Lori Alexander 57: The Wisdom and the Folly

[usmcmom]

When has their "main ministry" NOT been to their family?  Ken and Lori certainly don't seem to have friends, let alone any ministries in their lives. Lori could not even be bothered to come home from vacation to be with her dying mother.  I guess her parents don't count as "family." 

We might have found someone who defines the word even more strangely than the Maxwell crew. 

[klein_roeschen]

4 minutes ago, usmcmom said:

When has their "main ministry" NOT been to their family?  Ken and Lori certainly don't seem to have friends, let alone any ministries in their lives. Lori could not even be bothered to come home from vacation to be with her dying mother.  I guess her parents don't count as "family." 

We might have found someone who defines the word even more strangely than the Maxwell crew. 

Not surprising. If they are only half the douches in real live, than no wonder. Maybe they are even on the no-go list from the jehova's witnesses soul winning.

[ladyicantxplain]

8 hours ago, luv2laugh said:

She definitely spiritually abused them.  She has this video where she tells her grandchildren that if they dont behave, snakes will come to bite them  ... she laughingly says  to them "remember abut the snake in the bible and what it did?"  She is proud of this? 

I've just viewed the infamous snakes of the Old Testament teaching video today for the first time.

Who DOES this as a teaching method?

And while she is "teaching" the younger women how to "love" their children (by threatening them with fear by way of bites of poisonous snakes)...she is SADISTICALLY LAUGHING and giggling!

It's one of the weirdest things I've ever seen.

This women needs DELIVERANCE.

[AuntKrazy]

I found Lori's post today vulgar and crass.  

Then to follow with her doodle regarding a lack of conflict resolution in marriage is nonsensical.  IMHO, Lori seems to be ramping up for another attempt to go viral - probably about "no such thing as rape in Christian marriage" or some such deception.  She seems to be the epitome of "the devil quoting Scripture" at the moment. 

The fundies we discuss here all seem so maladept at intimate relationships.  To me, when Lori seems  unable to navigate normal relational conflict with her most intimate partner, it logically follows that she lacks the ability to possess insight on having an intimate relationship with God as well.

 

[feministxtian]

4 hours ago, ladyicantxplain said:

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I wrote this yesterday, and need to clarify: my kids are alive because of Jesus Christ.  I believe God provided the  healthcare we were allowed to have because of our desperate financial situation with two critically ill newborns, back to back.

This is my stance on this: God provided both the miracles, and the health insurance and care that kept them alive.

I do not understand how Lori can say that God provides THROUGH A MAN (the husband) but He cannot provide THROUGH other means as well (any source He deems useful at the time).  After all, He is "in charge" according to Lori. So, either He is in charge or He is not.  IF He is "in charge", then HE gave us the healthcare to keep our babies alive and healthy while He simultaneously did miracles in front of the Doctors (healed cancer, etc.).

I just wish she would stop and think about what she is preaching.

AMEN!!! I am convinced that my husband is alive for the same reason. Check this out. We're living in Virginia, the specialists there say there's nothing to be done for him, pain control is about it. I apply for a job in Phoenix and we pack up and move. Not 3 months after moving, we find out there's a team of doctors down the road in Tucson that can do the life-saving surgery he needs. He was accepted for surgery, had the surgery and had the best outcome he could have...AND we had double insurance at the time so not a DIME was needed out of pocket for a 500K medical bill. 

Yeah...God provided the string of things that happened. I looked for the doors and He opened them. Last but not least. The job I have now. I never applied for it, their recruiters pulled my resume from Monster or Careerbuilder or one of those. As a result, we have a nice place to live and a nice SUV in the garage. So putting my resume on Monster/Careerbuilder/Indeed led to other doors being opened. 

[SuperNova]

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Bladder and kidney issues have healed right up with “Clear Tract” for me. (You can buy it on Amazon.) I have used it numerous times and it heals it up each time without fail and no side effects as with antibiotics. I always go for natural means before seeking medical advice. The body has an amazing ability to heal itself of most infections if given the right nutrition and supplementation.

I know this quote was already posted but I wanted to comment on this specific portion of it. This is yet another example of Lori giving shitty health advice and one that I really take personal issue with. 

If you have what feels like a recurring bladder infection, see a trained medical professional right away!! There is a nasty auto-immune disease called interstitial cystitis that presents identically to a bladder infection. All the symptoms feel the same and even a urine test for white blood cells to detect infection can fool doctors because IC causes elevated white blood cells just like a UTI. The only way to know if you have it to have a urine culture and a cystoscopy. Potassium, caffeine, cranberry tablets, vinegar, or anything acidic can exacerbate the symptoms greatly and cause further damage because IC is an inflammation of the bladder, sometimes with ulcers. Getting a treatment plan in place asap is critical to avoid damaging your bladder. Clear Tract tablets won't do shit for it.

