ago, SamiKatz said:

I don't remember Ben doing it at Jill's wedding.  Plus,  he and Jessa were married after Jill, so "No Touching", and all  that jazz.

Ben did at Jills wedding, they obviously didn;t kiss but he walked her back up the ailse.

[Carm_88]

3 minutes ago, Bim said:

Ben did at Jills wedding, they obviously didn;t kiss but he walked her back up the ailse.

I'll give Ben credit for staying with Johanna this time around. It may have been because he was part of the wedding party but even so...I'll give him credit for that. 

[Bim]

3 minutes ago, Carm_88 said:

I'll give Ben credit for staying with Johanna this time around. It may have been because he was part of the wedding party but even so...I'll give him credit for that. 

It seems like such a Jim Bob thing to do so I can see Derrick and Ben doing it to make JB approve of them, but I have to give Ben some credit as well, I think now he's starting to grow up and have his own opinions.

[Galbin]

Late to the party, but.,.

I really liked this episode and felt it was far superior to the original wedding episode: more behind the scenes footage, a sense that it was just more “real” in as much as any 19KAC episode can be, and footage of the actual reception too.

1) I felt like we saw the real Jinger: hyperactive and making faces, assertively grabbing Jeremy for kisses down the aisle and at the reception etc. She also told Jeremy how to cut the cake. I know he has scary sermons and beliefs, but given the way she was here, and their silence on social media I feel like there is a chance that she could have some freedom with him.

2) Jim Bob clearly loves his daughters. You just can’t fake those sorts of tears. It’s a pity he doesn’t know how healthy love should be expressed however.

3)  Funny how Jeremy had to jump over her train to avoid colliding into the pillar in the middle of the door. Why the heck is there a pillar in the entrance anyway?

4) This episode showed Jessa's personality. I know loads of folks dislike her, but I like her. I think marriage has actually been good for her. If anyone knows anything about Dr Helen Fisher’s work*, she is almost certainly a Director. This means she is quite bossy, and many people will be put off by that. But it’s clear from this episode that she is also lots of fun and that she loves Jinger a lot too.

5) The glaring sun was hilarious.

6) The innuendos about sex were kinda cringe worthy. Also, every time I hear about or see the Big V, I automatically think “virgin”. Did nobody sensible think of that connection, and think about how cringey it is?

7) Seems like the chef in next week's episode is not happy about being exposed to their necking. Young love is great, I think, and clearly there is a lot of chemistry there.

*I have a degree and MSc in Psychology, and have studied many personality systems over the years. IME, Fisher’s is without a doubt the most accurate. I imagine this is because it is a biologically based system, in that each of the four personality types are identified by which neurochemicals and hormones are most active in the brain. 

https://theanatomyoflove.com/relationship-quizzes/helen-fishers-personality-test/

[nickelodeon]

41 minutes ago, calimojo said:

Jeremy? Who knows.  He has been cunning in just giving small glimpses in to who he is and by going slient in social media,  he is creating more mystery.

Do we have anyone on the board doing recaps/reviews of Jeremy's sermons? I haven't watched much because Not Today Satan, but there's a ton of them on Youtube, so Jeremy isn't being entirely silent on social media.

[calimojo]

But, I think he released those even before he was publicly associated with the Duggars.  Lots of churches post sermons.   But he is not using IG, Twitter, FB.   Compared to Jill and especially Jessa and Ben,  JinJer don't seem to be courting social media near as much.  But,  I am still unsure if that is because they are really not wanting to be that tied to the Clan, or if they are employing a strategy of creating more interest because they are somewhat elusive. 

[servants-heart]

I don't know if this has been mentioned upthread, I'm a bit behind. Watching Jinger's wedding just made me irrationally irritated. Maybe I'm being too harsh but I guess I had higher hopes for Jinger, and she's just as stupid as Jill was about her wedding, if not worse! The carry on about waiting her whole life to be married and now it's finally her turn... It's sad but it's also grinding my gears! I get being in love, I've been in a relationship for 5 years! I just can't stand the googley eyes and neediness that just emanates from Jill and Jinger.     

I don't know what I thought it was going to be like because it's completely to be expected, but as a 23 year old woman about to start my career, I cannot fathom the mentality behind this. Jinger, I know you never had a hope in the world given your upbringing, but there is way waaaayyyy more to life! 

[calimojo]

The thing is though that from Birth,  Jinger has been told that a woman's highest achievements are to preserve her purity, get married and have babies.  So  For Jinger,  she is nearing the pinnacle of her existence by getting married.  But also,  I can't help but wonder if part of Jinger's over the top actions are because she was so happy to get away from the compound.  And,  also she could have been directed or encouraged to behave this way.  Ratings haven't been great and they need to do what they can to create interest. 

 

And finally,  I have been to many weddings in my life, and extreme enthusiasm and the feeling that this is what you have wanted your whole life pretty much sums up how most brides and grooms feel on their wedding day.  Or leading up to it.    And, imagine being filmed and being told to be sure to play up how happy you are, and you have what we saw in Jinger. 

 

In her shoes,  Marrying an independent, mature, and decent looking man,  getting to move out from under JB, and not having to be responsible for the raising of, cleaning for, laundry for and shopping for a bunch of able bodied lazy young men would be reason enough to be hyperbolic in my excitement

 

[nastyhobbitses]

1 hour ago, Galbin said:

Late to the party, but.,.

