Clara Nolkamper: I Have 11 Children

[DLA]

10 hours ago, Nefernandes15 said:

He still looks really small compared to Teddy (#10)... This one will probably be normal size, but we still don't know how far along she is, I think she started hinting at something when Elliot was like 2 months 

I don't know, I wondered last time if it was a sign maybe her body or uterus can't keep up with this many pregnancies. I think she mentioned there was no specific cause for why he was born so small. So I'm curious if it was just a one time thing.

[Nefernandes15]

14 hours ago, DLA said:

I don't know, I wondered last time if it was a sign maybe her body or uterus can't keep up with this many pregnancies. I think she mentioned there was no specific cause for why he was born so small. So I'm curious if it was just a one time thing.

There's children who are naturally small, but I dont know, she had many already, I'm afraid is something more, but like I said Idk... Let's wait and see with this one. 

Probably we dont have to wait a lot ? she's probably like 7 months pregnant so...

[BritishBabycatcher]

Elliott was a definite IUGR baby. He wasnt just a SGA (small for gestational age) he just showed every physical symptom of IUGR...now this can be caused by a number of reasons. Mainly placental function....my guess is that she had PIH or pre-eclampsia. And the way she delivered (very very quickly) also corresponds with some kind of raised blood pressure issue. 

She reported in an article before that she has had blood pressure issues in a number of pregnancies previously so I'm guessing this was the same....so shes at high risk and I personally wouldn't advise home births with her history. She also has had some c sections and preemies so I wouldnt do a home births as her risks are mounting. 

I'm all for home births and even have attended quite a few during the pandemic (2 of which were against medical advice) but if I got called to someone with Clara's history I would honestly shit myself. 

[Nike]

8 hours ago, BritishBabycatcher said:

Elliott was a definite IUGR baby. He wasnt just a SGA (small for gestational age) he just showed every physical symptom of IUGR...now this can be caused by a number of reasons. Mainly placental function....my guess is that she had PIH or pre-eclampsia. And the way she delivered (very very quickly) also corresponds with some kind of raised blood pressure issue. 

She reported in an article before that she has had blood pressure issues in a number of pregnancies previously so I'm guessing this was the same....so shes at high risk and I personally wouldn't advise home births with her history. She also has had some c sections and preemies so I wouldnt do a home births as her risks are mounting. 

I'm all for home births and even have attended quite a few during the pandemic (2 of which were against medical advice) but if I got called to someone with Clara's history I would honestly shit myself. 

She alluded to some "complications" during pregnancy, by calling it a "curve ball". She was getting ready to accompany B to his cancer treatment and something happened so her mother had to take her place.  Clara said something along the lines of "grow, baby, grow" are there were concerns about his growth. 

ETA she usually humble brags about her fertile body that I wonder how she would react if she developed pregnancy related problems.

Edited September 23, 2020 by Nike

[Adie]

On the post with the photo of her bump and the words “oh baby baby” on it, she replied to somebody saying that she had an accidental chemotherapy exposure during the pregnancy and that the placenta did good to last as long as it did.  

[indianabones]

7 minutes ago, Adie said:

On the post with the photo of her bump and the words “oh baby baby” on it, she replied to somebody saying that she had an accidental chemotherapy exposure during the pregnancy and that the placenta did good to last as long as it did.  

How the hell does THAT happen?

[JermajestyDuggar]

6 minutes ago, indianabones said:

How the hell does THAT happen?

That’s exactly what I was thinking! 

[Kailash]

Maybe she went with her son to chemo when she didn’t know she was pregnant?

[Adie]

25 minutes ago, indianabones said:

How the hell does THAT happen?

I know!!!!!  Trying to figure that out!!!
 

19 minutes ago, Kailash said:

Maybe she went with her son to chemo when she didn’t know she was pregnant?

Going to it wouldn’t be enough..it’s given via a drip, so unless she absorbed it via vomit or something? 

[indianabones]

42 minutes ago, Adie said:

Going to it wouldn’t be enough..it’s given via a drip, so unless she absorbed it via vomit or something? 

You can take chemotherapy pills. A woman recently died after being given them by mistake instead of her prescribed medication.

But if your kid had cancer, and you were pregnant, wouldn't you be super duper careful about things like that?

[Adie]

19 minutes ago, indianabones said:

You can take chemotherapy pills. A woman recently died after being given them by mistake instead of her prescribed medication.

You're right - forgot about the pills - I think I just presumed that because he was an inpatient, it would be IV. 

[theotherelise]

I'm pretty sure Brayden (sp) had a PICC line for chemo. 

[3splenty]

Some medications, even in pill form, can be absorbed through the skin.  I remember having to wear chemo-safe gloves while handling specific medications, pregnant or not.

[NotQuiteMotY]

On 9/22/2020 at 3:11 AM, DLA said:

I don't know, I wondered last time if it was a sign maybe her body or uterus can't keep up with this many pregnancies. I think she mentioned there was no specific cause for why he was born so small. So I'm curious if it was just a one time thing.

To be fair, sometimes they really don't know. Both of mine had IUGR; the first was for unknown reasons, the second they could tell the placenta was basically acting postdates when I was a couple weeks shy of term, but still not why. 

