The Duggars' Megyn Kelly Lie-a-Thon Shit Show- Part 2

[Jilltoo]

I was being sarcastic. And apparently, my sarcas-to-meter is broken because that didn't come off quite as funny in writing as it did in my head. My bad.

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't michelle say in the interview that as part of their 'safety measures', no boys were allowed to babysit the girls? If that is true, why did the four older girls go with josh on a road trip to see Anna in Florida?

Perhaps because a camera was in their car and the TLC crew was following them?

[lookinggoodforjesus]

I feel like JB and JChelle have totally washed their hands of responsibility. They feel like they did everything "right" and everything they could raising their kids. If one of their kids "made bad choices", that's not their problem, because they raised their kids the best they could. If a lot of parents wanted to say that, that's fine. But not these people. This only happened because they were so isolated and raised by total creeps. In real life, Josh would have had a girlfriend or two by 14. He probably would have gotten a handjob. Admittedly, I live in a "liberal" area, but in my area that's common for 14. Instead, Josh had the natural urges, but the only girls he was exposed to were his sisters. Now, to touch your sisters is absolutely not okay, creepy parents or not, but fact that JB and M refuse to admit that maybe his choices had something to do with his upbringing? That's despicable. How arrogant. Like at least maybe let it run through your mind that maybe, just maybe, it was caused by something you did. Maybe there is NO STYLE of parenting that "keeps kids pure". Maybe that truly is a stupid fantasy.

[usmcmom]

I wonder if Josh is in any shape to appear on television, right now. It is quite possible that this has left him ravaged mentally and rightfully so. Then I read an article last night where an unnamed source who is close to Anna said that Anna is thinking about leaving Josh and taking the kids with her to her parent's house. But who knows if that is true you can't trust articles that won't identify their source. But I bet Josh is in hiding and can't even get out of the house and is probably not eating or sleeping much. Michelle has definitely lost a lot of weight in the last few weeks. I bet Josh looks likes hell right about now. He may need to be placed into a psychiatric facility by the time this is over with.

I think Josh has looked like hell for the last couple years. He looks like he barely bothers to shower or groom himself. His clothes are always rumpled and his hair and beard always look scruffy. If he's become even worse...yuck. You are more charitable than I about his mental state. I assume he's too arrogant to feel crappy about all of this, other than to yell "persecution!" I'm sure he sees this crime of his as trivial as his parents do. I think he's just angry - not at all depressed or regretful.

Please forgive me if I misread your post. Perhaps we are thinking along the same lines and I'm too coffee-free at the moment to grasp it.

[FundieFarmer]

EXACTLY!! And, I reiterate again, I have a 14 yo in my home right now. She KNOWS that it is wrong to touch someone in a sexual way without consent. She's not feeling up her baby brother when she reads him a story!!!!! She recently had a friend try to kiss her without her consent, and she said it didn't feel right and distanced herself from that person. Teenagers are old enough to know better. They may not make the right choice, but they do have the knowledge. My other kids are 10, 11, and 7. They ALSO know it is inappropriate to touch someone else on their genitals.

This is not an "oopsy, Josh was just a little child" moment. He was old enough to know what he was doing was wrong. Which is why, if it's to be believed, he went and confessed in tears. He knew he was wrong. How is this even an argument?!?!

In the interview, JB/M said they reminded their children about "good and bad touch". In the same breath, they also asserted the girls didn't know that what Josh was doing was wrong.

In order to remind someone of something, you have to have already told them. If their argument about the girls not knowing what Josh was doing was wrong is actually true, then I think it stands to reason they never taught the girls about acceptable touch. It would mean that no child would be aware of what unhealthy or dangerous sexual contact looks like, especially in the context of Josh's actions. This would have bred a situation of complete sexual ignorance, which is a dangerous and grievous enough error on its own.

However, if they did indeed actually remind them of good vs. bad sexual touch as they implied (indicating they had already taught the girls what was right/wrong regarding sexual-type contact), then the girls did in fact know that Josh's touching was wrong and did actually know what was happening- contradictory to JB/M's blatant assertions.