I have IC and it sucks more than I can say. It's like a bladder infection that never goes away. The pain and the urge can be constant. I've had it for about four years now. The first year was hell but with my doctor's help, pills, and diet changes it has become well managed and I only have an occasional flare-up. If Mr Nova expected intimacy on demand during that first year I would have honestly considered a divorce. Luckily though, Mr isn't a selfish d-bag and as always, is nothing but supportive. 

[Sarah92]

I mean I have a friend that I've discussed sex with but I think some of it stems from our backgrounds. Neither of us had much talk or education on the topic so it's a way to share information and such. But its not a topic I constantly throw around and bring up, especially not in large groups of people. Some things are just private. 

[feministxtian]

I don't know the people Lori claims to know (or overhear)...maybe they're from her home planet.

[ladyicantxplain]

21 minutes ago, Sarah92 said:

I mean I have a friend that I've discussed sex with but I think some of it stems from our backgrounds. Neither of us had much talk or education on the topic so it's a way to share information and such. But its not a topic I constantly throw around and bring up, especially not in large groups of people. Some things are just private. 

Exactly. I have ONE married friend with whom I discuss sex and marital intimacy regularly. The ONLY reason is because she is a very strong Christian woman and we PRAY about the issues together.  

We have worked through some serious issues that no one in the "church" has yet been willing to tackle: our past sexual abuse as children and how it affects our marriages (if at all, anymore), past abuse in my marriage (physical, emotional, spiritual, financial, and sexual abuse), and how to pray regarding sex when there is a separation (my husband and I have experienced numerous marital separations in the past.)  I do value my friendship with this woman greatly: there is no one else that has helped the way she has.

That being said, I truly believe Lori's post today belongs in a WOMAN'S ONLY private group: this is NOT okay for so many reasons, to be posted on her public church blog, any more than it would be okay for a pastor to stand in a pulpit and start preaching about sex to a mixed audience.  It IS vulgar and lacks discernment.  I recall once in the chat room that we were forbidden from discussing how to help a woman have an orgasm (many women have never had an orgasm; it is very common).  But Lori is okay to broadcast things about sex to tens of thousands of people online.

While I appreciate Lori being bold enough to tackle sexuality as a topic in the Church, I believe there was a MUCH more tasteful and appropriate way for her to do so.  Certainly not in front of 80K plus people of mixed gender.

 

[usmcmom]

2 hours ago, ladyicantxplain said:

While I appreciate Lori being bold enough to tackle sexuality as a topic in the Church, I believe there was a MUCH more tasteful and appropriate way for her to do so.  Certainly not in front of 80K plus people of mixed gender.

 

Great point!  My biggest complaint about Lori's posts on sex is that she continually screeches "I ONLY TEACH WOMEN!" 

She can go on all she wants about nourishing meals, childcare, keeping the home...blah blah blah. To write posts on the sexual relationship in a marriage, though, and insist that they only apply to wives is just wrong. That is a part of marriage that should not be divided. Scripturally, man and woman are equal in this area. Contrary to Lori's attitude, the Bible does not say that a man's sexual needs are more important than his wife's.  We cannot, in any healthy way, talk about sexual intimacy without including  BOTH spouses.

If she is unwilling to address it as an issue for COUPLES, she needs to avoid the topic all together. The fact the Ken and Lori don't recognize this is just solid proof that they have no idea what a healthy sex life in marriage is all about. 

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

9 minutes ago, usmcmom said:

solid proof that they have no idea what a healthy sex life in marriage is all about. 

I firmly believe LoriKen do not now nor have they ever had a healthy sex life

I firmly believe that all those years when Lori was so so sick there was very little if any sex in their marriage,  Lori was not/ is not the type of woman to give it up when sick.  I think she probably said "not tonight i have a headache" for 10 to 20 straight years. 

I firmly believe that Lori is one of those women who just lies there staring at the ceiling waiting for it to be over.  I can't imagine her ever being an enthusiastic partner.  

I also firmly believe that the only difference between the bad old days when Lori was a shrewish, unsubmissive wife and now is that she "gives" Ken sex, i.e.. grudgingly lets him do it 2 or 3 times a week for 10 minutes max rather than the maybe once a month in the old days.  

She's still a shrew though.

[ladyicantxplain]

5 minutes ago, usmcmom said:

Great point!  My biggest complaint about Lori's posts on sex is that she continually screeches "I ONLY TEACH WOMEN!" 

She can go on all she wants about nourishing meals, childcare, keeping the home...blah blah blah. To write posts on the sexual relationship in a marriage, though, and insist that they only apply to wives is just wrong. That is a part of marriage that should not be divided. Scripturally, man and woman are equal in this area. Contrary to Lori's attitude, the Bible does not say that a man's sexual needs are more important than his wife's.  We cannot, in any healthy way, talk about sexual intimacy without including  BOTH spouses.

If she is unwilling to address it as an issue for COUPLES, she needs to avoid the topic all together. The fact the Ken and Lori don't recognize this is just solid proof that they have no idea what a healthy sex life in marriage is all about. 

Yes. A thousand times, yes, to everything you just wrote.

Ken and Lori are ONE, whether or not either one of them has any revelation of what this actually means.  I'm leaning towards neither one of them having any revelation and understanding, based upon what she wrote being one flesh means, scripturally  speaking.  From her own words, it appears she has narrowed this to mean "sexually they are one", which is good, because this is true, but it is the RESULT of unity OUTSIDE of the bedroom, not the CAUSE of unity outside of the bedroom!  It is relational unity and relational intimacy that breeds good sexual unity, not the other way around. The quote from her post today illustrates how shallow I believe her understanding of "one flesh" to be presently.

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“For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh” (Matthew 19:5). What this means is that sex is a very important part of marriage. It helps us to avoid fornication. Marriage is a safe and holy place where a man and woman can enjoy each other’s bodies. 

Just as we are one with the Father and the Son through the Holy Spirit (all of the fullness of the Godhead dwells in us bodily - Col. 2:9), we are one in marriage in spirit, soul and body. 

In spirit, because we are both "in Christ" (and even if one spouse is not a believer, the unbelieving one is "set apart" (sanctified) for Christ because they are one!) He or she gets a lot of the benefits of the believing spouse's covenant with the Father, because of marriage covenant. But this unity is particularly lovely when both are believers, because of the unity in Christ and the unified thinking and joint faith.

In soul, because our minds and our wills and our emotions begin to take on a unity as we have relationship with our best friend and life partner in marriage.   People who have been married a lifetime can easily finish one another's sentences. They can make decisions for one another because they KNOW each other's mind, heart, and will so well.  They can easily "walk in each other's shoes" and know empathy for one another at all times.

In body, by way of sexual union. The sexual union can be good without the spirit and soul unity being there and cultivated, but I maintain that it cannot be GREAT.  Sex alone does not support a relationship. 

Lori and Ken seem to have it upside-down: have this fantastic sex life, which will "glue" you somehow to your man, and cement the unity in the other areas (emotional/soul arena and spiritual unity arena).  I don't buy it.  I've tried this method and it was a massive failure.  I'm not the only one.

The RELATIONAL unity has to be there. You can have all the sex you want, but without revelation of what one flesh truly means to God the Father, the relationship will be one-dimensional and at least one spouse will be resentful and dissatisfied.   

And, frankly, it is tragic that she would write to wives that pain during sexual intimacy is acceptable on any level.  How is a woman supposed to "enjoy her husband's body" when she is in pain at all?  How is a man supposed to "enjoy his wife's body" knowing that she is in pain at all, or worse, that she is concealing pain or lying to him in order to avoid confronting this very serious issue?

Sickening advice which Ken should have already shut down as a godly husband.

 

Adding this: what I wrote pertains to biblical marriages. People who do not wish for biblical marriage (becoming one flesh as defined in the scriptures) may not care if they are unified in all areas or growing towards this at all times.

[Pink Muffin]

This is Lori, she´s not a Christian, not even a "christian". But a hateful, cold hearted evil crone. She shared this drivel written by Nancy Cambell´s husband Colin Cambell. I´m just going to leave it here since I´m too disgusted to write anything. Let me just say: fuck you Lori! 

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[cindyluvs24]

6 hours ago, ladyicantxplain said:

This women needs DELIVERANCE.

She needs a legitimate orgasm.

[PinkPrincess0213]

All I saw in that was "Meat for Men" and immediately flashed to The Office (American) where Michael throws a bachelor party and keeps running around asking people if they want "his man meat"....

[Loveday]

50 minutes ago, Pink Muffin said:

This is Lori, she´s not a Christian, not even a "christian". But a hateful, cold hearted evil crone. She shared this drivel written by Nancy Cambell´s husband Colin Cambell. I´m just going to leave it here since I´m too disgusted to write anything. Let me just say: fuck you Lori! 

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I just came across this on her FB page and could NOT believe what I was reading. 

[Liza]

This, with her laughing, just creeps me out.  There is something VERY wrong with Lori.   

[dairyfreelife]

1 hour ago, Pink Muffin said:

This is Lori, she´s not a Christian, not even a "christian". But a hateful, cold hearted evil crone. She shared this drivel written by Nancy Cambell´s husband Colin Cambell. I´m just going to leave it here since I´m too disgusted to write anything. Let me just say: fuck you Lori! 

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I hear this BS over and over and over about illegals coming to vote. You (those saying this, not you Pink Muffin) idiots. You are voting and don't even realize who can vote. Illegal immigrants can't vote and there's not any evidence I've seen that they are sneaking votes somehow. You can't even vote on a green card. Only full citizens over the age of 18 can vote and there's restrictions even then. In some states, if you have a felony, you cannot vote, as an example. 

Also, really ignorant on his part. You can have several kids and brainwash them as much as you think you can, but you still cannot guarantee they'll vote or believe what you believe. 

[SuperNova]

This asshole:

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I can’t blame unsaved men for using most “modern” women as sex toys and then discarding them. They know the sex, respect, and submission, all usually drop to nearly nothing shortly after marriage, and then after being relationally defrauded for years, your kids, home, and future earnings, are eventually all stolen from you. Many foolish women are now being repeatedly used, devalued, and disrespected by a long list of men, before they even get the chance to use, devalue, and disrespect that one special man who marries them.

Meet Lori's new friend, Elias. He thinks men should use women like sex toys. Get them before they get you seems to be what he's really saying.

Lori can't let anyone water down her message with nonsense like pain or health issues but this type of hate is pushed right through.

[ladyicantxplain]

Okay, a couple of things about The Snakes Video:

We are to teach our children. It is good to teach children not to complain excessively.  It is NOT GOOD to teach children using FEAR-BASED methods of twisted scriptures from the Old Covenant (which the children are no longer under!  At all!) in order to stop them from complaining!  If we do this, we will end up with external behavior modification (no complaining), but internal torment (fear comes with torment).  This is called SPIRITUAL ABUSE, as several have mentioned earlier. This is NOT "training up a child in the way he should go."  Did Jesus do this?  No.  Jesus did not do this.  If Jesus did not do this, we also should not do this.

Second, this whole thing about "suffering in silence"...WHERE is this in the Word?  It is not there. There is not a single command that a believer "suffer in silence" or teach others to "suffer in silence."  Instead, there is this: cast your cares upon the LORD, for He cares for you.   

The whole thing about the suffering child who was hurting just about made me ill.

This is what the Word has to say:

13 If any of you are suffering, they should pray. If any of you are happy, they should sing. 14 If any of you are sick, they should call for the elders of the church, and the elders should pray over them, anointing them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 Prayer that comes from faith will heal the sick, for the Lord will restore them to health.

No, Lori, the Word doesn't tell us to teach our children to fear snake bites and "suffer silently"...the Word tells us to PRAY for one another and the LORD WILL RESTORE us to health!

THIS is love!

What you have spoken is bordering on satanic and completely false teaching.  

[klein_roeschen]

3 hours ago, SuperNova said:

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I can’t blame unsaved men for using most “modern” women as sex toys and then discarding them. They know the sex, respect, and submission, all usually drop to nearly nothing shortly after marriage, and then after being relationally defrauded for years, your kids, home, and future earnings, are eventually all stolen from you. Many foolish women are now being repeatedly used, devalued, and disrespected by a long list of men, before they even get the chance to use, devalue, and disrespect that one special man who marries them.

Meet Lori's new friend, Elias. He thinks men should use women like sex toys. Get them before they get you seems to be what he's really saying.

Lori can't let anyone water down her message with nonsense like pain or health issues but this type of hate is pushed right through.

Because guys like him and his opinion is exacly what Lori is teaching. Women have to "earn" the respect of men like him by having no opinion and no will of their own. They mistake being treated like a king/ god by a woman with respect and demand being treaten this way. They, like Lori can't imagine that most women and men marry each other because of mutual love and the desire to build a life together instead of a business transaction. And while Lori preach what they think, they come to her and show their ugly faces and give Lori and extra ego push.

[Hane]

@feministxtian, you’re the only other person I’ve ever met who’s gotten a job via Monster! After I got laid off in 2007, I threw a first draft of my resume there, and got a call from my now-employer. I consider it a miracle.

[wallysmommy]

Lori drivel — my house is better than yours, my kids are better, my food is better, now it’s my sex life is better. To quote Elaine Benes “fake, fake, fake, fake.”

[Botkinetti]

For all the blithering Lori does about being a “ godly older woman “ I think the sex talk is her desperately wanting to be seen as a young , desirable woman. She wants her readers to believe that Ken is positivily panting after her. Ken also wants to be seen as a young , virile stud, up for sex every moment of the day. I think their reality is quite different but their shared delusions help prop up a disfunctional relationship.

[crawfishgirl]

I was busy this week, so I just read the comments from the last few days on Lori's facebook page.  My quick observation is that it is really devolving from her sick 'women should only submit' bullshit to an almost exclusively MRA response from men.  There really aren't that many women left on there who are still agreeing with her from a Christian perspective (though there will always be a 'remnant', as she likes to say), and it's turning into some hardcore hatred from men.  How in the world does that fit into her supposed agenda of teaching Christianity to younger women?  How do any of the MRA comments really support a Christian perspective?  She is truly off the rails now.  I'd love to know what the people who know her in real life think of this.