John David and Abbie 5: Pancakes with a Side of Wedding

[AussieKrissy]

18 hours ago, artdecades said:

thats the meanest thing anyone could say about her

LOL agreed, Hopefully it does not come to pass then.

[laPapessaGiovanna]

3 hours ago, Rachel333 said:

(Responding to the breastfeeding stuff... I just spoilered the whole thing since I know the conversation has mostly moved on.)

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Yeah, that one isn't even a study in itself, just a description of a meeting where the 98% figure was agreed on based on other studies. There are a ton of further studies taking into account various factors.

I'm really not invested in this anyway! I just thought it was interesting that it came up here just one day after I looked up the statistic for a totally different conversation, and since I kept seeing the 98% figure discussed I thought I would share where it seems to come from.

(I know you weren't saying this, but just for the record I never compared it to condoms!) It is true that they seem to be on opposite ends of the individual variability scale. I never really thought before about how condom use is less variable than other common methods. Condom effectiveness isn't really going to vary much at all from person to person as long as they're being used correctly, while hormonal birth control does vary in effectiveness from things like how much you weight, and then of course there is tremendous variation in breastfeeding as contraception.

 

Just to note that it was another poster, the self described breastfeeding support worker, that compared the effectiveness of breastfeeding as bc to condom. That argument seems especially ludicrous to me.

I may ask my brother if he has credentials to download that paper, just out of curiosity. If tomorrow I'll still feel curious I may look into it.

[AussieKrissy]

17 hours ago, Sky with diamonds said:

I disagree. We don't know if she's the female version of Derick. We've barely seen her onscreen. 

If she ends up like Derick...time will tell. I hope she's nowhere close to being like Derick. 

I meant as in before we saw him on screen also....

ie educated and able to get a job. Exposed to the outside world more than a 'sheltered' duggar. Not all the things he turned into after becoming ofjill.

[HerNameIsBuffy]

2 hours ago, Iamtheway said:

It will be when all of us have forgotten about them. 

Can that be soon?  Please?

[Sky with diamonds]

3 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

Can that me soon?  Please?

But how will they try to stay in the public eye? More Twitter crap from Derick, more crappy recipies from Jill? More courtships, weddings and babies? 

Eeekk.

[BachelorToTheRapture]

I don't think it's likely that any of this generation of duggars will make a big break from fundamentalism, mostly because it's worked out so well for them. They have a huge amount of money, a tv show, spouses, children. Most of them have everything that they're told they should get if they follow the rules. If something awful happens I think it's more likely that they'll rethink their beliefs. 

I do have some hope for their kids though. They won't all be raised in the public eye (assuming the tv show ends in the next couple years) and won't have all the money they need, in fact i thinj they'll have less as time goes on and there are more and more duggars. There is also a chance that some of them MAY get more outside education than the duggars are allowed, which leads to chances to interact with different people and question their beliefs. I could see Josiah and Lauren not homeschooling k-12 or at least allowing community college like Lauren had. John and Abbie's kids will at least have an educated mother to teach them, and likely the opportunity for higher education. I really do think that some of the next generation will just have more chances to interact with the outside world and receive better educations than Michelle's sotdrt.

[AussieKrissy]

My guess based purely on the photo that jinger posted was that Hannie was in the wedding party and got changed after. Her hair was very formally styled for a normal no bridal party wedding.  Time will tell.

[SapphireSlytherin]

I don't know what sweat angels are, and I'm pretty sure I'm ok with that. 

[louisa05]

On 11/4/2018 at 9:36 AM, viii said:

That’s because we know next to nothing about her, and yet a majority of this board seems to think she’s this breath of fresh air. Just because she’s a nurse? A lot of fundie women have jobs but they’re still “women jobs”. Consider me impressed when a Duggar boy marries a woman who is a millwright mechanic or something. 

I don’t have anything against JD and Abbie, but it will curious to see who still loves her if she chooses to quit her job, stay home and have 10 children. 

So "women jobs" are not valid? Thanks for that. Some stereotypically female jobs are the hardest work for the lowest pay. Among them my profession--teaching, childcare and, yes, nursing.  Women outnumbering men in a field does not make it inferior. 

[SapphireSlytherin]

17 minutes ago, louisa05 said:

So "women jobs" are not valid? Thanks for that. Some stereotypically female jobs are the hardest work for the lowest pay. Among them my profession--teaching, childcare and, yes, nursing.  Women outnumbering men in a field does not make it inferior. 

