The Duggars' Megyn Kelly Lie-a-Thon Shit Show- Part 2

[Bunnybutts]

Oh my :pink-shock:

.Josh was a boy, a young boy in puberty and a little too curious about girls," says Jessa. "And that got him into some trouble. And he made some bad choices, but, really, the extent of it was mild – inappropriate touching on fully clothed victims, most of it while [the] girls were sleeping."

Jill, 24, adds that they "didn't even know" about the molestation until Josh had confessed to their parents. "None of the victims were aware of what happened until Joshua confessed," Jessa agrees, adding, "My parents took [us] aside individually, and they said, 'Here's what happened,' and of course at this point, you're shocked."

http://www.people.com/article/jill-dugg ... _peoplemag

[Alyciabaleesha]

Oh my :pink-shock:

http://www.people.com/article/jill-dugg ... _peoplemag

[SassyPants]

The lying the girls will do tonight hurts. Why must they lie omg

To save their cash cow.

The Duggars' Motto really is Money before everything else.

So the girls didn't really know what happened to them 12-13 years ago and their parents had to gently explain, and then put safeguards in place.

But now, the media has caused them to feel like victims?

Clearly, the counseling they received did not work.

It wasn't such a huge deal years ago in terms of the girls because it was over the clothing, only for a few seconds and occurred during sleep, except when it didn't, and Josh was sorry...but now they are victims?

They feel like victims not because of Josh but because their family is being forced to incur consequences for mistakes made.

Maybe this should be a HUGE sign to the adult children that it's time to separate from mommy and daddy and start learning how to make your own decisions so that you can protect yourself. If anything, there should be trust issues with regards to their parents.

This will fracture this family as 1 by 1 the light bulbs go on that illuminate what life IS REALLY LIKE in the real world. Including how parents in the real world treat, educate, protect, encourage, guide, nurture, discipline and prepare their kids for successful, independent living.

JB and M failed all their kids.

[apandaaries]

have to chime in here. Amazing that Megyn Kelly refused to challenge any of the discrepancies from what JB said in police report vs what he said in interview. The one that stuck out to me was when JB said he didnt know the police officer that they spoke with prior to going into the station. He made it sound like it was a random officer but JB said in police report that he knew State Trooper Cpl Hutchings from working with him at his Car Dealership and Hutchings helped with inspections.

he cherrypicked the police officer and no know ones what he actually told Cpl Hutchins and how much detail he went into. I suspect that he choose a police officer he knew in order for him to scare Josh moreso than for the police to officially take any criminal action against Josh. now they know Hutchins credibility is now greatly diminished as he sits in jail for child porn. It is now convenient to spin this in their favor because they know people will believe JB over Hutchings at this point.

yes, JB technically went to the police but not really. He knew going in that the officer wasnt going to take things further and just minimized what Josh did as they spun the story he concocted to tell Hucthins as merely as a device to discipline and scare Josh.

I'm just amazed that any trained lawyer -- even if she's in the media now -- would allow such lies to fly right in front of her face. Illegally released reports? Just happened to confess to a child porn-loving police officer? No mention of JB lawyering up and refusing to take Josh to the station? Barely any concern about the daughters? Turning it into a red/blue issue? Or Christian persecution? FFS.

I suppose her paychecks from Fox help her deal with her own issues.

[tralala]

So a couple things from that statement. The police report clearly says that the victims knew what had happened and that they were aware of the no touching zones on their bodies. So either the kids were coached for the police or there was a major dropping of the ball when it comes to inappropriate touching that wasn't resolved until after the molestation. Something about this isn't adding up.

[MarcyMM]

Oh my :pink-shock:

http://www.people.com/article/jill-dugg ... _peoplemag

I'm not buying any of that for a single minute. MAYBE it really happened that way, but if the girls did not even know it happened (and they make it sound like he, what, patted their private parts lightly over their clothes?); why would the parents even say anything to them?

