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(CW: CSA) Josh & Anna 40 : Hope NWA Has Enough Booze* to Get the Jurors Through the Weekend


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11 minutes ago, ToriAmos said:

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I hadn't seen those first two sheets. OMG. 

So a child should only be with adults, always, to nurture his genius?

What if it's the freakin adults who are abusing?

No unscheduled time. Why do they believe their almighty god created such weak, contemptible, brainless creatures who need constant surveillance to stay out of trouble?

Thing is the people following this frightening shit aren’t doing so because it is the word of God. They are following the word of man. One man followed blindly. Isn’t there a commandment about having only one God?

12 minutes ago, neuroticcat said:

Right? And one thing to be glad about is that CSA will help you cultivate discernment and grow in spiritual power. It’s almost as if, hear me out…it could have been written by a predator and groomer. 🤮🤬

Probably writing by gothard, so yea a predator. 

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15 minutes ago, Cheetah said:

which Atlantic article?  I missed the original post I guess. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/06/when-your-child-is-a-psychopath/524502/

I had read the article several years ago. I didn't remember the details correctly when I gave a brief synopsis a thread or two ago. @indianabones found the article for me. It is disturbing though there is some hope that some of these children can be taught to overcome their lack of empathy. 

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8 minutes ago, neuroticcat said:

Tell me about M is for Mama please. I came across her on Instagram.

M is for Mama, a.k.a Abbie Halberstadt, a.k.a Braggie is a woman in Texas with 10 kids, and she dislikes every one of them! Seriously of all the people we follow she's the most brazen about how much she doesn't like her children.

She likes to make very long winded posts about how much better a christian she is than you, peppered with cringy words and phrases to sound cool like "rad", not so subtle digs at her children (especially 2 year old Shiloh), and random facts about the various rugs around her fun house of a mcmansion that no one would ever care about.

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35 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

It sure looks like him.  I can't imagine why he'd be there.  Does anyone know if it's just a doppleganger on the defense team?

The Pecan Thief was I deed there again today.

Someone on Reddit claims to have attended.  When asked how the family reacted this is what they had to say: "Very little reaction from them. Anna was front row all day just like yesterday. Derick was on front row. For the first part of the morning Austin was sitting in front row by man I only know as Santa clause but then went and sat with joy who sits towards the back. David Waller was in and out."

No mention of Anna crying.  Based on that, I am becoming more and more skeptical of the FW 'source'.  They seem to have said a lot of unverified things today ranging from the Anna crying comment to Bobye testifying (which we know for a fact didn't happen) to the court planning to adjourn for the day at lunch.

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I finally caught up!  This has been a super busy day irl and on top of that trying to sort all the stuff about Josh’s trial.  Let me add my thanks for the hard work the moderators have been doing.

Some Random Comments:

1. I am really impressed with the job both the prosecution and the defense have been doing.  The prosecution for their carefully developed, detailed case.  The defense for their valiant efforts to “huff and puff and blow the brick house of evidence down.”

2. Whether or not Anna cried, I truly feel for her.  She may not see the light. She will probably continue to support Josh. That doesn’t make her pain less real. (When a person who wasn’t wearing a seatbelt ends up hurt in a bad car accident you don’t snark about it.)

3. The back story of “the letter” and “Alice” seem to get confused a lot. As I understand it, the letter was written by a friend of the Duggars and placed in a book (source: the police report).  The letter may have been seen but was not written by “Alice.”  What “Alice” wrote was a post to a now-defunct blog. Though it talked about the abuse, it was equally focused on the grifting and had a particular grievance against JB’s mother. 

4. I feel bad for Jill who may have thought she was going to speak in court today but now will have to spend the weekend anticipating/worrying.

It’s been “a week” for all of us.  Imagine being a juror, a witness or just a concerned family member to any of them.   I hope the weekend gives them all peace and strength.

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@FiveAcres,  I think I've read that article from the Atlantic about treating kids with psychopathy  before.  It's really good.  

Also, any God that would "use" the pure evil of CSA is an asshole.

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34 minutes ago, neuroticcat said:

He is a pastor? 😡

Yes, and to be honest, I think he will be a fairly successful one. He knows public speaking. He has a perfect fundie wife. He has a bunch of adorable blonde children. Even though he is connected to the Duggars, his own family has not had any scandal. He’s a fundie dream leader. 

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The Sun just updated again and mentioned Bobye, while specifying that she testified in the pretrial hearing on Monday. They said nothing about her potentially having testified today, so it definitely sounds like the FW source was wrong.

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54 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

I know he was, but that doesn't explain why he'd be walking out with the defense team carrying a tote full of binders.

Not sure if he'd be there for Josh and Anna, but his younger brother testified yesterday so I assume he was there for him.

My guess is he was hovering to offer spiritual guidance and the defense lawyers suggested he make himself useful.

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I read a few Sun articles.  Seems Bobye testified Monday.

Anna left without seeing the video and pictures.  She bailed after a description by the female detective but before the actual proof.  I'm sorry but that pisses me off!  This man is around your children and you are backing him up, sit down and look.  

Jill and Jed are due to testify next week. I wonder why Jed? 

I think downloading csam while texting Anna is part of a sick kick he gets on top of everything else.  Same with watching his sisters go on TV to cover for him and other things.  He smiles a lot and I think he's enjoying this.  Agree with previous poster on that.  

Good grief, I need to sage everything rn. 

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4 minutes ago, Beermeet said:

 

I think downloading csam while texting Anna is part of a sick kick he gets on top of everything else.  Same with watching his sisters go on TV to cover for him and other things.  He smiles a lot and I think he's enjoying this.  Agree with previous poster on that.  

