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9 minutes ago, eightykatie said:

Sounds like Courtney Milan.  Check her out!  I think she was a chemist too though.

She even clerked for Justice Kennedy. 

LOTS of lawyers (and college professors) out there who are now successful romance authors. 

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1 hour ago, EmCatlyn said:

If a nice mainstream Baptist with his own dairy farm or landscaping, or contracting business were to become interested in her, and managed to get JB's approval to court, maybe such a marriage would "rescue" her.  As she does seem to be intelligent, she might be free of Gothard without being blamed because she would be following her headship.

It would be the best one can reasonably hope for.

I think you're right... especially a dairy farmer for Jana. Just far enough from home that the rest of the family doesn't constantly come to visit, and of course on a small family dairy farm there pretty much IS no vacation or leaving without major planning. You can't just have anyone come take care of things, and the cows need milking twice a day, every day. She'd have plenty of excuse not to head home to visit often. "Oops, can't make it to church this morning, there's a calf being born!" (Actual reason my dad missed church at least once back when I was a kid!)

The fanfic discussion makes me smile, I love a well-written fic. I'll read just about any fandom I'm at least vaguely familiar with, but have been mostly reading Transformers lately. I've only written one fic, however, published over on Ao3. Under a name I don't use anywhere else, LOL!

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Confession Time: I read Twilight fanfic (do not judge me!...Team Edward 4 Life!!11!!11!!). There are some very talented writers and I like to re-read stories. 

Sorting Hat erotica is...um, out there. But I've seen some disturbing Twilight fanfics so I guess everybody has their kinks. 

I can see how fanfic about real people can get creepy really quickly. There are definitely a lot of curious teens going through puberty who don't quite yet understand the importance of  boundaries

Okay back to JinJer and their godly courtship 

 

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54 minutes ago, OrchidBlossom said:

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I've always secretly hoped to get on a plane with one of them (well, it would have to be at least several I guess but you know what I mean). I'm always down for an earnest religious discussion... but they wouldn't much like what I have to say! And I'm guessing they couldn't keep it civil when they learned they were sitting with/speaking to an evilllll atheist.

There is no way to have an "earnest religious discussion" with people who are sincerely convinced of the rightness of their religious views and the wrongness of everyone else's.  They typically don't listen to your arguments. And they don't understand why you are not bowled over by the power of theirs.  

Fundies aren't interested in discussions. Fundies are interested in bearing witness to their faith and by their fervor convince you to Accept Christ into Your Life and Your Heart.  There is no talking sense with them.    If you cite history or science or read the Bible more carefully than they, it is always the Devil making you take the wrong view.  If you point out that a particular Biblical passage is open to different interpretations and/or note that there are two different creation stories in the Bible and that the four Gospels don't always agree with each other, you are just in need of guidance and prayer.  

Also, the polite Southern "lady" doesn't ever really disagree with you overtly.  They will say something like, "Well thank you for explaining that," and make it clear that they don't agree but aren't going to argue.   Or they will chamge the subject to the weather or the bracelet you are wearing or whatever.  Or they will blandly tell you that they will pray for you.

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17 minutes ago, EmCatlyn said:

 

Also, the polite Southern "lady" doesn't ever really disagree with you overtly.  They will say something like, "Well thank you for explaining that," and make it clear that they don't agree but aren't going to argue.   Or they will chamge the subject to the weather or the bracelet you are wearing or whatever.  Or they will blandly tell you that they will pray for you.

Yeah I spent YEARS in the South I am quiteeee familiar with the "I'll pray for you" haha

I know the Duggars would never be open to real religious dialogue. But I think it would be interesting in its own way. Maybe just because my friends always joke I'm a conversion magnet. I don't think there is any religion that hasn't tried to get me, Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientologists, Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, Mormons (of the fundie AND non-fundie variety), you name it they've tried. I guess something about me just screams "save my lost soul". I would be quite the crown jewel on Jinger's burden for the lost or whatever.

