Jill Duggar Dillard Part 11

[quiverofdoubt]

17 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

I remember they said she was allergic to dairy products, and Michelle had her chanting something like, "Others may but I may not."   Since she was making pizza later, I would think she's no longer allergic, or else they got vegan cheese for her.

They do know that cheese comes from milk, don't they?

If it's a lactose issue, she may be able to handle cheese. I can't handle milk, but usually do ok with cheese or yogurt.  Of course, they could just be pretending the food issue doesn't exist, and just let her eat it and suffer the tummy aches or what not. 

[Coconut Flan]

Lactose intolerance and milk allergy are not the same thing at all.  I am lactose intolerant and can consume a certain amount of dairy without symptoms and some things like cheese and yogurt don't set off the symptoms.  A milk allergy would mean that I would react to almost any amount of dairy in almost any form and with an identifiable allergic reaction.

Lactose intolerance can also change over time and improve or get worse.

Thus ends the PSA for the morning.  

[Valerie3kids]

I had no idea that Josie was 6. For some reason I thought she was much younger. Now I feel extra old knowing how time flies. I could be very wrong but I just do not see Mechelle working with Josie on any issues as she is so disengaged from her children in general. Do they expect Jana to know how to do this instead? I have heard she has food allergies but never witnessed them changing her diet or doing anything special.

I have always thought she needed some speech therapy. But, this is not my area of expertise. Just comparing her to other children. Plus, the fact that Mechelle has to put on long pants under any dress including flower girls dresses for Josie has always struck me as off. Why not leggings like the other littles? She will not have the chance to mature in that house hold. I am not confident that the Duggars would ever admit that she needed any type of therapy. They have already had to swallow all of Josh's mistakes and to admit a blessing is not perfect goes against the grain. Then I am flummoxed that Mechelle actually got pregnant again after Josie. It seems as if they only listen to God when it appeals to them and their lifestyle.

[ClaraOswin]

36 minutes ago, Coconut Flan said:

Lactose intolerance and milk allergy are not the same thing at all.  I am lactose intolerant and can consume a certain amount of dairy without symptoms and some things like cheese and yogurt don't set off the symptoms.  A milk allergy would mean that I would react to almost any amount of dairy in almost any form and with an identifiable allergic reaction.

Lactose intolerance can also change over time and improve or get worse.

Thus ends the PSA for the morning.  

I can't stand when people say they or someone they know has an "allergy" when it's really an intolerance or whatever.

The worst are people who think "just a little" of something is okay even if the person has a true allergy. That's a good way for someone to end up in the ER (after using an EPI-pen, of course.)

[choralcrusader8613]

55 minutes ago, ClaraOswin said:

I can't stand when people say they or someone they know has an "allergy" when it's really an intolerance or whatever.

I've done this, but only because I have to deal with people who think "intolerance" means "I don't like it", and you only get "catered to" if it's an allergy. I have a pretty massive intolerance to sulfites, for example, but it's just easier to tell certain people in my life that I'm allergic to sulfites, because then I don't get the "just a little" comment or "it can't be that bad".

[Bad Wolf]

1 hour ago, Coconut Flan said:

Lactose intolerance and milk allergy are not the same thing at all.  I am lactose intolerant and can consume a certain amount of dairy without symptoms and some things like cheese and yogurt don't set off the symptoms.  A milk allergy would mean that I would react to almost any amount of dairy in almost any form and with an identifiable allergic reaction.

Lactose intolerance can also change over time and improve or get worse.

Thus ends the PSA for the morning.  

Thanks. I always learn stuff on FJ. Last week in church, they asked who knew we'd been sanctioned by the Anglican church. Thanks to FJ, I could raise my hand.

Go FJers, fount of all knowledge.

[LovelyLuna]

The Dillards are in a catch 22 with the virus when it comes to their belief system. If they prevent pregnancy then they are not trusting G-d, and therefore are sinning. Babies are sent by G-d, as are birth defects, he knows best. Their only acceptable option is to pray extra hard and follow all the rules to a T. Which means having unprotected sex. The system is all fucked up and its a wonder more women don’t downed their children in bathtubs. 

[ClaraOswin]

2 hours ago, choralcrusader8613 said:

I've done this, but only because I have to deal with people who think "intolerance" means "I don't like it", and you only get "catered to" if it's an allergy. I have a pretty massive intolerance to sulfites, for example, but it's just easier to tell certain people in my life that I'm allergic to sulfites, because then I don't get the "just a little" comment or "it can't be that bad".

Yeah, I get that. But when you could literally DIE if given a small amount of something, it's really a whole different category than an intolerance.