I really liked this episode and felt it was far superior to the original wedding episode: more behind the scenes footage, a sense that it was just more “real” in as much as any 19KAC episode can be, and footage of the actual reception too.

1) I felt like we saw the real Jinger: hyperactive and making faces, assertively grabbing Jeremy for kisses down the aisle and at the reception etc. She also told Jeremy how to cut the cake. I know he has scary sermons and beliefs, but given the way she was here, and their silence on social media I feel like there is a chance that she could have some freedom with him.

2) Jim Bob clearly loves his daughters. You just can’t fake those sorts of tears. It’s a pity he doesn’t know how healthy love should be expressed however.

3)  Funny how Jeremy had to jump over her train to avoid colliding into the pillar in the middle of the door. Why the heck is there a pillar in the entrance anyway?

4) This episode showed Jessa's personality. I know loads of folks dislike her, but I like her. I think marriage has actually been good for her. If anyone knows anything about Dr Helen Fisher’s work*, she is almost certainly a Director. This means she is quite bossy, and many people will be put off by that. But it’s clear from this episode that she is also lots of fun and that she loves Jinger a lot too.

5) The glaring sun was hilarious.

6) The innuendos about sex were kinda cringe worthy. Also, every time I hear about or see the Big V, I automatically think “virgin”. Did nobody sensible think of that connection, and think about how cringey it is?

7) Seems like the chef in next week's episode is not happy about being exposed to their necking. Young love is great, I think, and clearly there is a lot of chemistry there.

*I have a degree and MSc in Psychology, and have studied many personality systems over the years. IME, Fisher’s is without a doubt the most accurate. I imagine this is because it is a biologically based system, in that each of the four personality types are identified by which neurochemicals and hormones are most active in the brain. 

https://theanatomyoflove.com/relationship-quizzes/helen-fishers-personality-test/

I just took the test. I'm a Director, and I totally see why Jessa is one too.

[Galbin]

16 minutes ago, nastyhobbitses said:

I just took the test. I'm a Director, and I totally see why Jessa is one too.

Not surprised. I am confident that many members here are directors. If I had to bet, I would guess circa 60-70%.  Also, I love Directors. I get on really well with them, as I respect their clear lines and honesty. My husband is a Director/Builder, and I adore him.

[singsingsing]

I took the test and apparently I'm a Negotiator (like, by far... I think it was 79% and my next closest type was something like 54%). I read the description and it seemed pretty accurate. 

[servants-heart]

33 minutes ago, calimojo said:

The thing is though that from Birth,  Jinger has been told that a woman's highest achievements are to preserve her purity, get married and have babies.  So  For Jinger,  she is nearing the pinnacle of her existence by getting married.  But also,  I can't help but wonder if part of Jinger's over the top actions are because she was so happy to get away from the compound.  And,  also she could have been directed or encouraged to behave this way.  Ratings haven't been great and they need to do what they can to create interest. 

 

And finally,  I have been to many weddings in my life, and extreme enthusiasm and the feeling that this is what you have wanted your whole life pretty much sums up how most brides and grooms feel on their wedding day.  Or leading up to it.    And, imagine being filmed and being told to be sure to play up how happy you are, and you have what we saw in Jinger. 

 

In her shoes,  Marrying an independent, mature, and decent looking man,  getting to move out from under JB, and not having to be responsible for the raising of, cleaning for, laundry for and shopping for a bunch of able bodied lazy young men would be reason enough to be hyperbolic in my excitement

 

I totally agree and I can see where she's coming from. I just can't help make the comparison between myself and these girls of the same age. I find it awful that intelligent girls (because I don't believe the Duggar girls are stupid) have reached the pinnacle of existence by getting married. Again, I know, I know, they've been conditioned towards this. I've watched the Duggars for years and have never found the girls getting married this disturbing.

Unfortunately for her, when she starts popping out the kids, the cleaning, laundry, shopping, 'wimmins work' will continue for poor Jinger. This period of 'freedom' likely won't last long.  

[calimojo]

Well,  I think compared to Jessa,  Jinger is just more effusive with her emotions.  Jessa seemed rather cold during her courtship and wedding.  Jill was just typical ditzy Jill.  Her excitement on her wedding day didn't bother me, but the constant "Baaaabe" and the goofy staring was annoying.   

Hopefully she will stop that now that she is away from her Mom's example of the staring.  Not sure where the baaaabe came from but ugh,  make it stop!
 

[servants-heart]

Haha yes, the baaaabe is awful  

As with all the girls, I really hope they're happy - as happy as you can be when you marry someone you've known for a few months I guess. Although watching Jill and Derick, I'm not too sure.

[Galbin]

6 minutes ago, singsingsing said:

I took the test and apparently I'm a Negotiator (like, by far... I think it was 79% and my next closest type was something like 54%). I read the description and it seemed pretty accurate. 

I am 95% negotiator and 83% builder. Interestingly, I am 18% Director but 0% Explorer. Explorers wreck my head, so that would explain it.

[Tangy Bee]

Honeymoon can be covered in a full hour if they just leave out everyone. Hope this will be the last season period.

[Kittikatz]

I'm a director to the tune of 83% next up is explorer 50%... Not a shock ,- I'm an INTJ on the MBTI tests - but always interesting to see another take on personality.