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1 hour ago, luv2laugh said:

Video of them walking out. Is this David waller walking out behind Anna holding the box? 

 

I was wondering if after today, she would still walk out holding his hand.  Good lord that woman is sick.  She’s not just holding his hand, she’s holding it with both hands.  🤮

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1 minute ago, SimplyMe said:

I was wondering if after today, she would still walk out holding his hand.  Good lord that woman is sick.  She’s not just holding his hand, she’s holding it with both hands.  🤮

Leaving court today was the first time he's looked scared to me.  I hope that's real.

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3 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

Leaving court today was the first time he's looked scared to me.  I hope that's real.

You think so?  I actually didn't look at him I just realized.  I don't want to either.  He looked different?  All that evidence and his team couldn't compete.  Good.

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6 minutes ago, Beermeet said:

You think so?  I actually didn't look at him I just realized.  I don't want to either.  He looked different?  All that evidence and his team couldn't compete.  Good.

Very different in the video.  Not smug at all and usually he looks dead behind the eyes to me, but just looked like sweaty fear.  

But who knows, I could be wrong and he was just tired or whatever.

On a shallow note what is it about him and JD looking sweaty and greasy at all times.  They always look like they smell.

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1 hour ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Yes, and to be honest, I think he will be a fairly successful one. He knows public speaking. He has a perfect fundie wife. He has a bunch of adorable blonde children. Even though he is connected to the Duggars, his own family has not had any scandal. He’s a fundie dream leader. 

And his wife has the saddest eyes in the universe. Maybe it is just me. Other then that, i totally agree. He has a compelling 'narrative'. Even current happenings will be used to advance him, i am sure of that. 

 

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20 minutes ago, SimplyMe said:

I was wondering if after today, she would still walk out holding his hand.  Good lord that woman is sick.  She’s not just holding his hand, she’s holding it with both hands.  🤮

And it looks like several times she glances up at him reminding me of the fundie wife gaze. His body language always shows he has no ducks  to give about her. He looks as if he would be way more comfortable if she didn’t hold his hand or better yet wasn’t there at all.

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I never really watched the show…I have only ever seen a couple of episodes and that was years ago before any scandals. After reading a couple of people talk about Josh and Anna’s engagement I decided to watch it. Wow!!  Unbelievable the crap he was talking about purity and saving himself and not giving away heart pieces 🙄 How the hell did JB & M keep a straight face talking so positively about him and his purity knowing what they knew?!!  Absolutely disgusting!!

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2 hours ago, indianabones said:

I know- I tried to find an update about the girl they profiled, but since I'm assuming they used pseudonyms and the author hasn't posted anything, nada. I'm hoping she gained more impulse control, if not empathy.

I don't think Josh is a psychopath. I think he's a pedophile who is also a product of being the firstborn son in an extremely patriarchal family where his actions were conveniently excused by Gothard's preachings about how boys and men are so easily tempted, and that sexual abuse is a message from God. I've attached some of his pamphlets under a spoiler that talk about exactly what IBLP had to say about sexual abuse.

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The thing with #4 is the sisters were abused while they were under the protection of their parents. So that blows that argument out of the water.  
How can a parent read this and say ‘yea this sounds cool. 

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23 minutes ago, Travelfan said:

I never really watched the show…I have only ever seen a couple of episodes and that was years ago before any scandals. After reading a couple of people talk about Josh and Anna’s engagement I decided to watch it. Wow!!  Unbelievable the crap he was talking about purity and saving himself and not giving away heart pieces 🙄 How the hell did JB & M keep a straight face talking so positively about him and his purity knowing what they knew?!!  Absolutely disgusting!!

Not to mention their wedding where his victims had to stand there as attendants while the pastor preached about purity. 

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I have always seen jill as the most unique looking of the duggar girl’s. While the others look like each other. But in this pic I had ro double take joy for jill. I know she is mostly covered up but the lightening of Jill’s hair now I thought it was Jill and I mainly think joy looks like a lighter version of Jessa. 
my heart breaks for joy. I hope Austin and her are as strong of partners as social Media shows them. I still remember the photos of joy walking out of court (???) because she was the only victim that was still a minor at the time and Jb was taking her to use her to get something to do with the initial molestation scandal hidden. I’m sketchy memory of the details. How times have changed. Go in strength joy.  Find power and healing. My heart breaks for you. I have a five year old right now. You didn’t deserve this. 

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Regarding the FW account of Bobye Holt’s testimony. The writer does clarify that the prosecutor relayed parts of her earlier testimony, using it to expand on points made in opening statements. She writes that court recordings count as testimony. The Holts are probably going to testify on Monday and actually take the stand. They did not take the stand today. 
 

My understanding of this is that Bobye’s testimony from Monday was actually “heard” by the jury today. 
 

I apologize if this has already been pointed out. Things are moving quickly.  

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Someone specifically asked for clarification in the FW comments on the master court thread whether Mrs holt testified or not because the sun didn’t mention it. That person (FW’s source) has limited comments for posting and answered in her edit in her actual thread . After update #16.
 

paraphrasing here: She clarified that the prosecution team relayed pieces of Mrs holts monday testimony to expand on their own opening statements. They technically count as testimony, and Mrs holt will be taking the stand when court resumes next week.
 