They need to just shut up. They're making themselves sound more and more crazy. And it's giving me a headache. :shifty:

[Johanna25]

Yup. I had friends who had to go to the school their parents wanted b/c their parents wouldn't fill out the FAFSA so they could get financial aid and go where they wanted.

I haven't experienced it myself, but I have read numerous accounts by children who escaped controlling fundy parents who actually had to wait 'til they were past 25 to attend college because their parents refused any cooperation in providing financial information. I understand that one can obtain financial aid without parental cooperation, but it seems that the school really has to go out of their way to make it possible. Most won't bother.

[Nic]

I'm just amazed that any trained lawyer -- even if she's in the media now -- would allow such lies to fly right in front of her face. Illegally released reports? Just happened to confess to a child porn-loving police officer? No mention of JB lawyering up and refusing to take Josh to the station? Barely any concern about the daughters? Turning it into a red/blue issue? Or Christian persecution? FFS.

I suppose her paychecks from Fox help her deal with her own issues.

She had a narrative that she wanted to sell. If she deeply questioned anything then her narrative would fall apart.

[DuggarCurls]

Here are some quotes from the girls in tonight's episode. basically, they want us to forget all about it and shut the fuck up! Now give them their damm spin-off show because "We are just a family, with challenges and struggles just like anybody else."

usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jill-duggar-on-brother-josh-duggar-we-are-not-a-perfect-family-201556#ixzz3cDPcC1Ij

I don't think I can hold back tonight on these two.

“Some people, I've heard them say, you know, ‘You're hypocrites.’ Well, if you go back and look at everything people have seen in our lives…we've never claimed to be a perfect family," an emotional Jill tells Kelly in the clip. “My parents have always actually stated…we are not a perfect family. We are just a family.â€

Adds Jessa: "With challenges and struggles just like anybody else."

Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar’s daughters reveal that they made the decision on their own to sit down with Kelly and discuss what happened. “As victims we have to come out and speak. This is something we chose,†Derick Dillard’s wife says in the Kelly File interview. “Nobody asked us to do this. Jessa and I were talking and we’re like, ‘Oh my goodness! Most of the stuff out there is lies — it’s not truth.’ So for truth’s sake, we want to come out and set the record straight.â€

“It’s right to say, ‘Here’s what I believe, here’s my values,’ even if you’ve made stupid mistakes or failures,†Ben Seewald’s wife, 22, tells Kelly. “If you’ve had failures in your past it doesn’t mean you can’t be changed. I think that’s where, I think the real issue is people are making this sound like it happened yesterday.â€

[VelociRapture]

I agree.

I had an uncle who began to groom me when I was 8. He would stroke me over my clothes and his behavior continued to progress. I didn't tell, not because I was afraid that I wouldn't be believed, but because I knew it would change everything in our family. My mom and my aunt were extremely close, and my dad and uncle were good friends as well.

I felt guilt over the possibility of my parents losing that closeness with the rest of the family. I began to have nightmares. One night I swung my legs over the bed and almost stepped on my mom. She was sleeping on the floor next to me so she could be there if I had another nightmare. She knew something was going on and was determined to help me. This is what good parents do. I told.

My dad is soft-spoken and kind, but I'll never forget his reaction. He had to be restrained from driving over to my uncle's home. I had never seen my parents this upset. Not once, ever, was I made to feel it was in ANY way my fault. I was loved, I knew it, and I was top priority.

Life changed. Being around my aunt and uncle was uncomfortable since my uncle lied and my aunt believed him. We still saw him every so often for family events, but I knew if he even looked at me that my dad would hop to and make him regret even a glance. I know it was painful for my mom to lose the closeness with my aunt, but tough decisions had to be made and my needs came first.

I was empowered by my parents, and that made all the difference.

