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8 minutes ago, onekidanddone said:

Is Anna teaching her kids the victim blaming wisdom booklets? 

I don't recall Anna ever telling what curriculum she uses. She could very well be using ATI and supplementing with something like Abeka.

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30 minutes ago, onekidanddone said:

Is Anna teaching her kids the victim blaming wisdom booklets? 

Probably.  They worked so well for her, you know?

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2 hours ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

He worked at the car lot with Josh.  I expect it will be related to who had access to the computer and such.

I'm wondering if he might also be testifying either for or against Josh's computer capabilities/skills since that seems to be one of the main points of the defence.

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1 hour ago, EmCatlyn said:

Anna is not clutching out of adoration or loyalty.  She is clutching out of desperation.  The guy is a creep, but life with him is all she knows.

If, as we all hope, he goes to prison for at least 5 years, she may have time to organize her thoughts and consider what her options are.  Right now we should not expect her to be able to think at all, much less think rationally.  

I agree it's desperation (but we don't know that it isn't also loyalty, she had plenty of that when he molested his sisters), I guess I just don't feel overly compelled to sympathy for her. It makes me angry that her desperation, loyalty, fear, whatever it is, has her publicly sticking by a pedophile when she has 7 minor children.

Again, I'm not saying my response is 'correct' or even logical. It's my visceral reaction. But I guess I ran out of grace for Anna's choices a long time ago. I have a lot of compassion for what she has been through, but it no longer seems to be enough to temper the anger I feel when I think about her children and what this means for them, will do to them, etc, to have their father be who he is and have her so publicly support him.

My perspective may also change as more facts about her thoughts and attitudes toward him and their relationship emerge, especially if she does leave. I'm not holding my breath for that, but I am crossing my fingers.

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I think right now Anna's just trying to make it through the trial. A week from now he'll be going to prison for a decade or so, and that will give her plenty of time for reality to sink in, and for her to reevaluate her life and what she wants to do. 

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I am not a body language expert, but Anna's two handed grip might have been to keep Josh from pulling his hand away. He was clearly walking ahead of her and not interacting with her at all.  Makes me wonder if they had words before exiting the building and then she was trying to stay 'in role' for the cameras while he wanted no part of the charade?

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I wonder if Pest's slimy attitude and shit eating grin are because he's going to get away from the marriage and family he never really wanted. He'll have opportunities to gain an education, and after 10-15 years, most of the M kids will be late teens aged and close to zero chance of Anna getting knocked up again. However, I'm thinking Perv is going to wait a little while and file for divorce. If Anna files, JB will go after her but if Pervert files, it's a different story. 

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14 minutes ago, feministxtian said:

I wonder if Pest's slimy attitude and shit eating grin are because he's going to get away from the marriage and family he never really wanted. He'll have opportunities to gain an education, and after 10-15 years, most of the M kids will be late teens aged and close to zero chance of Anna getting knocked up again. However, I'm thinking Perv is going to wait a little while and file for divorce. If Anna files, JB will go after her but if Pervert files, it's a different story. 

Can one file from prison? I have no idea about those sort of protocols.

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2 minutes ago, marmalade said:

Can one file from prison? I have no idea about those sort of protocols.

Yes. A friend's X did that on her. He was locked up. 

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32 minutes ago, snickerz said:

I think right now Anna's just trying to make it through the trial. A week from now he'll be going to prison for a decade or so, and that will give her plenty of time for reality to sink in, and for her to reevaluate her life and what she wants to do. 

I'd be surprised if he didn't appeal.  As long as the $$s are there, why not?  Anna may be sweating it for awhile to come, unfortunately.

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Do his charges allow for a no-contest plea? I thought his eyes looked a bit concerned today, and I wouldn't be surprised if he decided over the weekend to plea, just so he doesn't have listen to more details. Pleading no contest wouldn't require him to admit that he is guilty.

 

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2 minutes ago, molecule said:

I wouldn't be surprised if he decided over the weekend to plea, just so he doesn't have listen to more details.

From your keyboard to the FSM's ears. 

Don't know if he could get much from the Feds now if he changes his plea -- the time for deals is past -- but it would be a huge relief if he did so. 

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46 minutes ago, feministxtian said:

I wonder if Pest's slimy attitude and shit eating grin are because he's going to get away from the marriage and family he never really wanted. He'll have opportunities to gain an education, and after 10-15 years, most of the M kids will be late teens aged and close to zero chance of Anna getting knocked up again. However, I'm thinking Perv is going to wait a little while and file for divorce. If Anna files, JB will go after her but if Pervert files, it's a different story. 

Bold of you to assume Pest has any interest in an education 😂

I don’t foresee him filing for divorce. I think he’s perfectly happy with his subservient wife. Unless he filed to hurt her, which I could see. Because he’s an ass. 

7 minutes ago, molecule said:

Do his charges allow for a no-contest plea? I thought his eyes looked a bit concerned today, and I wouldn't be surprised if he decided over the weekend to plea, just so he doesn't have listen to more details. Pleading no contest wouldn't require him to admit that he is guilty.

