Joshley Madison Pt 4: That Pig She Calls Her Husband

[Gimme a Free RV]

My heart really goes out to Anna. My narcissistic husband has cheated on me multiple times (while standing before church congregations, playing the spiritual role model of a minister...and loving the power and attention that came with that position) and with this last "indiscretion" I decided not to put myself through this any longer.

So, I'm watching JoshGate with great interest, particularly to see how Anna survives this. I would love for her to come to the conclusion I did and realize that men like Josh and my husband (soon-to-be-ex) won't change. Something is mentally off and staying with them and sexing them up won't work in the long run. Better to leave them in God's hands and to their own vices.

By-the-way, my brother reacted much the same way hers did. I love that!

[2manyKidzzz]

According to Daily Mail, the sermon Jill encouraged everyone to watch was about sex and forgivness.

One quote

Floyd preached that a husband and wife should maintain 'sexual contact' and keep each other happy or risk an unsatisfied spouse looking elsewhere for gratification.

So they're pretty much drilling it in to Anna that she's at fault.

So Anna has no support. Jill too throws support for Josh and Gothard.

Sad.

[nelliebelle1197]

In case the message was lost in the long replies and quotes-

Do not speculate about the molestation of other children in the Duggar orbit! That is really beyond the bounds of common decency. And it is unnecessary and just icky.

[zz22zz]

trimmed a lot per the request and thanks for your support. I haven't' seen my dad in 7 years, we talk a few times a year briefly...that helps a lot, very little contact....

With that said, I don't think it's right to speculate that any of the little duggar girls have been molested. It seems an invasion of their privacy, of which they have little enough. Also, Josh is many things, but he is not a pedophile, since you have to be an adult molester to be a pedophile.

I debated whether to be specific but since in my experience "outing" a person who wants to be sexual with small children works well in protecting innocents (my younger cousins, my nieces, my friends) from being victimized. It would be GREAT if none of these girls were EVER alone with Josh. Also Josie I truly feel is the only one that would open Michelle and JB's eyes, so if she comes to them and says he tried something I hope they would react. I DO NOT want any of them harmed or victimized. But molestation relies on a code of silence, the louder you warn children of them the better. I will go self edit since I get the icky points.

And in my eyes he is a pedophile. He was 15 and a victim was 4...who he seemed to do the most to , while she was awake....that is pedophilia and incest no less!

update: couldn't edit my original post....I guess there is a time limit. Sorry to all of those who were icked out...

[FreeJesusFromFundies]

I would like to see just one Duggar- I am not picky, any will do- stand up like Daniel Keller did.

[jqlgoblue]

The best thing for Anna is if Josh says f-this and leaves. Clearly it's not that simple b/c he can't even support himself.

He will continue to be miserable, but it's all so easy for him to stay and continue to have affairs. If the comments on Jessa's IG are any indication a white lie is equivalent sin to an affair (and presumably even rape and murder). I'm fairly sure it is the run of the mill Pentecostals posting too... not just the fundie fundies.

All these people are either narcissists or miserable. There is so much judgement too, it was palpable in the Erica Hill interview, imagine now... Ugh. What about religion is so great again?

[gemma]

I would like to see just one Duggar- I am not picky, any will do- stand up like Daniel Keller did.

I can only hope that it will happen, but I think it will take many, many years and more scandals. My hope is with the little ones.

[NeverQuivered]

I think that they will be together for the short term at least. They have been brought up to stay married and I think they will at least try to in the short term. I also think they will have a 5th child quickly as a way to recommit themselves. :(

Yeah that would be smart, since the 4th child they had a month ago didn't seem to reconnect them. I'm pretty sure the continuing barrage of children is part of the problem, the biggest being Josh is narcissistic douchebag.

(Not trying to kill the messenger, fundie logic disturbs me).

[HerNameIsBuffy]

I would like to see just one Duggar- I am not picky, any will do- stand up like Daniel Keller did.

That would be great but Daniel and Suz could do this because they left the cult. None of the Duggars* are financially independent so they don't have the freedom to speak their minds even if they felt this way, and certainly aren't in the position to offer support and s place to live.

*possible exception might be JD - I have no idea if he is financally independent or if his house is his or owned in part by JB and M.

[countressrascal]

This is one of the best article about why Josh Boy cheated. My issue is not the cheating, which is bad, but the fact that he molested his sisters a number of times and NO ONE did anything about it. On top of that they defend him, that is sick. I agree with everything that Jenny Block bring out in the article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jenny-blo ... 22344.html

[frugalitymom]

I'm so glad to see Daniel stick up for Anna like that! That is what a brother is supposed to do when his sister's husband is caught cheating. I read those comments and he is correct Josh is a pig, he didn't confess he got caught. He would have kept going if it wasn't for the hack. I don't think he is sorry and I am sure that when things die down he will be back at it again. I do feel sorry for Anna for the crappy upbringing and being made to believe something like this is her fault when it's not. It would be nice if she could leave and maybe someday she will say fuck it and call her brother and say I'm done come get me. Till then she needs to know there are options and she is loved.

[MakingLaundrySoap]

In a muddy ditch? :dance:

Long time listener. First time caller. THIS is epic!! Thank you!

[VixenToast]

Just caught up. Not sure how I managed this.

My two cents worth on leaving an abusive (in any way) relationship: it is no easy feat. Once I realized what kind of situation I was in, my Mom would ignore my requests that I live with her as my boyfriend was emotionally abusive. She would tell me to try harder and send me on my merry way. Not until grew raped me dud she finally come get me and my son.

Daniel standing up for Anna is great. She doesn't have to accept her sibs assistance, but knowing there's an out will help her stress immensely.

