Fore!!! Jinger courts the Jock

[Letgo]

8 minutes ago, Palimpsest said:

He has repented and is now a pastor.  Easy peasy.  He is not sewage in a glass of water - he has been washed clean in the Blood of the Lamb.

Get with the program.  It is only women who have to abase themselves for tempting men flirting, behaving like whores normal people, and indulging in the grape.  Women are forever tarnished - men get a clean slate. 

Ding Ding Ding! I think we have a winner! Thanks to all of you for your answers. I think the fact that Jeremy is a male is one I had overlooked.  A woman with a past, although forgiven, would be seen as soiled and damaged goods. Not acceptable for one of JB's sons. But Jeremy being a pastor means he has seen the error of his ways. He can even be held up as an example of the evils of college and the world for the Duggarlings. And I'm sure Palimpsest is right about women flirting and tempting men. It had to one of those who led Jeremy astray.

[Ralar]

1 hour ago, anotherone said:

Why do people think farming is so easy? (not you specifically, just in general.)  So easy that a completely inexperienced person can just team up with someone and be successful.  She would probably be mostly useless for the first couple of years and in his way.   As far as I know, she never even owned a dog, and they are pretty much push-button at this point - complete food you buy in a bag or can, vets well experienced in dogs are all over the place, if it's cold you can keep them in the house.  Cows, horses, sheep, and other livestock are a totally different thing, you got hooves to trim, shearing, certain diseases to watch out for, wolves to watch out for, vets are not in easy reach, etc.  And farming itself, you have to understand the soil, what kind of crops grow where, how to understand droughts, rotating crops, pests, and the like.  Did she ever even grow some tomatoes or anything?

 

Bree Drummond, The Pioneer Woman, transitioned from city slicker to happy homemaker for her rancher husband and their gaggle of children. And I don't think she's fundy and required to obey her husband.

If The Pioneer Woman could do it, so can Jana.

[marmalade]

1 hour ago, silverspoons said:

I also think Jim Bob knows the pickings are getting slimmer. You not only have to agree to be filmed (Jeremy seems to want fame so it is a plus) , deal with all the Josh fallout, and be a loyal solider of Jim Bob. I think Jim Bob realizes there are more girls like Anna , and Anna Marie Maxwell out there for his sons to marry then there are young men for his daughters.

Disagree. I'd bet you dollars to donuts that JD and Joe and maybe even Josiah since Joshgate, have likely expressed interest in a girl, only to have thier suit shot down by the girl's father. Unless they're really sipping the kook-aid, would you want your daughter anywhere near the Duggar compound? Let's face it, they've taken a pretty big hit, even in their own circles. 

[EmCatlyn]

44 minutes ago, anotherone said:

Why do people think farming is so easy? (not you specifically, just in general.)  So easy that a completely inexperienced person can just team up with someone and be successful.  She would probably be mostly useless for the first couple of years and in his way.   As far as I know, she never even owned a dog, and they are pretty much push-button at this point - complete food you buy in a bag or can, vets well experienced in dogs are all over the place, if it's cold you can keep them in the house.  Cows, horses, sheep, and other livestock are a totally different thing, you got hooves to trim, shearing, certain diseases to watch out for, wolves to watch out for, vets are not in easy reach, etc.  And farming itself, you have to understand the soil, what kind of crops grow where, how to understand droughts, rotating crops, pests, and the like.  Did she ever even grow some tomatoes or anything?

I worked in a lucrative field and there was a trend for employees, after saving a lot, would retire and want to move out west and hobby-farm in retirement.  They figured, I'm well educated and knowledgeable in my field, those uneducated farmers can't know more than me.  And they would fail miserably in the first few years because they completely underestimated what it took to understand the land and animals.   Now we're assuming Jana's virtual husband-farmer will be well experienced, but she wouldn't add much to the mix except knowing how to make those prairie dresses.  So maybe that's what she wants, but it may be a pipe dream to imagine effectively working at his side, and anyway first that experienced farmer would have to want a girl like that in the first place.

Didn't Ben fit this bill? 

 

Of course it is a "pipe dream." Where is the fundie farmer who might want Jana?

However,  since her role would be primarily to stay in the house and perform domestic tasks, it doesn't much matter what her husband does so long as he knows what he is doing and can support her.  

That doesn't mean that she couldn't help. Though some thingd would take a long time or be impossible for a Duggar to learn, there are always things you can learn to do, if you want to be useful.  

On a farm, for example, she could drive a truck with equipment or even learn to use a tractor.   Putting feed in a trough (or pulling the lever or pushing the button that puts feed in the trough) isn't rocket science.  Jana may not want to do these things, but if she did, she could.  No one is suggesting she should run a farm, just live on one with a husband who knows how to run it.

Any other "business" she might marry into would also involve learning.  (What does Jana lnow besids the TTH?). She could begin by handing a mechanic husband his tools and progress to fixing wind-shield wipers.  Or she could help the hypothetical contractor by bringing supplies (again, she could drive a pick up truck) or she could hold things for him or take or record measurements. . . If she wanted to and was willing to learn.