I agree. And it has been a part of him since he assaulted the five year old on his lap in public during Bible study. It truly doesn't get much sicker than that. 

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12 minutes ago, Beermeet said:

Jill and Jed are due to testify next week. I wonder why Jed? 

 

He worked at the car lot with Josh.  I expect it will be related to who had access to the computer and such.

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40 minutes ago, Queen Of Hearts said:

No mention of Anna crying.  Based on that, I am becoming more and more skeptical of the FW 'source'.  They seem to have said a lot of unverified things today ranging from the Anna crying comment to Bobye testifying (which we know for a fact didn't happen) to the court planning to adjourn for the day at lunch.

The only thing I read about Anna crying was when the prosecutor was making the point that Josh was at the car lot downloading stuff and was at the same time texting Anna.  The remark was something along the lines of "Anna seems upset" but it didn't sound as if she cried long or was that obvious about it.

I don't know whether the FW site is always accurate or not.  I don't post there but I did sign up so I can read there occasionally.  The person posting about the trial seems to live in the area and be either fundie or ex-fundie.  She has been so affected by the trial that she's taken breaks and had family members update her on what she's missed.  She doesn't seem to have an agenda or a particular ax to grind.  

For what it's worth, there are other sites also saying that Bobye Holt testified on Monday during the evidentiary hearing.  This wasn't in front of the jury so maybe the Sun isn't using any material that the jury didn't hear.

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Whether Anna cried or not (it sounds like she didn't), I'm disgusted to see she was still clinging to him after court today. 

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2 minutes ago, Xan said:

 

For what it's worth, there are other sites also saying that Bobye Holt testified on Monday during the evidentiary hearing.  This wasn't in front of the jury so maybe the Sun isn't using any material that the jury didn't hear.

But wasn't FW implying that she testifies today? And they were saying things that I don't recall was ever reported from Monday's hearing (such as the girls having to fight Josh off).  These are the type of things that are making many of us suspicious.

Has anyone questioned the OP in FW and, if so, how do they explain this?

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1 hour ago, neuroticcat said:

Tell me about M is for Mama please. I came across her on Instagram.

Was linked in the last thread right before it locked. I can’t link it here for some reason but the title is “When Your Child is a psychopath, by: Barbara Bradley Hagerty

He is a pastor? 😡

Listen…do yourself a favor and do not go down the M is for Mama rabbit hole right now. There are not enough hours in the day to follow Josh’s case and get up to speed on M is for Mama. You’ll just end up disgusted and exhausted and hating humanity and particularly those who evoke Jesus at every turn.

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4 minutes ago, Queen Of Hearts said:

But wasn't FW implying that she testifies today? And they were saying things that I don't recall was ever reported from Monday's hearing (such as the girls having to fight Josh off).  These are the type of things that are making many of us suspicious.

Has anyone questioned the OP in FW and, if so, how do they explain this?

I did see in one of the articles that stated one of the girls woke up and hit him, told parents.   But, FW account is more than 1 and more dramatic of a visual,  imo. 

Yeah, has anyone just asked?  

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9 minutes ago, Giraffe said:

Whether Anna cried or not (it sounds like she didn't), I'm disgusted to see she was still clinging to him after court today. 

It reminded me of how she clung to his arm early on when they were engaged.  There is this one clip where Josh is working a crowd and she is holding on to him for dear life. She looked terrified then and she looked so today. Like a frightened child. 
 

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15 minutes ago, Queen Of Hearts said:

Has anyone questioned the OP in FW and, if so, how do they explain this?

From what I read earlier, she answered very few questions.  She posted a lot about the trial so most of the comments underneath  the post were other people talking among themselves about what she was posting.  She mentioned Bobye Holt in an update but she didn't specify that Bobye spoke today.  I get what you're saying.  Her even mentioning that testimony in her updates makes it seem as if it happened today.  I don't know if the lawyers got to read in stuff from the evidentiary hearing or if the OP was just remembering the material from Monday.  It really isn't clear.

ETA:  She mentions at the top that Facebook is limiting her comments so maybe that's why she wasn't fielding questions...?

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1 minute ago, onekidanddone said:

It reminded me of how she clung to his arm early on when they were engaged.  There is this one clip where Josh is working a crowd and she is holding on to him for dear life. She looked terrified then and she looked so today. Like a frightened child. 
 

I don’t believe it’s clinging to Josh that Anna clings to. I believe she is clinging to the promise her father made and the promise her faith promised her. 

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1 hour ago, indianabones said:

I know- I tried to find an update about the girl they profiled, but since I'm assuming they used pseudonyms and the author hasn't posted anything, nada. I'm hoping she gained more impulse control, if not empathy.

I don't think Josh is a psychopath. I think he's a pedophile who is also a product of being the firstborn son in an extremely patriarchal family where his actions were conveniently excused by Gothard's preachings about how boys and men are so easily tempted, and that sexual abuse is a message from God. I've attached some of his pamphlets under a spoiler that talk about exactly what IBLP had to say about sexual abuse.

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#6 tho.  These people should be in jail.  I'm always horrified at what is allowed to happen because religious protection.   This is straight up how to train a victim. And they love having babies but this is OK?  They are allowed to run for political office.  Omg.  It's so bad.

Did I see a respite thread.........

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I am not sure how this link will work, but this timeline about the “coincidence” of times at which Josh downloaded CSAM and his communication with Anna is one of the clearest.

Pest Timeline — U/ saki444 Reddit, DuggarSnark

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Expand description once I knew the link would work.
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