The problem is that so many people claim to have allergies these days that no one takes it seriously anymore. Makes it difficult for those who have life threatening ones.

[gustava]

3 hours ago, Valerie3kids said:

It seems as if they only listen to God when it appeals to them and their lifestyle.

Yup.

[Toothfairy]

It's always been like that with fundies. They only listen to God when they want to. 

[Heathen525]

I was dairy-intolerant as a baby. I grew out of it. My mom had to stop eating dairy products, but she could still nurse me and did.

I usually don't judge with breastfeeding, but it's soooo important with micro-preemies and literally Michelle's only job!

[MatthewDuggar]

I couldn't have milk as a baby either, my mother had to give me soy milk.  Way back in those days it was light brown and people thought she was always giving me chocolate milk.  She always said I was "allergic".  Apparently I grew out of the allergy as I could drink milk without any issues in elementary school.

[Bad Wolf]

My DIL has celiac, and I am always careful not to cross contaminate. She has her own butter, etc., not touched by anything which might have been in contact with our bread.

[freealljs]

I'm allergic to fermented dairy products.  I can eat some cheeses and yogurt. As for Josie, I suspect that her parents (or her real mother Jana) doesn't have the time to cook something specifically for her. There are just too many kids and issues with cross contamination. I don't see them giving a care about thos things  

I have been wondering about Izzy in his  recent pics. Swaddled at 8-9'months, crying, bruised. Yes there are happy pics of Izzy. Then there are pics of Jill holding Izzy, with this weird smile on her face, like she's two seconds from snapping. I really think Jill may be suffering from post partum depression or maybe Izzy is a spirited baby. It's like she has this vacant look in every pic. I know that i shouldn't discern so much from Instagram pics and videos, but I worry about that baby.  

I apologize if this has been covered, but this topic moves so quickly. 

[ClaraOswin]

You really cannot tell if someone has PPD in photos. I could show you dozens of photos of me with my son. Smiling and snuggling and whatnot. You would never have guessed I had PPD. As I'm sure there are women who may look detached or whatever in photos but they are perfectly fine.

Could Jill have PPD? Of course. ANY mother could. Can you tell in photos? No. Certainly not.

Also, having PPD doesn't = being seconds from "snapping"

[Arete]

Oh for God's sake, as if diagnosing Down's and Marfan Syndrome via photo isn't bad enough, now we are diagnosing PPD via photo. 

[nastyhobbitses]

1 hour ago, AreteJo said:

Oh for God's sake, as if diagnosing Down's and Marfan Syndrome via photo isn't bad enough, now we are diagnosing PPD via photo. 

Up next: Jessa has Ebola, because something in a photo of her clearly shows that she has Ebola.

[HermioneSparrow]

14 hours ago, ClaraOswin said:

Yeah, I get that. But when you could literally DIE if given a small amount of something, it's really a whole different category than an intolerance.

The problem is that so many people claim to have allergies these days that no one takes it seriously anymore. Makes it difficult for those who have life threatening ones.

People don't understand allergies or intolerance at all. I'm allergic to bananas and once in college at a nutrition class the Professor almost made me eat one.. Last time I accidentally ate a little piece of banana, I had anaphylaxis. No one believes i'm allergic to them or think it's f--ing funny

I'm also lactose intolerant and I can't drink milk, I can eat cheese and yogurt but milk is out of the question, I have to be super careful when my mom cooks for me because she thinks my intolerance is crap and I'm just annoying, since I developed the intolerance when I was a teenager... Not an easy life for people like me.

[ksgranola1]

Regarding allergies....I had my DNA tested. Turns out, I am 2.3% NEANDERTHAL! Recently read an article that said just about all of us have some Neanderthal and while they were big brutes who were strong inside & out, the Neanderthal gene has been weakened over the thousands of years, causing us to develop allergies to things. Described in the article as "the gene gets shorter and shorter and fragmenting, thus making us allergic to things the brutes could tolerate. I wonder where they got their milk?
 

[quiverofdoubt]

I may have muddied the waters- I called josie's intolerance an allergy- because jchelle did. I have NO idea which one she has. I'm suspicious that it's a true casein allergy, because if it was lactose intolerance there was no reason jchelle couldn't have kept nursing her and taken lactose out of her diet.  I believe mom's breastmilk is safe then? or am I wrong about that?  I'm lactose intolerant, but not casein allergic.  Normally I can handle cheese and yogurt, and icecream if i don't mind the stomach issues and gas after. I really like icecream, sometimes it's worth it to me, as my intolerance isn't huge.  But with this pregnancy I can't handle cheese almost at all, especially before bed. 