I'm sorry for the long narration, but my point is this: those girls were NEVER empowered to make their own decision on when, or if, they would forgive. The only concern shown was for Josh. Jim Bob and Michelle focus on his "mistake", but not on the effects it may have had on their daughters. Any damage done to them by allowing Josh to remain in the home, by not being willing to make a tough decision to place him elsewhere permanently, to do anything to ensure that the girls felt safe and comfortable in their own home, well, it was OK as long as Josh was coddled and protected. They can't wrap their minds around the fact that he committed a crime, and can't even call it sinning. He's so very sorry for his "mistake".

It was only ever about Josh and doing what was easiest for Jim Bob and Michelle and damn the consequences to anyone else.

I just wanted to say a few things:

First, I am so sorry that your Uncle targeted you in that way. It takes a truly sick person to take advantage of a child in that way, especially when that child trusts the adult.

Secondly, your parents sound absolutely incredible. It must have been quite difficult for them to accept what was happening. . . but they still accepted it and still took real steps to prevent further harm being inflicted on you. It must have been a huge comfort to know that your parents were more than willing to step up and protect you when you needed it most.

Finally, I absolutely agree with you about the Duggar's situation. None of the girls were prioritized by their parents in the way you were by yours. The contrasts between the two are incredibly striking.

I will say, I highly doubt that the Duggar parents even thought about doing what was going to keep Josh protected. I think protecting him was an afterthought and it was all about how best to protect their reputations. None of those kids got the help they deserved because their parents cared more about themselves and their reputations than their children. . . and that truly is sickening.

[HarleyQuinn]

have to chime in here. Amazing that Megyn Kelly refused to challenge any of the discrepancies from what JB said in police report vs what he said in interview. The one that stuck out to me was when JB said he didnt know the police officer that they spoke with prior to going into the station. He made it sound like it was a random officer but JB said in police report that he knew State Trooper Cpl Hutchings from working with him at his Car Dealership and Hutchings helped with inspections.

he cherrypicked the police officer and no know ones what he actually told Cpl Hutchins and how much detail he went into. I suspect that he choose a police officer he knew in order for him to scare Josh moreso than for the police to officially take any criminal action against Josh. now they know Hutchins credibility is now greatly diminished as he sits in jail for child porn. It is now convenient to spin this in their favor because they know people will believe JB over Hutchings at this point.

yes, JB technically went to the police but not really. He knew going in that the officer wasnt going to take things further and just minimized what Josh did as they spun the story he concocted to tell Hucthins as merely as a device to discipline and scare Josh.

Megyn Kelly was never going to challenge them in any way. She couldn't even be bothered to fact check whether or not the reports were legally leaked.

[Evenkeel]

What Jessa says that Boob told her about "forgiveness with boundaries" is nearly verbatim to what Boob says about it in "unseen footage." I don't know how to feel about that.

[SpoonfulOSugar]

In December 2006 the family was in Chicago to go on the Oprah Winfrey show. Somebody leaked the story to Oprah’s production company. Harpo studios faxed a letter to authorities and a police investigation was formally opened.

They told police that Josh had been inappropriate with five girls. They were interviewed and confirmed that Josh was sent to a Christian treatment program. Each victim said no other reviews had taken place by anyone else or by Josh after counseling. It was determined that the three- year statute of limitations had run and authorities decided not to bring charges.

In 2008 their tv-show is launched. The family â€had nothing to hide†since everything was taken care of years before and they had â€a clean bill of health from the stateâ€. They thought everything was in a sealed juvenile record that under law couldn’t be brought out.

Using just this portion of the narrative - I see a huge hole. True, the show didn't start until 2008, but the specials filmed earlier . . . around the 2006 investigation. Having experienced that investigation:

a) They really thought they had nothing to hide? Then why wasn't this issue discussed on the show? If it really is nothing but a forgiven sin, why not testify?

b) They didn't sense any disconnect between presenting themselves as a wholesome Christian family with all the answers and reality? Really?

