Anna Duggar and the M Kids - Part 3

[bingbangboom]

On 12/8/2015 at 1:18 AM, Cerealgirl said:

All the more pressure for JB to continue providing houses to the kids upon marriage. I wonder what is JD's living arrangement.

Maybe we'll see Josh and Anna moving to Florida for a fresh start with Josh doing prison ministry since he can speak of his own sins. It would be good for him to have to be reminded of his deeds on a daily basis. Have a bite of humble pie.

I like this idea, as far as 'staying' goes. Plus, aren't child molesters very popular in prison? Josh does like popularity!

[Valerie3kids]

4 hours ago, bingbangboom said:

I like this idea, as far as 'staying' goes. Plus, aren't child molesters very popular in prison? Josh does like popularity!

Not popular for the reasons he enjoys it seems. He could not do prison ministry as they would tear him to shreds, Not physically but heckling and back talking and he would get to the point of being so frustrated that he would damn all to hell. Then run screaming for his daddy out of the building.

He is a dirtbag. Hiding. Causing all this pain and suffering to his family especially his wife and eventually children. He needs to grow some, appear out in public and deal with it. No, it won't be nice but what he did and continues to do is not nice. So either really change or deal.

[bingbangboom]

Sorry, @Valerie3kids , the internet really makes it hard to judge tone and sarcasm. There was a lot of sarcasm in my original comment.

[ksgranola1]

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[accountingstar]

On 12/10/2015 at 11:43 PM, foreign fundie said:

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/anna-duggar-josh-duggar-rehab-reunion-reality-wife-visits-sex-addict-treatment-porn-star-lawsuit/

Has this been posted? If this is true, it is kind of sad. Yet it is hard to imagine someone who is close enough to know these details would bring them out in the open. 

Entertainment Tonight picked up the story too.

Here's the interesting parts of the article:

-"On Tuesday, 27-year-old Anna was spotted in Rockford, Illinois -- where Josh is currently in treatment -- presumably visiting her husband without their four kids. Though, according to InTouch Weekly, this isn't the first time Anna has seen Josh at the treatment center. She reportedly came face-to-face with the embattled 19 Kids and Counting star for the first time in three months right before Thanksgiving." (The Republican debate was in Milwaukee on November 10th, maybe she traveled with Jim Bob)

-"Despite all of Anna and Josh Duggar's marital drama this year, the two are now seemingly rekindling the romance in their relationship." (Not surprised given Anna's upbringing. Keep sweet)

http://www.etonline.com/news/177712_anna_and_josh_duggar_are_writing_love_letters_to_each_other/

I wonder who the source is. Cousin Amy? Jim Bob? Michelle?

 

[Bad Wolf]

Well, if they do get back together and stay together, I predict at least six more under educated, brain washed blessings. Just what the world needs.

[HarleyQuinn]

Anna will never leave Josh. It's just a pipe dream. She'll start giving him that love sick fundie gaze as soon as she's back. It's so unfortunate, especially when she actually has siblings willing to help her. 

[2manyKidzzz]

She thought she had it "all". She wants the all back. She just can't  accept it didn't work out. I do like Anna, I find her a brainwashed person. She knows nothing else. 

 

But Joshley will not change. It's all very sick. 

[Drala]

Maybe Josh will do Anna a favor and break it off.  

[Georgiana]

1 hour ago, 2manyKidzzz said:

She thought she had it "all". She wants the all back. She just can't  accept it didn't work out. I do like Anna, I find her a brainwashed person. She knows nothing else. 

 

But Joshley will not change. It's all very sick. 

It's very difficult to face the fact that you have failed in something so important and central to your life as a marriage.  Even non-brainwashed people often initially take their cheating spouse back because it seems easier to try and forgive and move on rather than admit that the marriage is irredeemably broken and a very public failure.  

However, it's really just a case of difficulty up front vs difficulty over time.  Leaving may be emotionally more difficult initially, but it is the easier option overall.  Staying seems easier at first, but the reality of actually repairing the marriage is much more difficult than most people realize.

Basically, it's not uncommon for people to take their cheating spouse back....and then divorce down the line.  I wouldn't be surprised if Anna/Josh end up divorcing in a year or two when they realize that what they had before is gone for good.

[nokidsmom]

2 hours ago, Georgiana said:

It's very difficult to face the fact that you have failed in something so important and central to your life as a marriage.  Even non-brainwashed people often initially take their cheating spouse back because it seems easier to try and forgive and move on rather than admit that the marriage is irredeemably broken and a very public failure.  

