Trump 4: Now With Less Orange Tan

[GreyhoundFan]

9 hours ago, VelociRapture said:

Husband and I watched. I fucking love the women who appeared - Sarah Silverman was hysterical, but the other woman, Angela, was fucking fierce. LOVE how well spoken, intelligent, and no nonsense she was when she spoke - and how often she put the asshole Trump guy in his damn place. I looked at my husband and said that I want our daughter to be her when she grows up. 

My husband is a CPA. So he knows what he's talking about on this.

He says the Times got it 100% right by stressing the fact that what he did was completely legal - because it is.

What makes it look so bad is the fact that he wouldn't pay his contractors fairly while pocketing all the money he made over those potential 18 years. And the fact that he lost so much shows how shitty a businessman he really is. Yeah, he managed to recoup a ton of money after a big loss - but someone claiming to be as good at business as Trump does wouldn't have lost that kind of money on bad investments in the first place.

My husband thinks he won't release his returns simply because he knows it'll undermine his persona of being some sort of business guru. His campaign has relied on that image to present him as a valid candidate because he'll create jobs (without offering any details on how of course). That goes out the window to a certain extent if his returns show otherwise. Plus, it's very likely he doesn't donate nearly as much to charity as he claims and that would make him look bad too.

@laPapessaGiovannaAnn Coulter is probably the worst spokesperson for the American public. Ever. Seriously. 

I think some Americans are actually interested in what his returns would show. Whether he actually donates to charity as much as he claims, whether he is as good a businessman as he says he is, what sort of deductions he takes, etc. Returns can actually tell you a great deal about what someone's life was like for that past year. It can give you good insight into who someone is. So I personally think it's important for candidates to share their returns.

I agree, I loved Angela. She was just having none of that Trumpster's crap. I laughed so hard when she looked at him and said "this is not Monday and I'm no Hillary, so you need to stop interrupting me."

I agree that by not releasing his returns, he can pretend he is the best businessman ever. 

 

7 hours ago, laPapessaGiovanna said:

Thank you to everyone who replied. I think that this is the part that I understand less. Probably because I am used to see much bigger sway of votes between different elections. I am not used to a system so polarized between two parties where only a limited number of voters is actually keen on changing their position. It keeps baffling me. Thank you for the explanation. 

I have some friends in different parts of the world, they are all amazed at this election. It saddens me that, as a country, so many people have become so polarized that they can't even be civil to the "other" side.

 

2 hours ago, Cartmann99 said:

Just to add to the Ann Coulter discussion, she's one of those conservatives who would like to see the 19th Amendment repealed:

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/12/5_conservatives_who_are_still_mad_women_have_the_right_to_vote_partner/

I despise Ann Coulter. I alternate between thinking she just says crap to shock people and that she actually believes what comes out of her mouth. I don't mind debating someone who has a different point of view from mine, but someone who just says ugly stuff to be ugly or shocking is frustrating. The last time I saw her on a news program, I had to change the channel, she just drives me crazy.

 

[JMarie]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/02/donald-trump-federal-income-tax-new-york-times

Donald Trump responded on Sunday morning to a New York Times report that he may not have paid federal income tax for 18 years, tweeting: “I know our complex tax laws better than anyone who has ever run for president and am the only one who can fix them.”

 

Why would he want to fix them?  They don't seem very broken, if he's able to not pay taxes at all.  Who would want to fix that?

[Childless]

17 hours ago, Alicja said:

Why do they want the world to end so badly? I don't get it.

Cause they're batshit crazy.

[47of74]

17 hours ago, Alicja said:

Why do they want the world to end so badly? I don't get it.

Because they think God's going to create them a brand new world without what they see as undesirable peoples in it.  Such as LGBTQ, people with too much melanin, people who aren't Christian, people who aren't their brand of Christian (non fundie), atheists, environmentalists, non quiverfulls, and so on.  And they'll get to run this new world as they see fit. 

[THERetroGamerNY]

Trump is God?!

I hear a sudden collective moan of disgust throughout Heaven, Hell, and the Force...

[Cartmann99]

Just watched a disturbing video from NBC News about two female Trump supporters from Michigan. It's the usual "We love Trump, he's gonna fix all of our problems!" stuff, but right at the end, they refer to Trump as a god before clarifying that Jesus does come before Trump in their hierarchy. 