[SassyPants]

Here are some quotes from the girls in tonight's episode. basically, they want us to forget all about it and shut the fuck up! Now give them their damm spin-off show because "We are just a family, with challenges and struggles just like anybody else."

usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jill-duggar-on-brother-josh-duggar-we-are-not-a-perfect-family-201556#ixzz3cDPcC1Ij

I don't think I can hold back tonight on these two.

They cannot have both privacy and a hit reality TV show.

Money or privacy-

If they go with the money, they had better develop a tougher, more gracious outer skin.

Personally, I can't think of one of the adults in the series that can currently do such.

[Nic]

Here are some quotes from the girls in tonight's episode. basically, they want us to forget all about it and shut the fuck up! Now give them their damm spin-off show because "We are just a family, with challenges and struggles just like anybody else."

usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jill-duggar-on-brother-josh-duggar-we-are-not-a-perfect-family-201556#ixzz3cDPcC1Ij

I don't think I can hold back tonight on these two.

I like how it's the just the 2 of them chatting about how Josh is wronged, and that's why they are doing the interview. Was Jinger not involved in any of these convos? Say it how it is, we're the ones with a tv career still in the works, so we need to save our bacon.

And honestly, if Jill is that much stressed where she is crying about it, maybe Josh and the parents might say you know what, Jillymuffin, we'll take the hit. Why make you go out there on national tv that upset. Maybe wait until you're less upset, or you know what, we'll just take the hit. Your peace of mind is more important.

[N The Prayer Closet]

Don Lemon on CNN last night was AMAZING. In a teaser before the commercial break he stared angrily at the camera and stated, "When is Josh Duggar going to man up?!" Why didn't Megyn Kelly ask about where Josh is currently or even address why he wasn't a part of the interview? I will totally move past this and stop calling him a perverted coward (I'm lying) if he's holed up in an Arkansas trailer park swigging vodka while hammering out the first chapters of his tell-all. Do it, Josh. The public will redeem you and then you can take the book money and flee the country with what's left of your family.

[skulduggery]

It took of lot of frustrating thoughts spinning in my head about their religion in general to come to that epiphany. What upsets me most about their religion (I'm not Christian, but respect most liberal forms of all religions), is that to them humans are basically unevolved creatures. The only hope is following blind rules. I always hear the idea, "there is no morality without God." Never understood that. I'm a good person who doesn't want to hurt people, with or without rules. Key being "empathy". When Mich says Josh has a "tender heart" does she mean "empathy" or "a submissive attitude"?

I mean, are they that infantile? Are the 10 Commandments the only thing keeping them from killing their neighbor and cheating on their spouse after 30 years of following this religion? JB showed in the interview that he WANTS to be able to fall back on legalizes, not ethics or morality of doing the right thing, despite what the law says. The legal system in our country is NOT statutory (like theocracy's would be), for the very reason that we are humane and take circumstances into account. Does this family understand this? Even hardened criminals TRY to show a judge that they have remorse to gain mercy and compassion. But not JB.

Is this why they "train", not "teach" their children? Training inplies blindly following rules. To teach someone means they have a higher understanding of "why". Pretty sad view of the humanity they are showing their kids.

Yes, this. There's no true empathy towards their daughters or even Josh, just cover up the shame so it doesn't reflect badly on THEM as parents. "WE were upset, WE were devestated, WE felt like failures..." They don't see that the girls had human rights, they only saw that Josh "violated God's principles."

It's almost like they have no internal guiding system, so what they lack by way of conscience, empathy or understanding right from wrong they replace with the Bible. They presume everyone else must be like them and not know how to relate with others, so they bible thump everyone else. It's like the mentality of European colonists who called nonwhite peoples "savages in need of civilizing" when the indigenous peoples weren't the ones conquering entire continents. Comparing that with the Duggars, they are the ones who want to enforce their will upon women and LGBTQA people to dictate how to live their lives, but they cannot raise their own kids to understand what human rights are so who are the real sinners here?