However, it's really just a case of difficulty up front vs difficulty over time.  Leaving may be emotionally more difficult initially, but it is the easier option overall.  Staying seems easier at first, but the reality of actually repairing the marriage is much more difficult than most people realize.

Basically, it's not uncommon for people to take their cheating spouse back....and then divorce down the line.  I wouldn't be surprised if Anna/Josh end up divorcing in a year or two when they realize that what they had before is gone for good.

Exactly this. Having personally known a few people who did initially take their spouse back after cheating, it seemed that a number of them were reacting out of shock to the situation and after that shock had subsided, were thinking more clearly about what staying really meant.    

Granted Anna has had some time but for her there's the issue of separation / divorce not being an option plus she and Josh have been living apart so she hasn't had the chance to experience what it's like to actually try to save the marriage, meaning living day to day under the same roof with all the trust issues and other baggage that goes with this.

 

[vienna]

Here are the relevant Statements from "the source" as quoted by InTouch: anna-duggar-josh-duggar-rehab-danica-dillon-lawsuit-80054

“Anna went right before Thanksgiving,” a source close to the Duggars exclusively reveals. “She had a lot to discuss with Josh. She thought it best that she go alone so she decided not to bring the kids, except Meredith because she is still breastfeeding.”

“Seeing Josh was really hard for Anna,” says the source. “She cried about how much she misses him and teared up while they prayed.”

“Anna knew she needed to talk to Josh about that,” explains the source, “and about the lawsuit.”

“[Anna] believes Josh cheated on her — because he admitted he did — but she does not believe Danica’s story. She doesn’t think Josh could be so aggressive,” explains the source.

“Josh is still denying it happened and told Anna that since he was living a life of sin, he isn’t surprised that people are making things up about him. But Josh doesn’t confess anything until he is absolutely caught in a lie.”

“She believes everything Josh says. She actually thinks he’s getting better.”

Unfourtunately I believe it. It is exactly how Anna is expected to deal with "the Situation" (as seems to be the wording the Duggar Family choose for cheating). My guess reagrding the source is one of Annas siblings.

[nastyhobbitses]

22 minutes ago, vienna said:

Here are the relevant Statements from "the source" as quoted by InTouch: anna-duggar-josh-duggar-rehab-danica-dillon-lawsuit-80054

“Anna went right before Thanksgiving,” a source close to the Duggars exclusively reveals. “She had a lot to discuss with Josh. She thought it best that she go alone so she decided not to bring the kids, except Meredith because she is still breastfeeding.”

“Seeing Josh was really hard for Anna,” says the source. “She cried about how much she misses him and teared up while they prayed.”

“Anna knew she needed to talk to Josh about that,” explains the source, “and about the lawsuit.”

“[Anna] believes Josh cheated on her — because he admitted he did — but she does not believe Danica’s story. She doesn’t think Josh could be so aggressive,” explains the source.

“Josh is still denying it happened and told Anna that since he was living a life of sin, he isn’t surprised that people are making things up about him. But Josh doesn’t confess anything until he is absolutely caught in a lie.”

“She believes everything Josh says. She actually thinks he’s getting better.”

Unfourtunately I believe it. It is exactly how Anna is expected to deal with "the Situation" (as seems to be the wording the Duggar Family choose for cheating). My guess reagrding the source is one of Annas siblings.

What does he have to do to get her to dump his sorry, cheating, weaselly, oily ass? Join ISIS?

[justoneoftwo]

2 minutes ago, nastyhobbitses said:

What does he have to do to get her to dump his sorry, cheating, weaselly, oily ass? Join ISIS?

I think she really believes in her cult, so that wouldn't do it.  Adultery is the only thing that had a chance.  

[nastyhobbitses]

3 minutes ago, justoneoftwo said:

I think she really believes in her cult, so that wouldn't do it.  Adultery is the only thing that had a chance.  

That and living in the way ISIS/Daesh wants you to live wouldn't be all that different from how Jim Bob wants you to live. Except ISIS/Daesh is more aggressive and the Duggars are more passive-aggressive.

[vienna]

I really wounder what she and the other Duggars are telling the M kids

[Seven Severn]

5 hours ago, Georgiana said:

>>snip<<

Basically, it's not uncommon for people to take their cheating spouse back....and then divorce down the line.  I wouldn't be surprised if Anna/Josh end up divorcing in a year or two when they realize that what they had before is gone for good.