There are several reasons they could just be ignoring her milk issues:

1) she's outgrown an intolerance

2) since she's not depending on milk for 100% of her food needs, the small amounts of dairy she gets don't cause huge issues, so they ignore any symptoms she might get from it

3) they ignore it, like they ignore almost everything other medical advice given. justified with jebus

4) jana is too tired to tell josie no to pizza any more, or anything else. just too run down to deal with that fight, so she gives in

5) it could actually be a dairy free version, assuming we didn't see the package (i HIGHLY doubt this, have you ever grocery shopped in the south? at least in the piggly wiggly type of store, it reminds of me more of a overgrown gas station. They probably have little access to alternative dairy. And since it's pricey i doubt they splurge. These people rarely buy grapes because "expensive")

 

ETA: she never had an anaphylactic reaction to breast milk. She was having severe digestive issues, and not putting on weight at all.  

And yes, she was mostly getting previously pumped milk from jchelle, it's possible they switched to formula because jchelle didn't want to change diet and keep nursing. 

[twinmama]

On 1/24/2016 at 9:17 AM, ksgranola1 said:

One of my grandsons is ADHD. It's like living w/a hurricane in your house. To Michelle's credit, she has taken Josie to a specialist at the Ark. Children's hospital.  I remember that much. She never mentioned having to take her to the eye doctor, but I'm sure they did. Vision problems for preemies is a big issue. I remember Kate Gosslin having to take her sextuplets in for eye exams every year. The screaming; I'm glad at least Michelle  TLC spared us that.

While eye issues are a common preemie thing, if you don't have them, you dont. My 29 weekers never had retinopathy of prematurity and by their due date their eyes were normal. All they have now at 4 years is a higher risk for glasses, which they would have had any way bc their entire family wears glasses. They went to the pediatric opthamologist for their first year several times, then just whenever all kids do.

22 hours ago, Drala said:

I agree completely.  In pediatrics there is an informal term used for the clinical impression I have of Josie, which is she's a FLIK.  It means Funny Looking Kid.  There's something odd or off about her, but I have nothing go on except her overall appearance.

This makes me sad. Josie just looks like a former micropreemie. 

[LittleSpouseOnThePrairie]

I think Jill raising a child relatively on her own away from her family is the best lesson she can be learning right now. It will force her to grow up, problem solve, and become a little more realistic about child rearing. I remember being so relived to hear her acknowledge it was a lot different when the baby is your own. She is inevitably going to make some mistakes, but I hope she learns how to be a parent without relying on siblings. 

[Four is Enough]

Jill's vacant expression has pretty much always been there, hasn't it? Right now, with all the new things happening to her, new home, lack of siblings to help, new food, new language, I'm sure she's overwhelmed, and she has nobody to tell her how to proceed. It seems as if Derrick is just going through the motions of being a missionary, probably trying to regain his carefree Nepal-missionary-vacation days, and isn't realizing how Jill struggles. Possibly he doesn't know how to help her, or IF he's supposed to help her, what with wimmins' work and all. I feel for Izzy... with two kids who really don't have preparation to be parents, raising him.

[ClaraOswin]

11 minutes ago, twinmama said:

While eye issues are a common preemie thing, if you don't have them, you dont. My 29 weekers never had retinopathy of prematurity and by their due date their eyes were normal. All they have now at 4 years is a higher risk for glasses, which they would have had any way bc their entire family wears glasses. They went to the pediatric opthamologist for their first year several times, then just whenever all kids do.

This makes me sad. Josie just looks like a former micropreemie. 

I agree. I wouldn't call her a funny looking child at all. She looks similar to many micropreemies but I don't think that is "funny" looking.

[jcanglin991]

On ‎1‎/‎23‎/‎2016 at 4:25 PM, Valerie3kids said:

41 minutes ago, quiverofdoubt said:

 

 

5) it could actually be a dairy free version, assuming we didn't see the package (i HIGHLY doubt this, have you ever grocery shopped in the south? at least in the piggly wiggly type of store, it reminds of me more of a overgrown gas station. They probably have little access to alternative dairy. And since it's pricey i doubt they splurge. These people rarely buy grapes because "expensive"

 

Mostly I lurk here because I'm an introvert and everybody says what I think before I do, but saying the Duggars ignore possible allergies because they live and grocery shop in the south makes no sense. I live in the south and have access to many healthy alternatives. Even Walmart, which so many people hate, has alternatives. Piggly Wiggly is not our only option, nor is it theirs.  The more likely reason is that the Duggars see themselves as superior and refuse to believe any of them could be less than perfect and need accomodations, such as special food. Those children are just part of the herd. If it's not important to JB or Michelle it is not important