Based on the girls' reactions to the situations where they were awake, as told in the police report, it seems evident the girls were aware of what happened. One girl cried in the police interview when recounting her story, and the youngest victim reported that "it felt weird" when Josh touched her. Arguing that the girls did not know what happened, much less didn't remember, is a poorly executed straw man when held up against the police report, and basically hangs them as parents either way.

[justbecause]

This is really interesting ... A behavioral expert weighs in on the interview.

‘Complete Deception!’ Jim Bob & Michelle ‘Lying’ During Megyn Kelly Interview, Says Behavioral Analyst Expert

"Now, behavioral analyst Dr. Lillian Glass– who has served as an expert witness in Federal criminal cases involving child molestation — is weighing in with her own opinion to RadarOnline.com. “As a body language expert and behavioral analyst, I am absolutely sickened by this,†she said, alleging that the Duggars were “lying and deceptive throughout the entire interview.â€

Another tell-tale sign that the Duggar's could have been lying, according to Dr. Glass is that "Michelle would look to him for him constantly for reassurance when she speaks. She is constantly volunteering too much information, which is another sign that she is lying. She lies throughout the entire interview."

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Fox News Channel's Kelly hit Jim Bob and Michelle with hard questions on Wednesday during the shocking interview. After seeing Josh Duggar's parents talk about how they learned about his molestation attempts, Dr. Glass, who is an expert in vocal and behavioral forensics, tells Radar, "In answering the first question, Jim Bob shows the palms of his hands which shows he is lying. Also, Michelle volunteers too much information which is a form of deception."

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Another tell-tale sign that the Duggar's could have been lying, according to Dr. Glass is that "Michelle would look to him for him constantly for reassurance when she speaks. She is constantly volunteering too much information, which is another sign that she is lying. She lies throughout the entire interview."

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"He knew that he was wrong," says Michelle Duggar. "But they weren't even aware," Glass claims, referring to the molestation of Josh Duggar's younger sisters. "The fact that Josh Duggar was not at this interview says it all. He doesn't need his parents there trying to protect him."

"The water works were the worst," Dr. Glass tells Radar after seeing Michelle's on-camera crying. "Michelle pretends she is crying but there are no tears. No one cries without tears. She is sobbing and there are absolutely no tears! Another thing that struck me is that Michelle wiped one eye at a time. You don't cry one eye at a time."

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Fox News Channel's Kelly hit Jim Bob and Michelle with hard questions on Wednesday during the shocking interview. After seeing Josh Duggar's parents talk about how they learned about his molestation attempts, Dr. Glass, who is an expert in vocal and behavioral forensics, tells Radar, "In answering the first question, Jim Bob shows the palms of his hands which shows he is lying. Also, Michelle volunteers too much information which is a form of deception."

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Another tell-tale sign that the Duggar's could have been lying, according to Dr. Glass is that "Michelle would look to him for him constantly for reassurance when she speaks. She is constantly volunteering too much information, which is another sign that she is lying. She lies throughout the entire interview."

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"He knew that he was wrong," says Michelle Duggar. "But they weren't even aware," Glass claims, referring to the molestation of Josh Duggar's younger sisters. "The fact that Josh Duggar was not at this interview says it all. He doesn't need his parents there trying to protect him."

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"The water works were the worst," Dr. Glass tells Radar after seeing Michelle's on-camera crying. "Michelle pretends she is crying but there are no tears. No one cries without tears. She is sobbing and there are absolutely no tears! Another thing that struck me is that Michelle wiped one eye at a time. You don't cry one eye at a time."

"Michelle Duggar it is loaded with deception. She tells too much story and embellishment and gives too much away. It is such complete deception," Dr. Glass tells Radar.

You guys can read the rest.

http://radaronline.com/photos/jim-bob-duggar-michelle-duggar-lying-interview-behavior-analyst-photos/photo/1061549/

[MisUndrstd]

I think Josh has looked like hell for the last couple years. He looks like he barely bothers to shower or groom himself. His clothes are always rumpled and his hair and beard always look scruffy. If he's become even worse...yuck. You are more charitable than I about his mental state. I assume he's too arrogant to feel crappy about all of this, other than to yell "persecution!" I'm sure he sees this crime of his as trivial as his parents do. I think he's just angry - not at all depressed or regretful.