What was that, though? Was it real love and sexual attraction early on? Or was Anna just the way for Josh to get out of the house? His unhappiness in his marriage had to have been festering for a while before he acted on it; people don't just wake up one day suddenly dissatisfied with their marriage and immediately fuck around -- it tends to creep up over time. So how long was he unhappy before he took the plunge into adultery? One year? Two? Four? How early did he realize he'd made a mistake? What they had before may not have existed for a significant amount of time, if ever, if you know what I mean. Anna was living a lie for some time without even realizing it.

[Dandruff]

We really don't know how much substance Josh and Anna's relationship had.  Her entrance to the Duggar family certainly gave Jim Bob and TLC something they wanted, and Josh what he thought he wanted, but we can only guess what life was like when the cameras weren't around.  I continue to hope that Anna will find and choose what's best for herself and the kids.  I have no doubt that Josh will continue to choose what's best for him.

[VeryNikeSeamstress]

2 hours ago, justoneoftwo said:

I think she really believes in her cult, so that wouldn't do it.  Adultery is the only thing that had a chance.  

One thing that really sickens me about this is that if Anna had been the one cheating, Josh probably would've declared her a Jezebel and left immediately.

[justoneoftwo]

1 minute ago, VeryNikeSeamstress said:

One thing that really sickens me about this is that if Anna had been the one cheating, Josh probably would've declared her a Jezebel and left immediately.

Well of course, women should pray for their men to be better leaders if they are not perfect, men are leaders. . . 

[nastyhobbitses]

39 minutes ago, Seven Severn said:

What was that, though? Was it real love and sexual attraction early on? Or was Anna just the way for Josh to get out of the house? His unhappiness in his marriage had to have been festering for a while before he acted on it; people don't just wake up one day suddenly dissatisfied with their marriage and immediately fuck around -- it tends to creep up over time. So how long was he unhappy before he took the plunge into adultery? One year? Two? Four? How early did he realize he'd made a mistake? What they had before may not have existed for a significant amount of time, if ever, if you know what I mean. Anna was living a lie for some time without even realizing it.

Well, the Reddit AMA by the ATI defector outright stated that their marriage was pretty much an arranged one. I wouldn't be surprised if Josh thought Anna was cute and nice, but wasn't really ever in love with her. But she was his ticket out, and he'd get to have all the sex he wanted and wouldn't get sent away for it, so he figured it was a good enough deal. I think he tried to be a good husband at some point out of genuine desire to be a good man or out of desire to play the role of "Good Husband" for the cameras (take your pick depending if you're on Team Josh Is A Victim of His Upbringing But a Good Person Deep Down or on Team Josh Has Always Been A Sociopath And His Upbringing Just Made It Worse), but...well, when you take an already rather selfish/screwed-up manchild with poor impulse control, marry him off to someone he doesn't really love, and then give him unrestricted internet access, you've got a recipe for a sleazy cheater who will blame everyone but himself.

[JenniferJuniper]

If it's true that Anna doesn't believe Danica's story (and of course, she's not the only one), I wonder if this makes it less likely that Josh-JB will settle out with her.   Some people may look at paying her off before trial as evidence that he has something to hide. 

Then again, they probably don't plan on Anna thinking anything through.

[MakeItSo]

5 hours ago, vienna said:

I really wounder what she and the other Duggars are telling the M kids

"daddy did something really bad so we sent him into a very long time out." ...do they do time outs as a form of discipline? I couldn't see Meechelle do it but Anna, yes. I could see her handle the M's like that. BTW, off topic, but one thing you have to give Josh credit for...he and Anna made some adorable little boogers. 

[TheSilverTongue]

 

2 hours ago, JenniferJuniper said:

If it's true that Anna doesn't believe Danica's story (and of course, she's not the only one), I wonder if this makes it less likely that Josh-JB will settle out with her.   Some people may look at paying her off before trial as evidence that he has something to hide. 

Then again, they probably don't plan on Anna thinking anything through.

No doubt in my mind that it's true. Anna was all "ndb boys will be boys" about the molestation but she was devastated on camera about the adultery. The sexual assault has not been mentioned at all. If she honeslty thought her husband was raping women her behavior would be very different. 

[Jennifer Hart]

Sad to see Anna just make herself a slave to Josh. I know a few religious couples where the wife is basically a doormat.  Getting divorced is the ultimate sin.  I know a woman whose husband heavily abused her so she went back to live with her family.  She was in her thirties when this happened and now in her forties.  She will never divorce him because she doesn't believe in divorce.  Basically she is his for life and will never be allowed in another relationship.