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5 minutes ago, OrchidBlossom said:

Yeah I spent YEARS in the South I am quiteeee familiar with the "I'll pray for you" haha

I know the Duggars would never be open to real religious dialogue. But I think it would be interesting in its own way. Maybe just because my friends always joke I'm a conversion magnet. I don't think there is any religion that hasn't tried to get me, Jehovah's Witnesses, Scientologists, Baptists, Methodists, Catholics, Mormons (of the fundie AND non-fundie variety), you name it they've tried. I guess something about me just screams "save my lost soul". I would be quite the crown jewel on Jinger's burden for the lost or whatever.

Oh god, same. Except for Scientologists. I always say that I must look a lot nicer than I am because I'm targeted constantly when I'm out alone (huh, there might be something to the Duggar accountability partner thing after all!), and then I get to see their expression when I open my mouth. I have zero tolerance for proselytizers. 

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2 minutes ago, lascuba said:

Oh god, same. Except for Scientologists. I always say that I must look a lot nicer than I am because I'm targeted constantly when I'm out alone (huh, there might be something to the Duggar accountability partner thing after all!), and then I get to see their expression when I open my mouth. I have zero tolerance for proselytizers. 

I like to mess with them sometimes (the particularly rude and overbearing ones). I try to be nice to the calmer, gentler ones. But if I am in a hurry, then I can be a little rude. Because I know you didn't stop me as I halfway sprint for the metro because I look like I have time to spare to speak to you.

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I know I'd get nowhere in a religious discussion with a Duggar.  My imaginary interactions with them involve one of them who is still at least a little tiny bit impressionable silently following me around for a day and watching me somehow manage to not cheat, steal from, murder, lie to/about, beat up, or have sex with every human being who crosses my path, despite my lack of religion.  Even manage to run my house well, get along with my husband, teach my kid right from wrong, and do some actual charity work (I help raise funds for pediatric cancer research).  

I do realize that probably not a new thought on this forum, but still.

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3 hours ago, RabbitKM said:

I heard about the Dramione fan fic fairly recently, and I have to say, I kinda ship it.  There's just something about the Bad Boy getting with the bookish girl... ;)  Also because I don't think Hermione and Ron belong together.  

I'm a Drinny (Draco and Ginny) fan myself. Bad Boy meets feisty takes-no-shit. This is book Ginny, btw, not movie Ginny. 

2 hours ago, season of life said:

This ticks me off so much. 50 Shades of Grey was modified fanfiction that got this woman amazingly rich. Book deals AND a movie. I like to write all sorts of things, from male characters struggling from infertility to female antagonists, and I know I have a higher chance of making a living if I peddled badly written erotica. As soon as I finish the story I'm working on, you bet your biddies I'm going to write soft porn for cash. 

That's what the dinosaur erotica biddies (Christie Sims & Alara Branwen) did and they are probably making more money than all of us. Though I've never read it (don't have a kindle), I think it falls into the "really bad and entertaining" category that another poster was talking about.

Tying this back to the topic, think the Duggars know about 50 shades? Especially the part about a dude taking over his love interest's life whether she likes it or not, but she eventually comes to "love" it and give in? Naaahhhh, they wouldn't relate... 

 

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I've read Draco/Hermione fanfic in the past (when the books were in their heyday).  I enjoyed the good girl/bad guy aspect of it, not gonna lie.  And some of the stories were actually really well written to boot!  Sometimes I still get the urge to find some when I'm between books.

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1 hour ago, Jinder Roles said:

Confession Time: I read Twilight fanfic (do not judge me!...Team Edward 4 Life!!11!!11!!). There are some very talented writers and I like to re-read stories. 

Sorting Hat erotica is...um, out there. But I've seen some disturbing Twilight fanfics so I guess everybody has their kinks. 

I can see how fanfic about real people can get creepy really quickly. There are definitely a lot of curious teens going through puberty who don't quite yet understand the importance of  boundaries

Okay back to JinJer and their godly courtship 

 

You are not alone Twilight sister! There is a line and people cross it far to much. Now do people do Duggar FF? 