[Aine]

Yeah, I'm struggling to see how the accidental chemo exposure could happen. I'm trying to imagine a circumstance where the parent of a child getting inpatient chemo treatments through a PICC line and intrathecally would ever handle the chemotherapy drug.

He had Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia (ALL), right? The gold standard protocol for that has all treatment being administered by medical professionals and usually (but not always) in a specialist pediatric facility. I mention the pediatric part because I know the hospital I worked at was used to the patients having a pregnant mother. Of course it's not even close to being the majority but it's far from unusual for some children to have a pregnant mother so there were a lot of policies and procedures around that.

It seems more possible that she could have been exposed to some sort of radiation, especially if it happened before she knew she was pregnant, but still improbable.

The reason that makes the most sense to me for IUGR would simply be stress. Finding out your child has cancer, being away from your spouse and other children to be with your child being treated for cancer, watching your child go through those brutal treatments for cancer...if they're not legitimate reasons for experiencing a toxic-level of stress that impacts your entire body and health, and therefore your unborn child, then I don't know what is! I wonder if she would see stress affecting the growth of the fetus as a personal failure on her part? It isn't, in fact it's absolutely an understandable outcome of a child's cancer diagnosis, but some Christians view stress as a personal failing because they aren't putting enough faith in God and His 'plan'. ?‍♀️

 

[Adie]

1 hour ago, Aine said:

Yeah, I'm struggling to see how the accidental chemo exposure could happen. I'm trying to imagine a circumstance where the parent of a child getting inpatient chemo treatments through a PICC line and intrathecally would ever handle the chemotherapy drug.

 

 

1 hour ago, Aine said:

The reason that makes the most sense to me for IUGR would simply be stress. Finding out your child has cancer, being away from your spouse and other children to be with your child being treated for cancer, watching your child go through those brutal treatments for cancer...if they're not legitimate reasons for experiencing a toxic-level of stress that impacts your entire body and health, and therefore your unborn child, then I don't know what is! I wonder if she would see stress affecting the growth of the fetus as a personal failure on her part? It isn't, in fact it's absolutely an understandable outcome of a child's cancer diagnosis, but some Christians view stress as a personal failing because they aren't putting enough faith in God and His 'plan'. ?‍♀️

 

Thank you! I can’t see any situation where any pregnant parent would be handling their child’s chemo drugs in any form. I’m thinking she was exposed to fluids post-chemo such as through him vomiting?  
 

IUGR - two of my three had it, middle child was most obvious, the little “bird” face.  Stress definitely played a massive part (my dad was taken ill when I was 28 weeks and we were told he had hours left, they ventilated him and we spent 48 hours waiting for him to die. He didn’t - they called him Lazarus in the ICU and lived for two more years, albeit on home oxygen).  It was a hugely stressful time, massively stressful.   And you’re right - some Christian’s view stress as not trusting completely in God’s plan...so it may be something that’s never admitted. 
 

BTW - you’ve an Irish connection with your name?!! 

[mango_fandango]

Erika Shupe had her 7th child just 10.5 months after her 6th, and then her twins came along 11 months after that. 4 kids in less than two years... 

[JermajestyDuggar]

1 hour ago, mango_fandango said:

Erika Shupe had her 7th child just 10.5 months after her 6th, and then her twins came along 11 months after that. 4 kids in less than two years... 

And I think that’s probably what broke her. And now all the kids go to school and Karen is free.

[Aine]

2 hours ago, Adie said:

BTW - you’ve an Irish connection with your name?!!

Yes, my Papa was Irish (born and raised- my great-grandfather fought in the Irish War of Independence as a teenager) and I was mostly raised by him and my Nana in Australia. My Granda (my great-grandfather) and my Papa nicknamed me Aine because I was their "A stóirín fairy" but feisty "like a Queen." I was a tiny baby and always very small and petite child- I only grew to a little above 5 foot when I was 17, so a super late growth spurt and well after Granda died. The nickname came before I was old enough to remember how it started but that's what they always told me was the story behind it.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Aine

[Cults-r-us]

2 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

And I think that’s probably what broke her. And now all the kids go to school and Karen is free.

Plus wasn't one child on the spectrum? Plus her dietary restrictions - didn't she need iron infusions? I wonder how she is now? She is another fav fundie.

[smittykins]

There was speculation that one of them(Brandon?)was on the spectrum, but I don’t think it was ever confirmed.

[fundiewatch]

I miss Erica Shupe *chuckle.* Remember the daily salad lunches? She was a deeply repressed woman. 

[JMarie]

On 9/13/2020 at 10:20 AM, Nefernandes15 said:

Ohhhh my!! Isn't Elliot 9 months old? Is She on her 8th month?? Jesus Christ!!!! 

homeschool_mama's instagram (locked) says she's had 12 kids in 13 years. And she's only 31. 

I. Can't. Even.

[JermajestyDuggar]

11 minutes ago, JMarie said:

homeschool_mama's instagram (locked) says she's had 12 kids in 13 years. And she's only 31. 

I. Can't. Even.

I would be embarrassed to admit it because people would know that we didn’t wait the six weeks that the doctor often recommends. 

[Skyline]

On 9/21/2020 at 2:15 PM, Skyline said:

I had twins, c section, I couldn't even imagine getting it on that soon after. I was so exhausted I probably would have just fallen asleep ?.

I was sent this by a friend. In case anyone is wondering the answer is D ?