 

We have no way of knowing if she is.  We can only speculate on what  she meant when she said she wanted a man who didn't mind getting hid his hands dirty.

[lascuba]

14 minutes ago, Ralar said:

Bree Drummond, The Pioneer Woman, transitioned from city slicker to happy homemaker for her rancher husband and their gaggle of children. And I don't think she's fundy and required to obey her husband.

If The Pioneer Woman could do it, so can Jana.

Ree was most definitely not a city slicker (4 years of college in California does not a city slicker make), and married into the richest land-owning family in Oklahoma. I'm not saying she didn't learn a lot about ranching and wasn't ever involved, but unless Jana marries into that level of wealth, she'll have a much steeper learning curve than Ree did.

I really don't mean to be rude, it's just that Ree's exaggerations about her background bugged me even when I still liked her blog. She got pregnant on her honeymoon...she was never that physically involved in the realities of ranch life.

[EmCatlyn]

1 hour ago, lascuba said:

I remember one analysis of the series explaining that it appealed much more to middle aged women that younger ones because it was written by a middle aged woman who wrote a college-aged protagonist that she related to. One example was how Anna got her first email account during the course of the book, ridiculous for girl her age but something that middle-aged women remember well. 

That sounds right.  What I found amusing was these matronly types buying soft porn and kids books at the same time.  

[nickelodeon]

3 hours ago, Letgo said:

I don't have time to read all the posts about Jinger and her beloved, sorry! So can someone give me the Cliff Notes version of how in the world Jeremy passed muster with Jim Bob? Jeremy has been to a real university, has been "out in the world" and been very worldly, has more than accidentally tasted alcohol, he's been arrested, has played a sport professionally, has displayed his thighs and knees publically, has not been a devoted Gothard follower his entire life-HOW was he deemed acceptable?

Because all that makes for a great ~*~testimony~*~ of how he once was lost but now is found! He and Jinger can bond over mutual self-loathing and pray that Jesus will forgive the other's horrible sins.

[fundiefan]

I have a question. If you repent of your sins and they're washed away as if they never happened and you're a new person in Christ and all that - why, exactly, does anyone need to be 'saved' before they're, say, 90 or otherwise on their death bed? Why can't we all just live as we choose and do whatever we want, then repent later since none of what we've done before matters?

[sophie10130]

8 minutes ago, fundiefan said:

I have a question. If you repent of your sins and they're washed away as if they never happened and you're a new person in Christ and all that - why, exactly, does anyone need to be 'saved' before they're, say, 90 or otherwise on their death bed? Why can't we all just live as we choose and do whatever we want, then repent later since none of what we've done before matters?

Because you might die at any time!!!! You might get into a bad car wreck or get shot or have a heart attack or stroke or any number of things.

There are also certain Christians who believe that's not enough. But I was always told that if Hitler repented he's in heaven. Although that was from the Protestant circles. In the Catholic circles, I was told that the only person who committed suicide and went to heaven was Judas, so to them Hitler would not be in heaven.

[Imrlgoddess]

5 minutes ago, fundiefan said:

I have a question. If you repent of your sins and they're washed away as if they never happened and you're a new person in Christ and all that - why, exactly, does anyone need to be 'saved' before they're, say, 90 or otherwise on their death bed? Why can't we all just live as we choose and do whatever we want, then repent later since none of what we've done before matters?

I wondered this exact same thing for years!  Raised old school RC I just thought you made sure you're baptised and then hit the confessional often enough to keep that slate rinsed off and don't commit a mortal sin and you're in!

[defraudedbychipendales]

7 hours ago, theinvisiblegirl said:

That evil lesbian agenda is at it again! In Touch found information on Jeremy's arrest through FOIA.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jinger-duggar-jeremy-vuolo-criminal-record-106608

Haven't made it all the way through yet, but he was only 20? Not legal drinking age!

[Whipple]

Just wondering...

Mel Gibson was arrested for DUI and went off about Jews. Alcohol brought out the hate  that was already there. Jeremy gets drunk and he becomes violent. Did alcoholic bring out an innate violent streak or was this a one of occurrence? Only one way for Jinger to find out--by getting to know her man, which unfortunately in her case will happen after the marriage.

[allthegoodnamesrgone]

1 hour ago, CreationMuseumSeasonPass said:

VODKA SAMM!!!!!! I'm an Iowa alum, class of 2009. My years in Iowa City were definitely my glory days. The shit I used to do in the bars at the ped mall, geez. It's a wonder I never got a PAULA (possession of alcohol under the legal age). PAULA, she's a real bitch. There's a reason Iowa was ranked the top party school in the nation for many years. During my senior year, I told my parents I was so happy to be graduating, simply for the fact that if kept living the way I was, my liver wouldn't survive another four years. And, I meant that. My motto was, if you're going to be doing something stupid, at least be smart about it. And, I was always up to  doing something stupid.