Please forgive me if I misread your post. Perhaps we are thinking along the same lines and I'm too coffee-free at the moment to grasp it.

No, I totally get where you are coming from. From his apparent arrogance it is very conceivable that he feels like a victim instead of the perpetrator. Maybe I'm putting too much of how I would feel in speculating how Josh feels right now. I know I would be one step away from the padded room if I were him at this point. But Josh with all of his arrogance maybe processing this entirely different than what a "normal" person would.

[halcionne]

I really wonder about the whole police thing. And by wonder, I mean I don't believe it. JB said he researched and found the juvi system lacking in rehabbing young pedo's. So he wants Joshie not to go there, but have effective treatment on a construction site. OK. So now that Josh has rec'd said treatment and is no longer a threat to sleeping children, JB is now willing to throw the dice and just walk into the local precinct and have his son confess to his criminal activities?

No lawyer? Just a witness?

Then lucky lucky he got a guy who was an acquaintance who gave Josh a stern talking. Then Josh, JB, and witness leave without knowing what would happen next? The cop didn't give JB the winkity wink and whisper to him, I hope this lecture sorts it out for you? JB didn't ask OK what's going to happen?

JB left the police station with his scared kid saying, gee son, I know this guy just probably scared the shit out of you, who knows what's gonna happen next to you in the legal system. Maybe the cops will come for you... who knows. And JB and Meechelle said for months they didn't know if anything was going to come of Joshie's confession to the cop... really??

This is the part of the interview that stuck out to me as diverting most from the police report. (IMO it seemed that they were coached to say only what we already knew from the report; they gave very little new information.) JB was very clear in the report that they sought Hutchens out because JB knew him from his car dealership business.

We at FJ have long considered the Duggars liars, but they usually lie by omission or evasion, which is a type of dishonesty that pedantic legalists like them can delude themselves into believing that they haven't actually lied. The statement above is a bold-faced lie. You can't dance around that, Jim Bob.

[N The Prayer Closet]

Jessa and Jill sound as if they're struggling very hard to keep sweet.

I don't want to hear from the married daughters. I want to hear from Jinger and Jana. Please, please, please Ellen DeGeneres/Oprah/anyone!!! sweep in and give them unlimited counseling and full college scholarships!!

[Cochise]

How different do think the public perception would have been about the interview if JB and Michelle would have totally humbled themselves on camera and admitted they suck?

I think the public perception would have been greatly different, but I also think that it would have been pretty much impossible for JB and Michelle even to THINK that they handled things badly. They're so involved in themselves and the legend that they are great parents that any insight along the lines of "We screwed up!" seem impossible. The whole point of the Kelly interview, to them, seems like saying "WE didn't do anything wrong! WE handled it perfectly!" again and again, despite Michelle saying they felt like failures. Since the point was "We didn't do anything wrong!" the focus is all on them. Nary a thought for the young people involved.

I'm not exactly sympathetic to Josh, but I've given some thought to what things must be like for him now. His life is ruined; from here on out, the fact that he molested young girls--including his five year old sister--is going to dog him through life. You'd think parents who had some love and concern would display that. But JB and Michelle didn't give a thought to how things must be for him now or how his wife might feel; they were all about how they did exactly what they should have done, every step of the way, and how they "protected" the girls with a set of bizarre and disfunctional rules, sometime after the third time they learned about the abuse. Some of their daughters got outed as victims / survivors, but JB and Michelle can't put themselves in their daughters' minds and show empathy for them; all they can do is get angry, because SOMEBODY DID THE WRONG THING (in their minds) and released the information to "Us" magazine. Everything was just peachy and tied up with a big bow till then!

They're so unconcerned about how the girls felt that they can't even get it straight--did they know what he did or didn't they? Was it over their clothes or under? What the HELL did that poor child sitting on Josh's lap think? Is SHE okay? Are all those girls--including the babysitter--okay? Should we have put a lock on the girls' bedroom door as a first measure? They can't think that way--for Jim Bob and Michelle the point is that THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG!

Any guesses about what Josh was reading the 5 year old? My vote is for "Lolita."