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Sorry to continue to derail the thread, but I have to confess. My first foray into fanfiction was right after half-blood prince came out. I stumbled upon a harry/draco slash fic and pretty much became obsessed (Sacrifices Arc series is still my fave!) It got to the point where I couldn't bring myself to read the final HP book for awhile because I hated the idea of Harry and Ginny being together :pb_redface:. I finally read it about a year after it was released. I've since forayed into severitus, time travel, no magic, au, you name it. I don't read it much anymore, but at the time Painless_J rec lists and fictionalley.org's "Help! I'm looking for..." page were my lifeline!

Ok, I feel better now. I've never told anyone about my obsession.

 

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Luminosity was one of the few Twilight fics I read. Bella was much more calculated and fascinating in that story.

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9 hours ago, Fundie Bunny said:

Holy shit i found it

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3096379/1/First-Encounter

When you do it keep in mind that it was written by a guy and that he wrote it as a joke. It will help you feel less sorry for humanity

So I'm off to read this abomination.  I cannot resist a horrible premise, bad writing and an erotic subplot.  If I don't ever return, I've laughed myself hysterically to death.  

2 hours ago, Alisamer said:

I think you're right... especially a dairy farmer for Jana. Just far enough from home that the rest of the family doesn't constantly come to visit, and of course on a small family dairy farm there pretty much IS no vacation or leaving without major planning. You can't just have anyone come take care of things, and the cows need milking twice a day, every day. She'd have plenty of excuse not to head home to visit often. "Oops, can't make it to church this morning, there's a calf being born!" (Actual reason my dad missed church at least once back when I was a kid!)

The fanfic discussion makes me smile, I love a well-written fic. I'll read just about any fandom I'm at least vaguely familiar with, but have been mostly reading Transformers lately. I've only written one fic, however, published over on Ao3. Under a name I don't use anywhere else, LOL!

But First: 

Why is everyone so enamored with the idea of the man Jana wants who works with his hands being a farmer?  Mechanics, construction workers, someone who works for a utility company, etc.  Sure, farmers (at least in the South) are more prone to be religious, but other than that, I can't see why a farmer is the conclusion everyone jumps to first.  

2 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

Also, the polite Southern "lady" doesn't ever really disagree with you overtly.  They will say something like, "Well thank you for explaining that," and make it clear that they don't agree but aren't going to argue.   Or they will chamge the subject to the weather or the bracelet you are wearing or whatever.  Or they will blandly tell you that they will pray for you.

I use that one all the time. :D 

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This thread is making me all nostalgic - I wrote Harry Potter and Buffy fanfiction, back in the day, and it's all still floating around the web.  Every once in a blue moon I get fan mail asking if I'm ever going to finish (redacted).

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4 hours ago, HarleyQuinn said:

I actually read Masters of the Universe because my friend kept raving about 50 Shades of Grey and I didn't want to be seen with that book in my house. I cannot believe the fuckton of money that story made the author.

I downloaded the first book when it first became popular. I found the writing so bad that I never made it to the dirty parts!

Can anyone who read it tell me if I actually missed out on anything?

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26 minutes ago, violynn said:

So I'm off to read this abomination.  I cannot resist a horrible premise, bad writing and an erotic subplot.  If I don't ever return, I've laughed myself hysterically to death.  

But First: 

Why is everyone so enamored with the idea of the man Jana wants who works with his hands being a farmer?  Mechanics, construction workers, someone who works for a utility company, etc.  Sure, farmers (at least in the South) are more prone to be religious, but other than that, I can't see why a farmer is the conclusion everyone jumps to first.  

I use that one all the time. :D 

I think Jana also said something about not wanting to be home alone all day. If her husband were a construction worker, etc., he wouldn't be home with her like a farmer could be. Not sure though.