 

I was always more of a civ pro than a crim pro girl but I think the court must consent to a nolo contendere in federal cases. 

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Re: Anna's choice educating the M Kids, on one of the episodes of 19KAC she is cooking for the whole Duggar clan and burns some potatoes or something just as they arrive. Earlier in that particular episode, she is preparing to go to the shop and says to Marcus (I am sure it is Marcus) at the store we are going to practice self control and instant obedience. In that creepy sing song voice Michelle uses.

I am fairly certain that has IBLP/ATI written all.over it.

(Not necessarily snarking on the pre shop talk here though, I often begged mine to be good and bribed them with promises of chocolate buttons 😂)But if I launched into a speech about self control and obedience, I am fairly sure it would have ended with one of them with a donut up their nose or something. Children that age dont understand those concepts. 

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Amy just posted a series of videos on her Instagram stories, late night basically stream of consciousness. The bulk of it was talking about how stressful this time is, and thanking people who have been messaging her with support for speaking out. She said that he will always be Team Jill, and that “they” hate when she speaks out (given the context she seemed to be referring to some members of her family and perhaps their circle too). She also specifically called IBLP a cult. It was all posted in the last half hour from the time this was posted so should be visible on her page for a while.

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Amy has been very vocal over the past few days, I hope this gives strength to Joy anna and Jill.

I think the jury are in for a hard time next week. The evidence so far has been very strong and Day 1 was particularly traumatic. The prosecution case looks very strong. In the UK, I would be confident he would be convicted-but it doesn't have to be unanimous, just majority.

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6 minutes ago, 3KidsAndStopped said:

Amy has been very vocal over the past few days, I hope this gives strength to Joy anna and Jill.

Agreed! Someone else had mentioned earlier and I had noticed it too, that someone on Twitter had asked Amy about getting out of her NDA and telling all, and she replied that she was working on it. Not ashamed to say I would run, not walk, to buy that book or watch that Oprah special.

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4 minutes ago, Kayleigh83 said:

Agreed! Someone else had mentioned earlier and I had noticed it too, that someone on Twitter had asked Amy about getting out of her NDA and telling all, and she replied that she was working on it. Not ashamed to say I would run, not walk, to buy that book or watch that Oprah special.

So would I.  With the whole Duggar image falling to pieces surely one of them has to realise the money is now in the tell-all book? 

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6 minutes ago, Kayleigh83 said:

Agreed! Someone else had mentioned earlier and I had noticed it too, that someone on Twitter had asked Amy about getting out of her NDA and telling all, and she replied that she was working on it. Not ashamed to say I would run, not walk, to buy that book or watch that Oprah special.

I would as well! There are a couple of incidents even on the show I would like to see an unshackled Duggar talk about. I would like to see them all find their own paths and Jill I think has set a wonderful example to them.

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I thought the only Duggars working at the car lot were Josiah and Joseph. Did Jed! work there?

Also David Waller doesn't have a brother named Michael. His brother, who is testifying, is Matthew. 

 

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It is the middle of the night and I am awake. This case, and worrying about those children, has given me nightmares. I know we are instructed to refrain from theorizing about possible abuse, and I will comply with that request, in reference to posting on the board.

 

However, I cannot refrain from mentally asking very difficult questions about the safety and protection of children in proximity to a known pedophile.

 

I lack the capacity to  linguistically express my anguish over the children described in the CSA material. I keep imagining the abuse happening to my own girls and my 5 year old granddaughter and I am crushed. I look at the plethora of beautiful children within the Duggar sphere and my anguish gives rise to fear. 
 

Where is the righteous Mama Bear 🐻 anger and indefatigable zeal for protecting children in these people?    Were someone to hurt my girls or boys, there is no power in the universe that could assuage my thirst for Justice. 

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I have been mulling over the prosecution and defence arguments yesterday. The defence line IMO is weak and contradictory.

The password to the partition was the same one as used on the family social media and possibly also banking (WTF who does this?!). But apparently lots of people knew the password.

In the next breath, Josh is so concerned about privacy, he downloads Tor to protect his personal information. 

Apparently the defence are arguing that Josh has enough nous to create a partition, install a secure, anonymous browser but negated all of these "security" measures by sharing passwords to personal accounts.

It makes no sense.

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27 minutes ago, 3KidsAndStopped said:

I have been mulling over the prosecution and defence arguments yesterday. The defence line IMO is weak and contradictory.

The defense is trying everything and anything to put doubt in the jurors' minds. The standard (I may be wrong) is "beyond a reasonable doubt". If they can get ONE juror to hang on to reasonable doubt, they get him off with a hung jury although I'm sure he would be retried. Personally I think they know they're SOL on a defense but they're trying b/c their client is too smug to take the deal. I'd love to see the judge throw the book at him, at least 15 years on each charge, served consecutively (I know, but I can hope) along with a big-ass fine that daddy would pay. This shit had to come up just before finals week...thanks Smuggar...stretch it out while I should be studying for finals (finals are the week of the 13th)

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