Another stray thought about their belated response to Josh's molestation--was he doing this construction job at a time when he should have been receiving home schooling? I think learning to do construction could be incredibly educational and useful. I wish I'd learned something about it. But is it part of the curriculum? Or perhaps it was during a vacation?

I know this may be out of place and I don't mean to argue with anyone, but I am actually beginning to feel for Josh (providing he's not molesting his daughter, providing he's not blaming everybody else for what HE did). He's probably unemployable, at least in America, unless Jim Bob can find him some job in a back room where the public doesn't interact with him. If he goes out in public probably the nicest thing that's going to happen is having people spit on his shoes. He's got to know that people are wondering if he's molested his daughter (and if he is, let's throw him in the clink and toss away the key). I doubt that he's getting a lot of love from his parents. Their focus is on saying "We're perfect! We handled things just fine!" rather than on their kids. And the louder they insist on that, the worse they come across. Humbling themselves and saying "We screwed up royally" isn't possible for them, since they don't seem mentally able to process that yeah, they screwed up royally for FIVE of their children and someone else's child. Too many watched the show; they got the impression that they were just GREAT. They think they're America's best loved parents. They're narcissistic creeps.

[Cochise]

Actually, my guess is that Josh is going out late at night and buying a whole lot of beer. A WHOLE lot of beer.

[martian]

Hmmm. Veeeeeery interesting. And do we know what happened that they are (apparently) no longer "best friends"?

ETA: Never mind, I see that that is a whole other fustercluck. Though, I did find a recent Star article where it states that Holt didn't know about the molestation until he was looking for the "sin in the camp."

One of the stories is that "sin in the camp" was Josh looking at pornography and that broke up the *second* Holt betrothal. Allegedly, the first time the betrothal was broken was maybe after Josh had yet more incidents of molesting after being disciplined? I'd have to go diving to find all the relevant sources and I won't be able to do that until tonight, probably. Off the top of my head, there were two Holt betrothals with the first being when Josh was 14. Since Jim Bob claims Josh was barely 14 when he first molested his sisters, the timing seems very significant. It all seems improbable, but I think these people might be even crazier and more insular than they already seem. Getting Josh married off at the first possible opportunity so that his sexual desires can be "righteously fulfilled" seems to me to fit with their retrograde and just generally wrongheaded attitudes about human sexuality.

[TaterTotRancher]

I cannot figure out why the girls are doing this interview. People will watch this and come to this with their minds already made up. Anyone who does not like the Duggars will discount everything and nitpick everything they say and Duggar fans will hang on every word like it is the gospel truth. This interview will only reinforce what the viewer already thinks. Anyone with PR experience? Why would they be allowed to do this? Are they gauging the viewership for a possible return to TLC? What do they hope to gain? I understand the Duggars themselves may not be as PR savvy as they like to think they are but their PR firm must have a method to the madness. Any PR people I would love to hear your thoughts.

[Clementine]

This is really interesting ... A behavioral expert weighs in on the interview.

‘Complete Deception!’ Jim Bob & Michelle ‘Lying’ During Megyn Kelly Interview, Says Behavioral Analyst Expert

"Now, behavioral analyst Dr. Lillian Glass– who has served as an expert witness in Federal criminal cases involving child molestation — is weighing in with her own opinion to RadarOnline.com. “As a body language expert and behavioral analyst, I am absolutely sickened by this,†she said, alleging that the Duggars were “lying and deceptive throughout the entire interview.â€

Another tell-tale sign that the Duggar's could have been lying, according to Dr. Glass is that "Michelle would look to him for him constantly for reassurance when she speaks. She is constantly volunteering too much information, which is another sign that she is lying. She lies throughout the entire interview."

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Fox News Channel's Kelly hit Jim Bob and Michelle with hard questions on Wednesday during the shocking interview. After seeing Josh Duggar's parents talk about how they learned about his molestation attempts, Dr. Glass, who is an expert in vocal and behavioral forensics, tells Radar, "In answering the first question, Jim Bob shows the palms of his hands which shows he is lying. Also, Michelle volunteers too much information which is a form of deception."

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Another tell-tale sign that the Duggar's could have been lying, according to Dr. Glass is that "Michelle would look to him for him constantly for reassurance when she speaks. She is constantly volunteering too much information, which is another sign that she is lying. She lies throughout the entire interview."