I don't want to put words in @viii's mouth, but I read that not as viii's opinion, but an opinion the fundies have.

[louisa05]

3 minutes ago, SapphireSlytherin said:

I don't want to put words in @viii's mouth, but I read that not as viii's opinion, but an opinion the fundies have.

Read it again. Nursing is apparently not a job but a "women job" and vii will be impressed when one of them is a millwright. You know, a valid job because it is male-dominated. I read nothing in that comment that implies it is an interpretation of fundie ideas. Leave off the millwright part and maybe. But it's right there. A job in a male dominated field is the only way to impress vii. 

This is such a common attitude that a current trend in our culture is that as more women enter a particular field, the wages drop. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/upshot/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html

This article addresses how the pay gap seems to correlate directly to which gender dominates a field: 

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/2018/06/17/opinion-female-dominated-jobs-seen-less-valuable/691018002/

[ihaveanexamintwodays]

18 minutes ago, louisa05 said:

Read it again. Nursing is apparently not a job but a "women job" and vii will be impressed when one of them is a millwright. You know, a valid job because it is male-dominated. I read nothing in that comment that implies it is an interpretation of fundie ideas. Leave off the millwright part and maybe. But it's right there. A job in a male dominated field is the only way to impress vii. 

This is such a common attitude that a current trend in our culture is that as more women enter a particular field, the wages drop. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/upshot/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html

This article addresses how the pay gap seems to correlate directly to which gender dominates a field: 

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/2018/06/17/opinion-female-dominated-jobs-seen-less-valuable/691018002/

nursing is a "woman job" by fundie standards and therefore appropriate by fundie standards. i'm sure @viii (and myself) will be impressed when a fundie boy marries a woman who is employed  "inappropriately" in a male-dominated field. you are grossly projecting someone's statements about *working single fundamentalist women* onto the stated profession overall. 

[feministxtian]

15 minutes ago, louisa05 said:

Read it again. Nursing is apparently not a job but a "women job" and vii will be impressed when one of them is a millwright. You know, a valid job because it is male-dominated. I read nothing in that comment that implies it is an interpretation of fundie ideas. Leave off the millwright part and maybe. But it's right there. A job in a male dominated field is the only way to impress vii. 

This is such a common attitude that a current trend in our culture is that as more women enter a particular field, the wages drop. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/upshot/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html

This article addresses how the pay gap seems to correlate directly to which gender dominates a field: 

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/2018/06/17/opinion-female-dominated-jobs-seen-less-valuable/691018002/

Nursing is one of the HARDEST jobs out there. I have a friend who was an ER nurse who got attacked by some out of control patient before they could restrain him. They work long-ass shifts, see things that they end up seeing therapists for, have an incredible burn out rate. I wouldn't be a nurse for love nor money. 

But, according to some people, I might actually have a "REAL" job in a male dominated field. There are 3 female detailers on my team of 15. 

Oh, and I've known female millwrights, electricians, machinists, pipefitters, welders and heavy equipment operators. 

And yes, wages are dropping for engineers as more women enter the field. It's bullshit. 

[Mama Mia]

3 hours ago, laPapessaGiovanna said:

Just to note that it was another poster, the self described breastfeeding support worker, that compared the effectiveness of breastfeeding as bc to condom. That argument seems especially ludicrous to me.

I may ask my brother if he has credentials to download that paper, just out of curiosity. If tomorrow I'll still feel curious I may look into it.

Even Planned Parenthood lists exclusive breastfeeding as  98% effective for the first six months following childbirth. You really can’t find a more mainstream source for birth control statistics.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/breastfeeding

 

 

[VeryNikeSeamstress]

The peachy pink accents we've seen in the few wedding pictures that have showed up so far have me wondering if they maybe recycled bridesmaid dresses. I believe both Kendra and Lauren's bridesmaids wore a light pink. Hopefully Jessa's weird booby ruffle bridesmaid dresses didn't resurface.

[viii]

My sister is a labor and delivery RN. She has one of the hardest jobs in the world. She deals with people in their worst most vulnerable moments and celebrates with them in their literal happiest moments of life. I have nothing but respect for nurses. 

Fundamentalists (which I am well versed in, considering I was raised in one) believe a nurses job to be “women’s work” and acceptable until she’s married. That’s all I was saying. My comment was not an insult against nurses, but against fundies. I’m sorry if you took it that way and I hope my comment now can allievate that. 