[chelleinchicago]

QUOTE TRIMMED

There is only ONE answer to this situation. "We were young, we were scared, and we failed our children. We know now that trying to handle this ourselves was a mistake and we ask forgiveness from ALL of our children for the harm that we have caused. We encourage families in a similar situation to call (insert number Megyn keeps flashing) or their local family services agency immediately."

Thats it. No blaming, no excuses, no deflection. The truth shall set you free.

***I am naive. I really thought the response that you posted below was ultimately what we were going to hear JB and M say.

Whoever the Duggars used as a communication advisor was not very good, either that or JB did not listen. I would assume the plan was for JB to resurrect the family's image and to keep the show airing. In order to do such, any decent advisor would have coached the Duggars in how to avoid going low; and to say what needed to be said without throwing other people under the bus. To make clear statements that did not point fingers or place blame on others.

Good communication facilitators are like having a crystal ball in your possession.

[Evenkeel]

Oh, and in the sound bites it sure looks like Jessa is talking about victims as third party people, not herself. Not to mention that she says the "extent" of it was touching outside of clothes, which is a total lie. That makes it even worse that they'd be interviewing a non-victim alongside a victim.

[paganhomeschooler]

This is something I don't get. If we are calling Josh an adult at 14, then his sisters (except JoyAnna) were adults too. They are all really close in age.

How can 14 be an adult but 12 be a child?

In reality, they were all kids. I dont hate the Duggars so much as to elevate a 14 year old to adult status just so I can hate on him more.

I feel terrible for the girls, but I also have some empathy for Josh. I'm trying to imagine what it was like to be a teen boy in that household. There were no other boys his age (other than JD, who seems a very different type). His mother is constantly distracted with babies and pregnancies. The house filled with little kids. Whether or not he liked little kids, he was with them 24/7. He had no sports, no camps, and very little school. No activities, other than Bible stuff. Very little sex education, other than the reminders to be pure. No electronics, no computer, no secular music--none of the things that make teens happy. It seems like a very boring, lonely, frustrating, confusing life. It doesn't surprise me that sexual abuse is rampant in such households.

I always felt Josh seemed disheveled and sad, especially in the last few years. He seemed to be just going through the motions. He definitely didn't seem to want so many kids. I never got the "smug" vibe that so many people seem to get.

I think his parents set him for this failure. Perhaps a TV show might've been OK, if they'd been honest. But to pretend to be perfect and pure when there was this dark secret is just setting Josh up for failure.

I know I am not personally trying to say he was an adult. I'm just saying it's crap that he didn't know better at 14 than to touch his sisters. That seems to be the excuse that not only the Duggars, but a couple of posters on here seem to have, and it just isn't right. A teenager should know that is wrong, end of story. Even most tweens should know that it's wrong!

[Clementine]

Using just this portion of the narrative - I see a huge hole. True, the show didn't start until 2008, but the specials filmed earlier . . . around the 2006 investigation. Having experienced that investigation:

a) They really thought they had nothing to hide? Then why wasn't this issue discussed on the show? If it really is nothing but a forgiven sin, why not testify?

b) They didn't sense any disconnect between presenting themselves as a wholesome Christian family with all the answers and reality? Really?

Here's the only portion where they discuss the time between the molestation and the 2006 visit to Oprah:

"KELLY: Ok, so it's all behind you, for all intents and purposes. Then in 2008, you launched a reality TV show. What would make you launch a reality TV show about your family given this past?

J.B. DUGGAR: You know, back early on, it was after all this was taken care of in 2002-2003, we actually had a magazine that came to Michelle and said, hey, can we do a story about your family? And we said yes, that would be fine.

KELLY: But are you thinking at all, wait, this might not be a good idea because when you bring cameras into your home, they tend to discover things and people get more interested in you.