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"He knew that he was wrong," says Michelle Duggar. "But they weren't even aware," Glass claims, referring to the molestation of Josh Duggar's younger sisters. "The fact that Josh Duggar was not at this interview says it all. He doesn't need his parents there trying to protect him."

"The water works were the worst," Dr. Glass tells Radar after seeing Michelle's on-camera crying. "Michelle pretends she is crying but there are no tears. No one cries without tears. She is sobbing and there are absolutely no tears! Another thing that struck me is that Michelle wiped one eye at a time. You don't cry one eye at a time."

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Fox News Channel's Kelly hit Jim Bob and Michelle with hard questions on Wednesday during the shocking interview. After seeing Josh Duggar's parents talk about how they learned about his molestation attempts, Dr. Glass, who is an expert in vocal and behavioral forensics, tells Radar, "In answering the first question, Jim Bob shows the palms of his hands which shows he is lying. Also, Michelle volunteers too much information which is a form of deception."

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Another tell-tale sign that the Duggar's could have been lying, according to Dr. Glass is that "Michelle would look to him for him constantly for reassurance when she speaks. She is constantly volunteering too much information, which is another sign that she is lying. She lies throughout the entire interview."

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"He knew that he was wrong," says Michelle Duggar. "But they weren't even aware," Glass claims, referring to the molestation of Josh Duggar's younger sisters. "The fact that Josh Duggar was not at this interview says it all. He doesn't need his parents there trying to protect him."

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"The water works were the worst," Dr. Glass tells Radar after seeing Michelle's on-camera crying. "Michelle pretends she is crying but there are no tears. No one cries without tears. She is sobbing and there are absolutely no tears! Another thing that struck me is that Michelle wiped one eye at a time. You don't cry one eye at a time."

"Michelle Duggar it is loaded with deception. She tells too much story and embellishment and gives too much away. It is such complete deception," Dr. Glass tells Radar.

You guys can read the rest.

http://radaronline.com/photos/jim-bob-d ... o/1061549/

I read the post on Dr. Glass blog. Michelle always looks at JB for reassurance when she is talking, it's nothing new for this situation.

And yes, you can cry without tears, some people do, and it's perfectly normal to wipe one eye at the time when you try to wipe tears away in a discrete way, like when you are interviewed on tv.

After reading the blog, Dr. Glass came across as a rather scary person. I might even say "toxic", one of her favourite words to use for people. She claims that Tina Fey was responsible for the suicide of Dr. Fredrick Brandt and also writes a whole post about a nurse that she thinks treated her badly at a hospital, publishing the nurse's name. (WTF?) Based on the photos she has seen of Kim Kardashian and Kanye West interacting with their daughter, she says that "they need to get some family counseling now before it is too late for Nori".

Dr. Glass also "reaches out to" Caitlyn Jenner to contact her so she can help her get a more feminine body language. (And a lot of cash and a place in the spotlight, I presume.)

Dr. Glass gives me a really, really creepy vibe.

[umsami]

From https://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/

Yes, I agree that Dr. Glass can be a little weird/scary,..she's been around a long time, as far as I remember....but I have to say, she's spot on with this:

"I have always warned my readers and those who attend my seminars that whenever you hear a person – especially a grown woman with a sickening sweet breathy baby girl voice, know that something is not right with that person. They are usually passive aggressive and they are not being authentic. They have something to hide."

Yup, preach it.

[violynn]

I read the post on Dr. Glass blog. Michelle always looks at JB for reassurance when she is talking, it's nothing new for this situation.

And yes, you can cry without tears, some people do, and it's perfectly normal to wipe one eye at the time when you try to wipe tears away in a discrete way, like when you are interviewed on tv.

After reading the blog, Dr. Glass came across as a rather scary person. I might even say "toxic", one of her favourite words to use for people. She claims that Tina Fey was responsible for the suicide of Dr. Fredrick Brandt and also writes a whole post about a nurse that she thinks treated her badly at a hospital, publishing the nurse's name. (WTF?) Based on the photos she has seen of Kim Kardashian and Kanye West interacting with their daughter, she says that "they need to get some family counseling now before it is too late for Nori".