(Also, my bestie is a millwright mechanic, which is why I used that as an example) 

[Rachel333]

Yes, it's not a slight against nurses to point out that Abbie having a job is not a sign that she's moving away from fundamentalism when her job is one of the few fundie-approved professions for women.

[SapphireSlytherin]

33 minutes ago, VeryNikeSeamstress said:

The peachy pink accents we've seen in the few wedding pictures that have showed up so far have me wondering if they maybe recycled bridesmaid dresses. I believe both Kendra and Lauren's bridesmaids wore a light pink. Hopefully Jessa's weird booby ruffle bridesmaid dresses didn't resurface.

Got a link to pics?

[FrozenSmile]

I need to go back & look at pics from weddings past, but i’m almost positive i haven’t seen these bridesmaids dresses before. They were a rose gold/champagne/peachy color, floor length, with fitted sequin (sparkly, anyway) bodices. I’m also almost positive that Michelle wore a dress she’s worn before. It was a purply-bluish with bell sleeves, can’t remember if it was tea length or floor length.

[AussieKrissy]

10 minutes ago, Rachel333 said:

Yes, it's not a slight against nurses to point out that Abbie having a job is not a sign that she's moving away from fundamentalism when her job is one of the few fundie-approved professions for women.

One thing I find interesting is that they (fundies) never try and go higher in their education with nursing. From my understanding Abbie is the lowest form of nurse (not a slight) by this I mean by terms of education and ability to administer medications etc. In Australia that is called AIN. Then the qualifications move up to an an EN then an RN. RN's can do an extra year to be a qualified midwife.

I dealt with a fundie once in my circle of friends (their church associates with the Duggar's when in Australia) She was a RN and began her year training as a midwife. She dropped out as it was mandatory that she did her training in hospital to assist in wards that housed women who had terminations and assist with terminations (for whatever reasons). It went against her religious beliefs. I always wondered if this kind of thing was a contributing factor as to why Jill didn't couldn't go further. 

On a side note, I escorted a women for a termination at a hospital, she got all the way up to the room and the anesthetist pulled the pin on the surgery due to religious grounds. I was disgusted. He/she should have seen that on their docket earlier and made arrangements to have some one else do it. This girl then had to be wheeled back and wait again. Sad as it was she was slightly developmental delayed and or see med confident and or unconcerned with her choice, so I was enraged for her and she was unconcerned (thank rufus). If that had of been the second girl I  took out we both would have been howling messes...

That made think that anesthetist has obviously got a lot more clout to pull that than a RN. 

[Mela99]

So did Jilly-Rod get herself an invite or were they super busy?

[ChickenettiLuvr]

Last night DH and I were out for dinner. And I asked him what he thought of a breakfast buffet for a wedding reception. He asked if it was a morning wedding. I said no, mid to late afternoon. He said it didn't make sense unless it was a brunch type & time reception. 

Pickles has posted info about the food. And it's underwhelming, to say the least (if her info is accurate).

Anyway.... it could have been amazing. But appears that it was meh.

Carry on.

[ViolaSebastian]

Just now, ChickenettiLuvr said:

Last night DH and I were out for dinner. And I asked him what he thought of a breakfast buffet for a wedding reception. He asked if it was a morning wedding. I said no, mid to late afternoon. He said it didn't make sense unless it was a brunch type & time reception. 

Pickles has posted info about the food. And it's underwhelming, to say the least (if her info is accurate).

Anyway.... it could have been amazing. But appears that it was meh.

Carry on.

Leave it to the Duggars to mess even breakfast up. 

[Coconut Flan]

Cold breakfast that includes waffles and bacon is just wrong.  I do think the attendants' dresses stand a chance of being the nicest ones yet. 

[Rachel333]

17 minutes ago, AussieKrissy said:

One thing I find interesting is that they (fundies) never try and go higher in their education with nursing. From my understanding Abbie is the lowest form of nurse (not a slight) by this I mean by terms of education and ability to administer medications etc. In Australia that is called AIN. Then the qualifications move up to an an EN then an RN. RN's can do an extra year to be a qualified midwife.

I don't know precisely how those terms compare, but it sounds like AIN is more like CNA (certified nursing assistant) here, and Abbie would be more like an EN. A CNA isn't a nurse, though, and Abbie's degree, LPN, is the minimum you need to be able to accurately call yourself a nurse.