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/at-rally-trumpettes-talk-machado-taxes-and-more-776866371522?cid=sm_fb

So, for Christian Trumpsters, it's God the Father, Jesus the Son, Trump the Deceiver, and then the Holy Ghost? 

[JMarie]

What a horrifying video!  Who wants to re-interview these two dimwits on November 9???

[Cartmann99]

Donald the Deceiver is making friends with our veterans today:

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Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is getting flak today for an answer he gave on what he would do to address issues around post-traumatic stress disorder and suicides by military veterans.

"When people come back from war and combat, and they see things that maybe a lot of the folks in this room have seen many times over, and you're strong and you can handle it, but a lot of people can't handle it," Trump said, speaking Monday morning at a panel for the Retired American Warriors PAC in Virginia.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-fire-comments-veterans-ptsd/story?id=42536616

So, veterans who are Trump supporters are too strong to have PTSD or thoughts of suicide? Yeah, telling our veterans that they are weak if they are struggling right now sounds like a wonderful way to support those who, unlike Donald Trump,  actually served their country. 

[Alicja]

8 minutes ago, Cartmann99 said:

Donald the Deceiver is making friends with our veterans today:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-fire-comments-veterans-ptsd/story?id=42536616

So, veterans who are Trump supporters are too strong to have PTSD or thoughts of suicide? Yeah, telling our veterans that they are weak if they are struggling right now sounds like a wonderful way to support those who, unlike Donald Trump,  actually served their country. 

Um, most Americans don't see war zones everyday. what you doing Donald?

[AmazonGrace]

Don't any of his supporters realize that he doesn't actually have any plan? 

 

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Trump also said that mental health care for veterans needs to be improved.

"We need mental health and medical, and it's one of the things that is least addressed and one of the things -- one of the things that I hear most about when I go around and talk to the veterans," he said. "So, we are going to have a very robust, very, very robust level of performance having to do with mental health."

"We are losing so many great people that can be taken care of if they have proper care," Trump said.

 

How? What is he going to do differently? All he's saying that veterans will get better care if Trump gets elected but nothing about how he will make sure of that. 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ny-attorney-general-orders-trump-foundation-stop-fundraising/story?id=42537848

James G. Sheehan, head of the New York Attorney General's Charities Bureau, wrote that the Trump Foundation "shall be deemed to be a continuing fraud upon the people of the state of New York, if the organization fails to immediately “discontinue solicitation and to file information and reports“ within “fifteen (15) days of this notice.”

[AmazonGrace]

Donald Trump, and his surrogates, has said that by lowering his personal tax bill, maybe as low as zero dollars paid in federal and state income taxes, that he was serving his constituents.

That's hogwash! Horse hockey! Bull----! Mr. Trump does have a constituency … but it is a constituency of one … himself.

Reducing his personal tax bill does absolutely nothing for any business he may be running, public or private, and more than likely the losses he generated to reduce his personal tax liability very likely came at THE EXPENSE of shareholders, bondholders, employees and vendors.

Judging from the trajectory of the Plaza Hotel, his casino and hotel businesses, his steak, vodka and University enterprises, neither his investors, vendors, nor customers shared in his "good fortune."

Indeed, they almost all lost money, even as he was finding ways to make money by losing money.

That, dear readers, is the exact opposite of fiduciary responsibility. We can re-name it, pecuniary responsibility, putting one's individual financial needs ahead of the constituents served.

There is no genius involved in using business losses to reduce one's personal tax bill.

However, it does take a special kind of genius to LOSE a billion dollars and claim one is a business success.

Multiple bankruptcies, billion dollar losses, alleged misdirection of income to charitable foundations and, published reports suggesting potential further abuses of the tax code, are not the characteristics normally ascribed to a great business builder.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/03/im-calling-bs-on-the-whole-genius-spin-on-trumps-taxes-commentary.html

[47of74]

Now that fucker is spouting off about soldiers and vets who commit suicide;

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/politics/donald-trump-ptsd-suicide/index.html

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Donald Trump suggested Monday that American soldiers and veterans who commit suicide do so because they can't handle the post-traumatic stress of war.