Dr. Glass also "reaches out to" Caitlyn Jenner to contact her so she can help her get a more feminine body language. (And a lot of cash and a place in the spotlight, I presume.)

Dr. Glass gives me a really, really creepy vibe.

Me too! I waded through about half of Dr. Glass' interview, but when it became obvious the doc knew nothing about the Duggars ,I stopped. Michelle looking at JB for reassurance means she's lying? Wow. M'chelle must be lying with every word out of her mouth then b/c she ALWAYS looks at him like that. Same for Anna with Josh, Jill and Derick. Kudos to Jessa for not doing that much so far...I think Ben is the one fawning over Jessa.

Michelle was constantly volunteering too much information? Really, she barely spoke compared to JB!

This 'Dr.' Glass is so full of it. :?

[justbecause]

I don't want to hear from the married daughters. I want to hear from Jinger and Jana. Please, please, please Ellen DeGeneres/Oprah/anyone!!! sweep in and give them unlimited counseling and full college scholarships!!

Why can't these girls apply for financial aid and loans like the millions of other American's that cannot afford college outright? Why are they unable to attend college if that would be their choice? Many kids that are right out of high school do not have funds from their parents, yet still are able to go to college.

This college argument to me seems odd.

[Pandie5]

This! This was the fibe they gave during the interview!

It took of lot of frustrating thoughts spinning in my head about their religion in general to come to that epiphany. What upsets me most about their religion (I'm not Christian, but respect most liberal forms of all religions), is that to them humans are basically unevolved creatures. The only hope is following blind rules. I always hear the idea, "there is no morality without God." Never understood that. I'm a good person who doesn't want to hurt people, with or without rules. Key being "empathy". When Mich says Josh has a "tender heart" does she mean "empathy" or "a submissive attitude"?

I mean, are they that infantile? Are the 10 Commandments the only thing keeping them from killing their neighbor and cheating on their spouse after 30 years of following this religion? JB showed in the interview that he WANTS to be able to fall back on legalizes, not ethics or morality of doing the right thing, despite what the law says. The legal system in our country is NOT statutory (like theocracy's would be), for the very reason that we are humane and take circumstances into account. Does this family understand this? Even hardened criminals TRY to show a judge that they have remorse to gain mercy and compassion. But not JB.

Is this why they "train", not "teach" their children? Training inplies blindly following rules. To teach someone means they have a higher understanding of "why". Pretty sad view of the humanity they are showing their kids.

[Clementine]

Me too! I waded through about half of Dr. Glass' interview, but when it became obvious the doc knew nothing about the Duggars ,I stopped. Michelle looking at JB for reassurance means she's lying? Wow. M'chelle must be lying with every word out of her mouth then b/c she ALWAYS looks at him like that. Same for Anna with Josh, Jill and Derick. Kudos to Jessa for not doing that much so far...I think Ben is the one fawning over Jessa.

Michelle was constantly volunteering too much information? Really, she barely spoke compared to JB!

This 'Dr.' Glass is so full of it. :?

Go read her blog if you want to get a view of just how creepy the woman is. It is so bad that I actually had too google her age. Her aggressive attitude and almost paranoid world view reminds me a lot of my grandmother, when she was starting to get affected by Alzheimers and we still didn't understand what was going on because she was coherent enough to present her "evidence" in a very clear and convincing way. I can't believe media is using her as an "expert".

[DuggarWatch]

They messed up again, and counting.

In this interview, Pa Duggar said, "You know, I think it was a situation where we felt like our son's heart had gone astray."

That's an interesting take on the situation, which was actually a case of his son's HANDS going astray inside his sisters' panties and around a babysitter's bra.

Fox has published a full transcript of the interview here:

foxnews.com/transcript/2015/06/04/exclusive-duggars-open-up-about-molestation-allegations-on-kelly-file

[FakePigtails]

Why can't these girls apply for financial aid and loans like the millions of other American's that cannot afford college outright? Why are they unable to attend college if that would be their choice? Many kids that are right out of high school do not have funds from their parents, yet still are able to go to college.

This college argument to me seems odd.