J.B. DUGGAR: We had nothing to hide. We had taken care of all that years before. And when they asked us to do the reality TV show, all of this had been taken care of five years before and we had a clean bill of health from the state. We said you had gone through counseling, you told the police..."

[justoneoftwo]

Oh, and in the sound bites it sure looks like Jessa is talking about victims as third party people, not herself. Not to mention that she says the "extent" of it was touching outside of clothes, which is a total lie. That makes it even worse that they'd be interviewing a non-victim alongside a victim.

We don't know this, unless I missed someone definitively saying it. In fact it seems likely they are not doing this unless we are told otherwise.

[Evenkeel]

More thoughts. Jill was talking about "no one made them do this interview." I can accept that that may be true, if only from the standpoint that they were told "if you want any chance of keeping our show then you'd better tell them the "right" story." But where she and Jessa talk about not being forced to forgive-that is 100% pure and utter bullshit.

[JenniferJuniper]

I like how it's the just the 2 of them chatting about how Josh is wronged, and that's why they are doing the interview. Was Jinger not involved in any of these convos? Say it how it is, we're the ones with a tv career still in the works, so we need to save our bacon.

And honestly, if Jill is that much stressed where she is crying about it, maybe Josh and the parents might say you know what, Jillymuffin, we'll take the hit. Why make you go out there on national tv that upset. Maybe wait until you're less upset, or you know what, we'll just take the hit. Your peace of mind is more important.

Jim Bob probably wouldn't have Jinger speak of such things because 1) She's not a married lady and 2) She's not a married lady and he doesn't want to call any more attention to her lest a prospective fundie suitor see her as damaged goods.

What's beginning to piss me off about these two victims who claim they had no idea he even touched them (I don't believe that for a second, but that's what they claim) is the fact that two of their little sisters were assaulted while they were fully awake and at least one was directly fondled on her genitals under her clothing. Apparently that's okay?

Seriously, Duggars, go away now.

[SassyPants]

This was one part that stood out to me: they didn't lean on God, but on Gothard and his programs. But I also suspect that some of the heavy editing had to do with eliminating weird Biblical justifications for why it's okay for your son to repeatedly molest your daughters with your knowledge, while also maintaining that the Bible condemns anyone not 100% heterosexual.

I'm also amazed at their use of words: Jessa can be a "victim," yet Josh is NOT any kind of "molester."

Ultimately,though, I'm very impressed by how thoroughly and completely they disregarded their daughters. Nearly the entire interview was about Josh; even when Kelly specifically asked, 'as the father of your daughters,' JB STILL redirected the conversation to Josh.

With their purity culture ideals, I'm terrified about how those messages were received by the girls. JB made clear in the interview that he only sent Josh away because he was suddenly targeting the 5 year old. How much blame was he putting on the other girls, one of whom was 8 at the time? I know we shouldn't try to psychoanalyze via television, but some of the odd statements which have resonated oddly with the viewing audience now make much more sense.

I feel so much sympathy for those girls, brought up thinking their parents only and always have their best interests at heart, when they clearly favored the boys by such an incredible degree. Was it skulduggery who said they were raised to first be a hymen, then a uterus? So accurate; so depressing.

On a side note, I went to the grocery store today and got the new InTouch (feel compelled to support the good work they're doing). The lady bagging the groceries brought up the story and had some information and found it disgusting, but the check out lady had been avoiding the story. She was shocked to hear what the other worker and I had to say about it. All that to say, there are still a LOT of people out there not paying attention to these news breaks.

Can't believe there's going to be more on tonight. How much bullshit does the FCC allow on TV?

And here's where you see a disconnect in critical thinking, an area where the Duggars consistently get slammed. If there is no perpetrator/criminal/molester/abuser, there can be no victims.

You've been media darlings for many years, why would they turn on you now and victimize you?

Cause...effect

Actions....consequences

The Duggars cannot or will not connect the dots. Which is it, idiocy or arrogance?