"When you talk about the mental health problems, when people come back from war and combat and they see things that maybe a lot of folks in this room have seen many times over and you're strong and you can handle it but a lot of people can't handle it. They see horror stories, they see events you couldn't see in a movie, nobody would believe it," Trump said Monday, during a panel interview at the Retired American Warriors PAC, in Herndon, Virginia.

Trump's surrogates said the Republican nominee's comments were taken out of context, and blamed the media for construing his words.

Trump adviser and retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn accused the media reporting on Trump's comments of, acting as " the propaganda arm of Hillary Clinton."

Hey Donald.  Fuck you.

[VelociRapture]

45 minutes ago, 47of74 said:

Now that fucker is spouting off about soldiers and vets who commit suicide;

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/politics/donald-trump-ptsd-suicide/index.html

Hey Donald.  Fuck you.

Fuck him long. Fuck him hard. Fuck him with a broken broomstick doused in hot sauce.

Seriously though. Fuck him.

[Dandruff]

There's a long list of things I don't think he's fit to comment on, and mental health is near the top of that list.

[apple1]

3 hours ago, AmazonGrace said:

Don't any of his supporters realize that he doesn't actually have any plan? 

Not only does he not have any plan, but additionally he cannot put his brain in gear before putting his mouth in motion - ever.

At the rate he is going, Hillary's campaign may not even need to spend any more money; Trump is doing the campaigning FOR her by virtue of showing himself for who he really is. His true colors are being exhibited.

[VelociRapture]

To be completely fair about his PTSD comments -

I get the sense that he didn't intend to actually insult anyone this time. I think he was attempting to make a point about something or he was attempting to be complimentary - but because it's Trump he fucked it up. Which just serves as another example of why he'd be such a poor President; the asshole can't communicate effectively in writing or when speaking. And that's a massive problem for the country if he's elected because you literally don't know what the fuck he's going to say next.

[Peas n carrots]

So I guess all that New Testament love your brother stuff is just not that important to many Evangelicals who support Trump?

[Cartmann99]

1 minute ago, Peas n carrots said:

So I guess all that New Testament love your brother stuff is just not that important to many Evangelicals who support Trump?

You are supposed to love your fellow Trump supporters, everybody else is optional. 

[47of74]

13 hours ago, THERetroGamerNY said:

Trump is God?!

I hear a sudden collective moan of disgust throughout Heaven, Hell, and the Force...

Nope.  Yeah I heard that pan universal moan of disgust through Heaven, Hell, Gre'thor, Sto'vo'kor, the Celestial Temple, the Divine Treasury, and the Force in every last version of the universe there is too at the mere thought of Orange Hitler being God.  No I was actually talking more about what God is supposed to have done or will do depending on how you look at it in Revelations.  The passing away of the old heaven and Earth and the creation of the new ones, and so on. 

3 minutes ago, Peas n carrots said:

So I guess all that New Testament love your brother stuff is just not that important to many Evangelicals who support Trump?

Pretty much anything in red in the New T is pretty much ignored by the Evangelicals.  Hell they ignore most of the New T, except some things that Paul and his hanger on Timothy had to say, and the Book of Revelations. 

[GreyhoundFan]

I agree with @VelociRapture that Drumpf probably didn't mean what he said, but it's another example of how he can't communicate clearly, in an adult manner. He just gets diarrhea of the mouth and since he loves to hear himself talk, refuses to take Kaopectate.

Joe Biden came back and hit hard on the PTSD remarks.

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Biden laid into Trump on Monday night, referring to his late son Beau's service in Iraq.

"Where in the hell is he from?" Biden said, before pointing to Beau and his own 29 visits to Iraq and Afghanistan. Biden then relayed a story.

"I found myself in Iraq being asked by General [Raymond T.] Odierno — a four-star — to pin a silver medal on a young captain who had pulled someone out of a burning Humvee, risking his life," Biden said. "And when I went to pin it on him in front of the entire brigade, he said to me — looked at me and said, 'Sir, I don't want the medal. I don't want the medal.' You know why? He said, 'He died. He died, Mr. Vice President. I don't want the medal.'

"How many nights does that kid go to sleep seeing that image?" Biden said, beginning to yell. "Dealing with it?"

 

[VelociRapture]

28 minutes ago, GreyhoundFan said:

I agree with @VelociRapture that Drumpf probably didn't mean what he said, but it's another example of how he can't communicate clearly, in an adult manner. He just gets diarrhea of the mouth and since he loves to hear himself talk, refuses to take Kaopectate.

Joe Biden came back and hit hard on the PTSD remarks.

 

Biden is my spirit animal. I'm really going to miss him once Obama's term is over. The two of them worked phenomenally well together and I have a massive amount of respect for them both - but especially Biden because he clearly has such a high respect for our soldiers. 

Both my Grandpas served in the Military - one was Army and Coast Guard and the other served in the Navy during World War II. Both my husband's grandfathers served in the Army as well - one of them served in Africa and Italy during World War II. And my dad was a Marine who served a year in Vietnam. So any politician who shows a true and genuine concern for the Military - the way Biden and McCain do - are worthy of my respect.

Someone like Trump? Not a chance. Not because of his PTSD comments, but because his concern is fake. If he honestly cared he would have actually revealed a real plan to help Veterans and donated the damn money the promised for the Memorial.

[nokidsmom]

Also agree @VelociRapture that Trump can't communicate it correctly even he wants to because he's Trump.  He doesn't know how to communicate in any normal fashion without inserting something that is totally irrelevant/inappropriate/self congratulatory/or just plain nonsensical.   He appears to have absolutely no control whatsoever.  

He clearly has not learned any lessons since the debate.  And threatening to bring up Bill's indescretions in the future debates?   As if Hillary will not be prepared for that.  

[Cartmann99]

3 hours ago, nokidsmom said:

Also agree @VelociRapture that Trump can't communicate it correctly even he wants to because he's Trump.  He doesn't know how to communicate in any normal fashion without inserting something that is totally irrelevant/inappropriate/self congratulatory/or just plain nonsensical.   He appears to have absolutely no control whatsoever.  

He clearly has not learned any lessons since the debate.  And threatening to bring up Bill's indescretions in the future debates?   As if Hillary will not be prepared for that.  

He's also too damn stupid to understand that by attacking Secretary Clinton with her husband's infidelities, he's going to look like a complete jackass. His misogynistic fans will love that, but those who have experienced infidelity, are not going to appreciate him blaming Secretary Clinton for President Clinton's failings.

Also, you'd think a serial adulterer wouldn't want to draw attention to his own failings in that area since he's representing the "family values" party.  *smacks head* Sorry, I forgot again that all that "family values" nonsense doesn't apply to members of their own party. Extramarital affairs are fine for Republicans, as long as you know how to look contrite in front of the cameras and boo-hoo about how God has changed your heart when you get caught.

[nokidsmom]

1 hour ago, Cartmann99 said:

He's also too damn stupid to understand that by attacking Secretary Clinton with her husband's infidelities, he's going to look like a complete jackass. His misogynistic fans will love that, but those who have experienced infidelity, are not going to appreciate him blaming Secretary Clinton for President Clinton's failings.

Also, you'd think a serial adulterer wouldn't want to draw attention to his own failings in that area since he's representing the "family values" party.  *smacks head* Sorry, I forgot again that all that "family values" nonsense doesn't apply to members of their own party. Extramarital affairs are fine for Republicans, as long as you know how to look contrite in front of the cameras and boo-hoo about how God has changed your heart when you get caught.

To the bolded: which translates more or less into "and all of you should forgive me, nothing to see here anymore, move along".  Because Jesus.

During the Lewinsky scandal, the level of sympathy for Hilary's situation was very high.   Trump is going to revisit all of that if he brings it up. But what really kills me is that he is dangling the prospect of raising this issue and expects it to throw her off guard.   Dude, she's over it and furthermore she's extremely well prepared.  This would be one of the very, very obvious attacks he can throw her way.     

ETA: he would be a very shitty poker player.  He would give his hand away every.damn.time.  

[Mecca]

Trump, Gingrich, and Giuliani have some nerve to even bring up Bill's history. First of all, Bill is not running for office. Second, those three jerks have nine marriages between them all riddled with infidelity. SHUT THE FUCK UP, YA AHOLES!