Sounds like everyone thought she’d get to say her piece today but the defense kept trying to argue that the toll booth computer could have been hacked so they and prosecution went back and forth a lot there. 

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That is such an awkward way to walk from court with him....both hands? I hate that they are wearing masks outside the courthouse, it's obviously not something they would otherwise be doing and are just trying to take advantage it the opportunity to shield their facial expressions.

I think it's very possible that Anna believes he did this and has for some time, but that it doesn't matter because "sin is sin". Her poor husband is being tempted and is dealing with spiritual warfare. I do think he glossed over the extent and details, so part of me hopes that she actually had to face the disgusting details at trial instead of learning ahead of time.

I think Josh is enjoying the media circus and being followed to/from court. Because he's that sick.

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I can't help but get more and more angry every time I think about Anna clutching Josh walking out of the courtroom. I'm a harsh critic of Anna, and I know that, even though as a DV survivor there is a large part of me that has compassion for what I can believe Josh puts her through (I think we can all agree he is at a minimum a neglectful/absent husband who probably has emotionally abusive tendencies--again at a minimum). But when I think about her kids and the message she is sending them by supporting him, it just makes me ill.

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Late to comment on this, but I don't think you can join ATI as a fam until you have a seven year old. So however old Carson is now, at least then they probably weren't eligible to join up as the Chad Paine family. I tried to find the application I looked at back in the day but they've taken it down to make you contact them for it, unfortunately. So Erin could have said with all honestly she wasn't currently involved and still fully be meaning to get involved later. 

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11 minutes ago, lizzybee said:

Late to comment on this, but I don't think you can join ATI as a fam until you have a seven year old. So however old Carson is now, at least then they probably weren't eligible to join up as the Chad Paine family. I tried to find the application I looked at back in the day but they've taken it down to make you contact them for it, unfortunately. So Erin could have said with all honestly she wasn't currently involved and still fully be meaning to get involved later. 

I was unaware of that! Did they ever explain why you had to wait til eldest was 7?

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10 minutes ago, OrchidBlossom said:

I can't help but get more and more angry every time I think about Anna clutching Josh walking out of the courtroom. I'm a harsh critic of Anna, and I know that, even though as a DV survivor there is a large part of me that has compassion for what I can believe Josh puts her through (I think we can all agree he is at a minimum a neglectful/absent husband who probably has emotionally abusive tendencies--again at a minimum). But when I think about her kids and the message she is sending them by supporting him, it just makes me ill.

Anna is not clutching out of adoration or loyalty.  She is clutching out of desperation.  The guy is a creep, but life with him is all she knows.

If, as we all hope, he goes to prison for at least 5 years, she may have time to organize her thoughts and consider what her options are.  Right now we should not expect her to be able to think at all, much less think rationally.  

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@neuroticcat I'm going off my memory and honestly I could be misremembering. Probably should not have said so since I can't verify my claim. I can only guess because it's not really a true curriculum and I'm not sure how much indoctrinating you can do when your kids aren't paying attention and can't read. 

ETA: Maybe I'm not crazy. Looks like the LA booklets start at second grade. https://atii.org/family/curriculum/wbla/

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1 minute ago, EmCatlyn said:

Anna is not clutching out of adoration or loyalty.  She is clutching out of desperation.  The guy is a creep, but life with him is all she knows.

If, as we all hope, he goes to prison for at least 5 years, she may have time to organize her thoughts and consider what her options are.  Right now we should not expect her to be able to think at all, much less think rationally.  

she is also 6 weeks postpartum, in new and unused shoes, and sat on her bum for a few hours listening to what an absolute tosser of a man she is married too. And the fuck can not give a fuck, judging by his body language. I give her no graces atm, but she should tell JB to go try kick her out of the house, or not feed her kids, just try JB, just effn try. I doubt she will, but i hope that she can find it in her to just once centre herself. She has got a brand new baby, and she should be staying home. Let him go and support the greasy one. 

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4 minutes ago, Sabine said:

she is also 6 weeks postpartum, in new and unused shoes, and sat on her bum for a few hours listening to what an absolute tosser of a man she is married too. And the fuck can not give a fuck, judging by his body language. I give her no graces atm, but she should tell JB to go try kick her out of the house, or not feed her kids, just try JB, just effn try. I doubt she will, but i hope that she can find it in her to just once centre herself. She has got a brand new baby, and she should be staying home. Let him go and support the greasy one. 

Or send his enabler mother. 

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Is Anna teaching her kids the victim blaming wisdom booklets? 

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2 hours ago, TuringMachine said:

her fun house of a mcmansion that no one would ever care about

Her interiors remind me of this Wayfair ad -- a chaotic mess, devoid of taste. Also, @SassyPants is right -- save the 'M is for Mama' rabbit holes for later. Maybe first put in a reservation for our crack team of FJ rescue ferrets and then go for it!

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Magical thinking here: maybe Josh's defense team will lean on him over the weekend and persuade him to change his plea to guilty. Can't imagine how the jury doesn't have enough to deliver a guilty verdict already. As much as I despise the Duggars and their fellow travelers, I take no pleasure in having this trial drag out to its horrific end. If even one victim or vulnerable person could be spared having to testify, that would be a positive in my book.

 

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