I'm an ISU Alum from 93! We just had VEISHEA riots. We had plenty of fun but we did it in barns out in Boone County. 

[HereticHick]

Please mods, promise me that when this thread gets to Jinger's wedding night, the thread title is changed to "Gooooooool"

[lascuba]

5 minutes ago, HereticHick said:

Please mods, promise me that when this thread gets to Jinger's wedding night, the thread title is changed to "Gooooooool"

It would be a huge injustice if this doesn't happen.

[Lillymuffin]

1 hour ago, fundiefan said:

I have a question. If you repent of your sins and they're washed away as if they never happened and you're a new person in Christ and all that - why, exactly, does anyone need to be 'saved' before they're, say, 90 or otherwise on their death bed? Why can't we all just live as we choose and do whatever we want, then repent later since none of what we've done before matters?

Because "those who think they can repent at the eleventh hour often die at 10:30." Seriously, it's a real saying. It's on those scenic motivational posters and everything. 

[AuntK]

4 hours ago, season of life said:

I think JB is willing to overlook these unsavory details because Jeremy used to play professional soccer and he knows he needs a big courtship to continue the show and bring in cash. He'll pimp his kids out if it means more income, more fame, more magazine articles.

Exactly! This courtship is ALL about another $ea$on of Counting On!  

[nst]

1 hour ago, defraudedbychipendales said:

Haven't made it all the way through yet, but he was only 20? Not legal drinking age!

and this is Ben's idol ?

[SportsgalAnnie]

I hope the Duggars dont turn the Arrest into a campaign for people can change then boom Josh is in the Media Again 

[EmCatlyn]

1 hour ago, fundiefan said:

I have a question. If you repent of your sins and they're washed away as if they never happened and you're a new person in Christ and all that - why, exactly, does anyone need to be 'saved' before they're, say, 90 or otherwise on their death bed? Why can't we all just live as we choose and do whatever we want, then repent later since none of what we've done before matters?

The thing is that God sees into your heart. It is not real repentance if you are just afraid of punishment.  Also, as pointed out above, you could die (or the world could end) any minute.  

Catholics have this idea of sinners needing to repent to go to heaven also -- but you need to confess and do penance and be forgiven by the priest for it to "stick."  Just repenting is not enough. 

 

1 hour ago, Whipple said:

Just wondering...

Mel Gibson was arrested for DUI and went off about Jews. Alcohol brought out the hate  that was already there. Jeremy gets drunk and he becomes violent. Did alcoholic bring out an innate violent streak or was this a one of occurrence? Only one way for Jinger to find out--by getting to know her man, which unfortunately in her case will happen after the marriage.

Was he violent? He was ranting and cursing but the only physical thing he seems to have done is he grabbed the arm of the police officer.  I didn't read carefully enough, maybe, but it sounded like one of his friends was in a physical fight and he was "standing up for" the friend against the other guy? But it was not like he was beating up anyone.  

He could have an "innate violent streak" but I don't think we can judge from a fight which seems to have involved several people.

I do agree Jinger should get to know him, but even conventional dating won't always show a propensity for violence that is suppressed except when you are drinking.

[ClaraOswin]

4 hours ago, allthegoodnamesrgone said:

He got picked up for public intox. I'm guessing he didn't go to the U of I(Iowa) pretty much every student at the University got picked up for public intox at one point or another including my uptight uberconservative brother.  Anyone remember Vodka Sam from a few years ago, the undergrad who blew a .341 and was STILL WALKING. Now that is impressive a .13 isn't even drunk around here. 

I know someone from U of I who was drunk and urinated in the back of a cop car.

He works for the sheriff's department now.

[HarryPotterFan]

7 hours ago, Lillymuffin said:

Ok, I just read through My Immortal, and several commentaries on it. Wtf did I just read?! 

Magic. You just read magic.

5 hours ago, nastyhobbitses said:

Yeah, I'm really not seeing this as some major ESCANDALO. He was drunk, of an age to be drunk (not in the legal sense, but in the "you're old enough to make choices about alcohol" sense), and acted like a dickhead while drunk (though I will mention that he is damn lucky he's white, because I doubt a drunk black or Hispanic dude would get off so easily). As long as he doesn't drink anymore/drinks more responsibly and hasn't been in trouble with the law since, I shall leave my pearls un-clutched.

I was thinking the same thing. Can you imagine if a black or Hispanic man wasn't just publically intoxicated and being an asshole, but GRABBED A POLICE OFFICER'S ARM? 

[marmalade]

If he had been a football (American) or basketball player, the cops would have let him go without the detour to the drunk tank and nominal fine. Being a white jock definitely got him off much more lightly than if he had been a POC, especially in small-town upstate NY. 

[samurai_sarah]

5 hours ago, HereticHick said:

Please mods, promise me that when this thread gets to Jinger's wedding night, the thread title is changed to "Gooooooool"

I personally think that that would be in rather poor taste. I would have been mortified, and deeply hurt, if someone had written about me like that, after my wedding night. And I'm "a woman with a past".

[FarmOfKids]

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