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The farmers around here work 12 + hour days when it is time.  She could possibly have a farmer at home all day if not in planting, spraying or harvesting months.  When it is crop time, all bets are off.  She *could* ride along in the farm equipment if she wanted to.

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54 minutes ago, Gossamer1 said:

I downloaded the first book when it first became popular. I found the writing so bad that I never made it to the dirty parts!

Can anyone who read it tell me if I actually missed out on anything?

I haven't read it, but I think this is pretty much it

http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/02/14/21710269/fifty-terrible-lines-from-fifty-shades-of-grey

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10 hours ago, Fundie Bunny said:

Holy shit i found it

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3096379/1/First-Encounter

When you do it keep in mind that it was written by a guy and that he wrote it as a joke. It will help you feel less sorry for humanity

I don't even know what the heck I just read. :laughing-rolling: The thespian squid. :happy-partydance:"...felt apprehension well up in his kitchen." had me cackling. That was literally so bad, it's good!

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2 hours ago, violynn said:

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Why is everyone so enamored with the idea of the man Jana wants who works with his hands being a farmer?  Mechanics, construction workers, someone who works for a utility company, etc.  Sure, farmers (at least in the South) are more prone to be religious, but other than that, I can't see why a farmer is the conclusion everyone jumps to first.  

I agree.   I do think Jana would want a guy who was self-employed/worked largely for himself, partly because it is the Gothard way and partly because she said she wanted to work alongside him.

Farming would seem right for working-side-by-side (and I suggest dairy farming because she seems to like cows), but she could just as easily find a builder/contractor and help him keep the books and make appointments while she homeschools the kids.  Or, as you say, a mechanic.  I think "working for the utility company" might take him away from home more than her ideal.  But it's all guessing.

 

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4 hours ago, violynn said:

But First: 

Why is everyone so enamored with the idea of the man Jana wants who works with his hands being a farmer?  Mechanics, construction workers, someone who works for a utility company, etc.  Sure, farmers (at least in the South) are more prone to be religious, but other than that, I can't see why a farmer is the conclusion everyone jumps to first.  

I know right. I find it funny how everyone started screaming farmer when she said she wants someone who works with his hands. Also, what 20 something year old is going to own his own dairy/regular farm? I know nothing about that but having those facilities to buying the animals cannot be cheap. 

When I think of someone that fits her desires, I automatically just think of someone who likes to be outside and work with his hands. Just watch, her man will prob end up working for the Duggar family business (don't they do landscaping or house renovating?) so she could be with him 24/7. And if she wants animals, they can buy just a couple of cows, donkeys or whatever instead of having Noah's ark quantity amount like a full fledged freakin farm

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12 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

Just have to point out that there is only so much that can be said about a Duggar girl's courtship,. To save time, here are the key points that can be cut and pasted into future discussions. 

("He" refers to the guy. "J----" refers to the Duggar girl.)

  • He is/isn't cute/hunky/dorky.
  • He is/isn't another wannabe(or real) preacher.
  • He does/doesn't have a job other than wannabe preaching.
  • He is/isn't too old /too young for J----.
  • He is/isn't the right height for J----.
  • He does/doesn't give good vibes.
  • He is/isn't new to fundie-ism. 
  • The Duggars hid/didn't hide him well.
  • JB had to approve, so "he" is clearly not going to be secular.
  • J---- does/doesn't look like she is really happy.
  • How long have they really been courting?
  • Maybe this will (not) be the one to rescue J----.
  • It can/can't be true love because(even though) it is an arranged marriage.
  • He is marrying a Duggar, so he can't be entirely right in the head.

Did I leave anything out?  :kitty-wink:

 

 

  • Another J---/a Bates girl has gotten pregnant/started courting/posted more things on Instagram in order to steal Courting J's thunder
  • Why didn't J--- get with Lawson? They would have been so cute together!
  • He's not as cute/nice/handsome/fundie royalty as a Bates husband
  • They're getting married so fast because all they want to do is bone
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