Unless married, they'd have to list their parents' incomes to apply for aid until they're 25 (http://www.bankrate.com/finance/college ... ostly.aspx), and even with all the other children they probably make too much for the girls to receive anything more than a few thousand in subsidized loans (expected family contributions tend to be completely unrealistic). They'd probably need a cosigner for any other loans. It's a really awful system.

[Alyciabaleesha]

EXACTLY!! And, I reiterate again, I have a 14 yo in my home right now. She KNOWS that it is wrong to touch someone in a sexual way without consent. She's not feeling up her baby brother when she reads him a story!!!!! She recently had a friend try to kiss her without her consent, and she said it didn't feel right and distanced herself from that person. Teenagers are old enough to know better. They may not make the right choice, but they do have the knowledge. My other kids are 10, 11, and 7. They ALSO know it is inappropriate to touch someone else on their genitals.

This is not an "oopsy, Josh was just a little child" moment. He was old enough to know what he was doing was wrong. Which is why, if it's to be believed, he went and confessed in tears. He knew he was wrong. How is this even an argument?!?!

Jesus Christ, yes!

Personally, I'd say that Josh was absolutely old enough to know that molesting a 5 year was wrong. Maybe it's different where the other posters live, but 15 is old enough to babysit other people's children where I'm from, as well as obtain a driver's permit. If Josh was somehow "adult enough" to be blamed for perpetuating his parent's teachings the second he got married, you can't give him a blanket pass on the abuse and say "it's all JB & M's fault."

[violynn]

Go read her blog if you want to get a view of just how creepy the woman is. It is so bad that I actually had too google her age. Her aggressive attitude and almost paranoid world view reminds me a lot of my grandmother, when she was starting to get affected by Alzheimers and we still didn't understand what was going on because she was coherent enough to present her "evidence" in a very clear and convincing way. I can't believe media is using her as an "expert".

I think I'll pass on that read :lol: I've been creeped out so much in the past two weeks with this mess, and still have the Jessa/Jill interview tonight AND the aftermath to keep me disturbed for a while :lol: :lol: :lol:

[smallestneal]

In the interview, JB/M said they reminded their children about "good and bad touch". In the same breath, they also asserted the girls didn't know that what Josh was doing was wrong.

In order to remind someone of something, you have to have already told them. If their argument about the girls not knowing what Josh was doing was wrong is actually true, then I think it stands to reason they never taught the girls about acceptable touch. It would mean that no child would be aware of what unhealthy or dangerous sexual contact looks like, especially in the context of Josh's actions. This would have bred a situation of complete sexual ignorance, which is a dangerous and grievous enough error on its own.

However, if they did indeed actually remind them of good vs. bad sexual touch as they implied (indicating they had already taught the girls what was right/wrong regarding sexual-type contact), then the girls did in fact know that Josh's touching was wrong and did actually know what was happening- contradictory to JB/M's blatant assertions.

Based on the girls' reactions to the situations where they were awake, as told in the police report, it seems evident the girls were aware of what happened. One girl cried in the police interview when recounting her story, and the youngest victim reported that "it felt weird" when Josh touched her. Arguing that the girls did not know what happened, much less didn't remember, is a poorly executed straw man when held up against the police report, and basically hangs them as parents either way.

I think that at least some of the girls were aware of what had happened to them (or at least that Something Horrible Had Happened) based on the police report and stuff but as far as M saying "reminded..." i'm pretty sure that she uses it on 19kac a LOT, and it doesn't always mean "refreshed their memories," IIRC. Feel free to jump in and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she does that. Just my $.02; Michelle could mean almost anything at any time, imo. She has like 3 stock responses that she answers damn near every question with--the interview, talking heads segments, everything.

Either way, something stinks. I think it's the scent of Jim Bob and Michelle's burning pants. :roll:

[Clementine]

I think I'll pass on that read :lol: I've been creeped out so much in the past two weeks with this mess, and still have the Jessa/Jill interview tonight AND the aftermath to keep me disturbed for a while :lol: :lol: :lol:

:) The past weeks have been... computer heavy.

[violynn]

:) The past weeks have been... computer heavy.

next week is not looking much better :angry-banghead: