Trump 4: Now With Less Orange Tan

[Dandruff]

1 hour ago, Mecca said:

Pence may have won on style because he can openly lie with a straight face, but Kaine clearly kicked his ass on substance. Just goes to show how many people truly do not understand what is being said including some in the freaking media. 

I'm concerned that a lot of people may vote for style, due to either a lack of understanding of substance, or a simple unwillingness to think too hard about the candidates at all.

I'm for Kaine, and certainly not for Pence, but felt that Kaine was really obnoxious during the debate.  I'm not saying he shouldn't have repeatedly called Pence out, but I hope he didn't lose too much voter "appeal" by doing so.  People can be really superficial...even about important decisions.

[Cartmann99]

2 hours ago, VelociRapture said:

As the wife of an Accountant this makes me happy. Maybe it was stupid of me, but I was rather offended when Trump took credit for writing off the money. Accountants work ridiculously hard to prepare tax returns - my husband logged over 80 hours in one week this past Tax Season - and it pisses me off when people don't give credit where it's due. 

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And I haven't seen anyone mention it yet, but I just spoke with my brother and he brought up a comment Pence made about people with disabilities. He apparently said he's passed legislation as Governor that protected vulnerable populations - and then immediately listed unborn children and people with disabilities as examples.

My brother works in Disability Services at a college in our state and he said social media was blowing up last night over it because it's just such an asshole comparison to make. He's on his way to an event concerning Disability Services and he said local Reps for both candidates will be there. He's going to ask about that if no one else does.

If any of Trump's employees do something, he thinks it's fine to take credit for their work. 

I would like to hear the response your brother got at the event, if you are comfortable sharing. 

[GreyhoundFan]

19 hours ago, Cartmann99 said:

Good thing I stuck with internet radio then.

 Did you guys catch what Pence said about the Clinton Foundation? Pence said less than 10 cents of every dollar they raise goes to programs and services and that the Clintons just use the Foundation so they can travel the world. According to Charity Navigator, 86.9% of the Clinton Foundation money goes to the programs and services they provide.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=16680

It seems the 10% figure is an article of faith on the right.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/10/04/mike-pence-runs-conservative-media-lie-about-clinton-foundation-s-charitable-spending/213538

I heard what he said about the Clinton Foundation. It was blatantly untrue. The fact checkers all agreed that Kaine had the facts right and Pence either lied or screwed them up.

 

11 hours ago, VelociRapture said:

Kaine did attack Pence's record at times though. I'm specifically thinking about his comments on abortion - I'm pretty sure he pointed out Pence's views on that.

I was also half asleep though, so I could be wrong on that. 

To be honest, I saw his interrupting Pence as more of an attempt to fact check him and force him to actually answer questions than anything. Pence is just as slippery as Trump, but far more polished. If you pay attention to his answers, he rarely started out by actually answering anything he was asked. 

None of what Pence did or said last night is really going to matter much though if Trump continues to refuse to adequately prepare for the debates. The name at the top of the ticket is the one that pulls the most weight.

You're right, he did attack Pence's record a bit, just not as much as I'd like. Yeah, I know, I'm fussy!! I heard something on our local news radio station today that said the VP debate rarely changes minds, but this election is like no other.

 

6 hours ago, RoseWilder said:

I'm really confused by why so many people online (not here, but other places) think the Pence won the debate. He behaved like a total asshole. He kept making snide remarks to Kaine like, "when you're back in the Senate. . . " 

He behaved like a rude, smug asshole the whole time. And he lied so many times that I lost count. But he was calm, so that counts as a victory. 

So I guess all that matters to the American people is that a person can lie calmly to their face.  Personally, I find it chilling when a person can so calmly lie like that. It gives off a really strong sociopath vibe. 

I think the smug crap angered me the most. Pence is a smooth liar. Most of the things I've heard locally (I live near Washington DC) have indicated that on facts, Kaine won; on presentation, Pence won. Sadly, many folks don't really pay attention to what is being said in a debate (or elsewhere...)

 

5 hours ago, AmazonGrace said:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/jack-mitnick-donald-trump-taxes-brilliance-229114

Donald Trump’s former accountant challenged the Republican presidential nominee’s assertion that he “brilliantly” used tax laws to avoid paying federal taxes.

“I did all the tax preparation. He never saw the product until it was presented to him for signature,” Jack Mitnick, a former Trump family accountant, told Inside Edition’s Steven Fabian in an interview broadcast Tuesday.

Yeah, but Trump will say he was brilliant to hire this guy. Remember, everything smart comes from Cheeto himself.......

(insert projectile vomiting emoji here)

4 hours ago, Dandruff said:

I'm concerned that a lot of people may vote for style, due to either a lack of understanding of substance, or a simple unwillingness to think too hard about the candidates at all.

I'm for Kaine, and certainly not for Pence, but felt that Kaine was really obnoxious during the debate.  I'm not saying he shouldn't have repeatedly called Pence out, but I hope he didn't lose too much voter "appeal" by doing so.  People can be really superficial...even about important decisions.

I agree, that is one of my key concerns, that people who were either not paying attention, or who don't understand the facts, will say, "hey, that Pence guy is really calm, he's a good guy." And that is so far from the truth. I also worry that some of the evangelicals who were shying away from Trump a bit will now vote for him because Pence appeals to them.

 

[VelociRapture]

2 hours ago, Cartmann99 said:

If any of Trump's employees do something, he thinks it's fine to take credit for their work. 

I would like to hear the response your brother got at the event, if you are comfortable sharing. 

My brother stopped by on his way home - partly to charge his phone, but mostly to see Velocipuppy (who almost lost her mind with excitement over his visit.) I also may have baked homemade cookies for the two of us abd husband to enjoy. I'm a good sister and wife. 

He said the local politicians running for state office all did a great job. They were well spoken and did a nice job staying on topic about the issues.

Hillary's Rep was honest at the very start about how Disability Services is not her speciality. She did use the term "vulnerable community" once, but he said it was obvious that she was being very respectful and she used a lot of really great terminology otherwise. He was impressed by her and gratified to hear that Hillary has been making more of a push recently to make Disability issues a bigger focus in he election.

The Trump rep... not so much. 98% of his time speaking was focused caused on his last (failed) run for Governor. Only two times he mentioned Trump was to say:

- That Trump Tower is ADA compliant (meaning it meets the bare minimum of requirements legally; not impressive.)

- And he mentioned the hand gesture Trump made that was clearly mocking the Journalist a few months back. He barely argued that Trump has made the gesture at other times, it wasn't meant to be mocking, and it's just the way he talks. Brother was highly unimpressed by this asshat. 

On a more amusing note, my brother was seated with two women and a man older than all of them with an 80s pornstauche who cheered the two times Trump was mentioned by his Rep. He had the nerve to ask the three if them if they learned anything at the end of it. The women didn't bother answering him - my brother bluntly said he learned a ton from the state politicians and Hillary's Rep. Then he turned and left. 

[Howl]

On 10/4/2016 at 6:25 PM, Mecca said:

Trump, Gingrich, and Giuliani have some nerve to even bring up Bill's history. First of all, Bill is not running for office. Second, those three jerks have nine marriages between them all riddled with infidelity. SHUT THE FUCK UP, YA AHOLES! 

Yes, the irony is strong with these mooks.  Guiliani had the nerve to say that his infidelities were not the same as Bill's infidelities, and therefore, he had a perfect right to criticize.  

[GreyhoundFan]

CNN had an interesting article about the VP debate. It was written by an award-winning debate coach. I agree with most of his points.

[RoseWilder]

6 hours ago, Dandruff said:

I'm concerned that a lot of people may vote for style, due to either a lack of understanding of substance, or a simple unwillingness to think too hard about the candidates at all.

I'm for Kaine, and certainly not for Pence, but felt that Kaine was really obnoxious during the debate.  I'm not saying he shouldn't have repeatedly called Pence out, but I hope he didn't lose too much voter "appeal" by doing so.  People can be really superficial...even about important decisions.

The polls I saw right after the debate showed that most people thought Pence won but that the debate didn't change people's minds about who they're going to vote for. 

 

[Cartmann99]

4 hours ago, VelociRapture said:

My brother stopped by on his way home - partly to charge his phone, but mostly to see Velocipuppy (who almost lost her mind with excitement over his visit.) I also may have baked homemade cookies for the two of us abd husband to enjoy. I'm a good sister and wife. 

Homemade cookies? Do you deliver?  

4 hours ago, VelociRapture said:

Hillary's Rep was honest at the very start about how Disability Services is not her speciality. She did use the term "vulnerable community" once, but he said it was obvious that she was being very respectful and she used a lot of really great terminology otherwise. He was impressed by her and gratified to hear that Hillary has been making more of a push recently to make Disability issues a bigger focus in he election.

That is good news. Thanks for the update! 

[VelociRapture]

5 hours ago, Cartmann99 said:

Homemade cookies? Do you deliver?  

That is good news. Thanks for the update! 

Lol! Unfortunately no. I make the Nestle Tollhouse chocolate chip cookie dough ahead of time and freeze it - that way we have homemade cookies whenever we want. Super easy to do. I highly recommend it to people who love homemade cookies, but don't have a ton of time.

[Joyfully Lazy]

I found this appalling.  Does he think he's being funny?

Trump courts the terminally ill vote

 

[Toothfairy]

It's scary how many supporters he has

[Toothfairy]

On Wednesday, October 05, 2016 at 10:01 AM, Childless said:

My fear is that if Trump does win, he'll quickly realize the presidency is more work than he really wants to do and he'll exit stage left and leave us with Pence.  *shudder*

The thought scares me. 

[AmazonGrace]

4 hours ago, Joyfully Lazy said:

I found this appalling.  Does he think he's being funny?

Trump courts the terminally ill vote

 

It makes perfect sense to me... I'd have to be six inches from the grave (so I don't have the time to suffer the consequences) and very mad at the world to vote for Trump. 

[Cartmann99]

The nutbags need to get together and decide what the narrative on Trump is going to be. First, I read this story from Politicus USA:

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A group of evangelical Republican pastors are justifying their support for Donald Trump by hoping that God kills the man at the top of the Republican ticket and makes Mike Pence president.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/05/evangelical-gop-pastors-call-god-kill-trump-mike-pence-president.html

Okay, so Trump is just a placeholder for Pence, like McCain was supposed to be for Palin?

Then, I read that Jim "Food buckets!!!111!!" Bakker thinks Satan wants to kill Trump because he's pro-life:

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“They were saying the same things about him that they are saying about Trump today,” Bakker said. “The reason I mention Trump is because he is pro-life. He believes in protecting our borders.”

Trump, he said, now faces satanic attacks as a result of his opposition to abortion rights and desire to overturn Roe v. Wade: “They will kill for that. They will kill him for that. The devil, the demons of hell, will come out to protect the killing of babies. The devil loves to kill—tried to kill Jesus, tried to kill Moses at birth.”

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2016/10/04/bakker-satan-wants-to-kill-trump-just-like-jesus/

So, Trump is fabulous and Satan hates him like he did Jesus? I'm so confused!

The video is fun because we learn that Lori Bakker doesn't understand how our government works. She's all excited because Trump has promised to overturn Roe V Wade as one of his first actions as POTUS. Yep, he's gonna veto, or yell, or fire somebody and Roe V Wade just vanishes into the night. Um, it's a little more complicated than that.

I am not a degreed law professional, but from what I was taught in the evil government indoctrination centers, getting rid of Roe V Wade would require either an Amendment to our Constitution that outlawed abortion, or a new case about abortion to come before the Supreme Court, and for a majority of the Justices to side against abortion rights.

Now, President Trump ( sobs uncontrollably) would be tasked with appointing people to fill vacancies on the Supreme Court, and if his picks were approved by Congress, we could end up with a Supreme Court full of folks like Ann Coulter, Alex Jones, Newt Gingrich, or Sarah Palin.  (You don't have to be a lawyer or a judge to be on the Supreme Court.) That would make it much easier for Roe V Wade to be overturned. 

So, what does all this mean? It means you need to vote this November, in the mid-terms, and in all of your local elections. When sane people stay home, the nutbags get to run our country off into the bar ditch. 

[AmazonGrace]

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Today, our position is similar to the one in which The Atlantic’s editors found themselves in 1964. We are impressed by many of the qualities of the Democratic Party’s nominee for president, even as we are exasperated by others, but we are mainly concerned with the Republican Party’s nominee, Donald J. Trump, who might be the most ostentatiously unqualified major-party candidate in the 227-year history of the American presidency.

These concerns compel us, for the third time since the magazine’s founding, to endorse a candidate for president. Hillary Rodham Clinton has more than earned, through her service to the country as first lady, as a senator from New York, and as secretary of state, the right to be taken seriously as a White House contender. She has flaws (some legitimately troubling, some exaggerated by her opponents), but she is among the most prepared candidates ever to seek the presidency. We are confident that she understands the role of the United States in the world; we have no doubt that she will apply herself assiduously to the problems confronting this country; and she has demonstrated an aptitude for analysis and hard work.

Donald Trump, on the other hand, has no record of public service and no qualifications for public office. His affect is that of an infomercial huckster; he traffics in conspiracy theories and racist invective; he is appallingly sexist; he is erratic, secretive, and xenophobic; he expresses admiration for authoritarian rulers, and evinces authoritarian tendencies himself. He is easily goaded, a poor quality for someone seeking control of America’s nuclear arsenal. He is an enemy of fact-based discourse; he is ignorant of, and indifferent to, the Constitution; he appears not to read.

 

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/11/the-case-for-hillary-clinton-and-against-donald-trump/501161/

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We believe in American democracy, in which individuals from various parties of different ideological stripes can advance their ideas and compete for the affection of voters. But Trump is not a man of ideas. He is a demagogue, a xenophobe, a sexist, a know-nothing, and a liar. He is spectacularly unfit for office, and voters—the statesmen and thinkers of the ballot box—should act in defense of American democracy and elect his opponent.

 

[Cleopatra7]

On 10/3/2016 at 10:15 PM, Peas n carrots said:

So I guess all that New Testament love your brother stuff is just not that important to many Evangelicals who support Trump?

According to the posters at the Wartburg Watch, there's a satirical t-shirt that says "Calvinism: Some Lives Matter." I think this attitude that some lives matter (i.e., white fundegelicals) pervades white evangelicalism in general, regardless of whether Calvinism is proclaimed or not.  This is why they can vote for a hate-monger like Trump and feel no qualms about it.

[Geechee Girl]

My history professor theorized the evangelicals see Trump being used to do OT God's work as with Cyrus, a fellow nonbeliever. 

[Childless]

3 hours ago, Geechee Girl said:

My history professor theorized the evangelicals see Trump being used to do OT God's work as with Cyrus, a fellow nonbeliever. 

Well, I hate to break the news to them, but Trump isn't going to do any of what he says he's going to do if (god forbid) he gets elected.  Once in office, Trump's going to do what's in his best interest.  If you're not rich, you won't see any benefit to a Trump presidency.  The only time he'll do anything the evangelicals want him to do is when he nominates a SC justice (or two).  Other than that, he'll stump for laws that line his own pockets and alienate the rest of the world with his bad temperament and tender ego.  

I can't believe this man won the nomination of a major party.  I've completely lost faith in Americans.

[Alicja]

Mike Pence's record on LGBT rights is not pretty. He advocated for diverting taxpayer money to conversion therapy: http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2016/jul/28/gavin-newsom/true-mike-pence-advocated-conversion-therapy/

I wish this was pointed out at the debate. 

[Gobbles]

Just read this headline: "Only 4% of all Germans would vote for Trump." Just added the election date to my calendar. I watched the last two elections live, and I will be watching this time as well. 

[VelociRapture]

17 minutes ago, Alicja said:

Mike Pence's record on LGBT rights is not pretty. He advocated for diverting taxpayer money to conversion therapy: http://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2016/jul/28/gavin-newsom/true-mike-pence-advocated-conversion-therapy/

I wish this was pointed out at the debate. 

My younger brother has a friend from High School who was forced to endure conversion therapy for five years. To say he and his boyfriend are pissed that the subject didn't come up is probably the understatement of the century. And I'm furious it wasn't brought up too. It's great that other important topics - like racism and policing - were asked about, but not questioning Pence's record on LGBTQ rights was a massive oversight.

I am glad that Kaine challenged him so often throughout the debate though on numerous topics. And I thought it was very interesting that he also quoted the Bible when speaking for his support of abortion rights. You don't see any pro-choice supporters quoting the Bible or framing their support in that way.

[Cartmann99]

Washington Post has an article up about how Trump's advisors are trying to get him ready for Sunday's debate with Secretary Clinton. Trump threw a hissy fit at his people when they booked a more expensive hotel for an appearance in Denver, and he's stubbornly resisting their efforts to try and mold him into a more conventional Republican candidate:

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So it went throughout the rest of this week, as pressure mounted on Trump to rebound or risk losing to Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in a landslide. Although Trump understood that he needed to improve his standing, he continued to boast behind the scenes about unscientific online polls showing he won the first debate.

Trump resisted suggestions from his advisers to practice exhaustively for the second debate, a town hall-style forum that will be held Sunday night in St. Louis. He flat-out refused to participate in mock sessions, saying such play-acting was annoying.

 

Trump did agree to hold a town-hall meeting Thursday night to get him used to the format. Only Trump supporters were allowed in, all questions were submitted in advance, the selected questions were of the softball variety, and the moderator was a pro-Trump talk radio host.

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It was not the disciplined town-hall routine some of his advisers had imagined. But at least he had done something, they figured, and there was more time to get Trump ready.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-prepares-for-debate-rebound-but-refuses-to-be-controlled/2016/10/07/ed5a4bb8-8c8f-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html

For a second or two, I feel sorry for these people for having to deal with a petulant toddler everyday. Then, I remember how hard they are trying to get this madman elected, and I want him to make their lives a living hell for going along with this sideshow. 

[catlady]

24 minutes ago, Cartmann99 said:

For a second or two, I feel sorry for these people for having to deal with a petulant toddler everyday. Then, I remember how hard they are trying to get this madman elected, and I want him to make their lives a living hell for going along with this sideshow. 

Yes, the key phrase being "a second or two" because they accepted their jobs freely and can quit them at any time. Sure they might not have expected CheetoMan to be as big a jackass as he is, but I don't pity them either because they still support him, and that makes them no better than he is.......

[FakePigtails]

The sleaze has reached a new level, per the Washington Post:

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Donald Trump bragged in vulgar terms about kissing, groping and trying to have sex with women during a 2005 conversation caught on a hot microphone — saying that “when you’re a star, they let you do it” — according to a video obtained by The Washington Post.

 

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“I moved on her and I failed. I’ll admit it,” Trump is heard saying. It was unclear when the events he was describing took place. The tape was recorded several months after he married his third wife, Melania.

“Whoa,” another voice said.

“I did try and f--- her. She was married,” Trump says.

Trump continues: “And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”

“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,” Trump says. “Then all of a sudden I see her, she’s now got the big phony tits and everything. She’s totally changed her look.”

 

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“And when you’re a star they let you do it,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”

“Whatever you want,” says another voice, apparently Bush’s.

“Grab them by the p---y,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”

 

*anxiously awaits fallout of this*

[Destiny]

Holy fuck me that's fucking nasty. He's predatory as shit in this video!

.....and he had just married Meliana. I don't like her but I feel sorry for her right now.

Also, Donnie, that's not how you apologise.