[Milly-Molly-Mandy]

http://m.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity ... j611y.html

Semi interesting article on the guy whose profile pic Josh stole

Also Daniel & Suzy rock. The Keller's are such crap parents and it's amazing they have had 3 (so far) turn out normal.

[HerNameIsBuffy]

Just caught up. Not sure how I managed this.

My two cents worth on leaving an abusive (in any way) relationship: it is no easy feat. Once I realized what kind of situation I was in, my Mom would ignore my requests that I live with her as my boyfriend was emotionally abusive. She would tell me to try harder and send me on my merry way. Not until grew raped me dud she finally come get me and my son.

Daniel standing up for Anna is great. She doesn't have to accept her sibs assistance, but knowing there's an out will help her stress immensely.

This breaks my heart. I am so sorry. Glad you got out and I hope all is well for you and your son now.

[debg64]

JB and Michelle would very likely kick Joshly to the curb if TLC offered them their show back on the condition that Anna divorces Josh and moves in with them...lol!

[Hisey]

trimmed a lot per the request and thanks for your support. I haven't' seen my dad in 7 years, we talk a few times a year briefly...that helps a lot, very little contact....

I debated whether to be specific but since in my experience "outing" a person who wants to be sexual with small children works well in protecting innocents (my younger cousins, my nieces, my friends) from being victimized. It would be GREAT if none of these girls were EVER alone with Josh. Also Josie I truly feel is the only one that would open Michelle and JB's eyes, so if she comes to them and says he tried something I hope they would react. I DO NOT want any of them harmed or victimized. But molestation relies on a code of silence, the louder you warn children of them the better. I will go self edit since I get the icky points.

And in my eyes he is a pedophile. He was 15 and a victim was 4...who he seemed to do the most to , while she was awake....that is pedophilia and incest no less!

update: couldn't edit my original post....I guess there is a time limit. Sorry to all of those who were icked out...

ZZ, I had my own set of dysfunctional parents and a horrible dad myself (not sexually horrible, but terrible nonetheless). Very little contact is the best way to deal with such parents. There are situations where no contact is the best (mine was one of those).

Sorry, still got to disagree with you about Josh being a pedophile. The definition of that word states it must be an adult. Josh was a minor. A minor teenage boy touching a little girl is still awful, don't get me wrong, but it's not pedophilia.

He is, however, an adulterer, a cheater and a liar.

[Toothfairy]

Anna is very lucky she has siblings who escaped from their cult. Unfortunately the girl is too brainwashed to see herself as a person. I bet ma and Pa Keller had some not so nice words to say when some of their kids left. I also bet Ma and Pa Keller might be trying to tell Anna to stay with him and work through it.

And Omg Joshley Madison :lol:

[Chickenbutt]

I don't know much about breaking links....I hope this is ok.....FJ was mentioned in this article..

http://www.inquisitr.com/2361719/jana-a ... n-indiana/

[sisterwives]

Meh. Fodder for wiping my arse, more like.

As polabear put it, Josh cheated because he's a shitpig. :disgust:

This is such a ridiculous train of thought. Men NEED to cheat? It's the MALE STRUGGLE? Wow! This kind of view, that impulsively having sex with everything that moves, (along with the idea that porn is "natural") is something innate to men really scares me. I have no idea how these men even function in day to day life if its a struggle for them to get through the day without having sex with something?

[TheChickWithGlasses]

The idea that Josh cheated on Anna because she wasn't willing to have enough sex, or adventurous enough to keep Josh happy is complete crap. Josh cheated on Anna because he is a shitpig.

However, every time someone posts about how Anna should have loosened up, or they must have been sexually incompatible, so of course Josh cheated, it exposes this huge underlying assumption in our culture that if a man cheats, his wife is at fault. She must have been too busy with the kids, or too tired, or didn't keep herself up, or wouldn't do that sexy thing he wanted. Its the same assumption that underlies what the fundies say about how a woman must always be available to her husband to keep him from straying.

People cheat because people cheat. Men seem to get more of a pass because for all the reasons people keep bringing up. But for all we know, Anna was having sex with Josh whenever he wanted, and when he wanted it.

:clap: Thank you. Well put and spot on.

[sisterwives]

I'm really REALLY angry at Jessa and Jill for talking about forgiveness like as if it's any of their business. In regards to the molestation issue, whatever, that's their stage to set. But how DARE they tell Anna, who's probably just discovered that her husband of 7 years is cheating on her, with four children, to forgive like that? Jessa has barely known Ben two years and Jill is living out a fairy tale as a white missionary while Joy plays aunt-mom. I doubt they can even imagine this pain. It's none of their business to declare whether he should be forgiven or not and I'm so embarrassed by the tackiness of it all.

When will they get tired of defending their scumbag brother? While Jessa plays house with Ben, Anna is suffering and she's suffering hard. Not only that, but if Josh was stupid enough to have unprotected sex with anyone, she could be in serious danger of illness.

Honestly, Jessa and Jill have always grated my nerves because they've always acted like brats, but this is absolutely BEYOND me. So so tacky.

[theilnana]

Long time lurker first time poster ect...

Ok this is my thought, Anna gave birth on July 19th and as the fundies believe she should abstain from sex for 80 days because she gave birth to a girl; so she is off the hook for having to sleep with the pig for now. So, does this mean that she'll be pressured to have sex on October 7th? Will she be a bad helpmate if she refuses him in October? Will she be told that she has to sleep with with him as part of her forgiveness process? Will the people around her tell her that Joshy has been under so much stress and that sex would be healing for him and that as a good forgiving wife she as to submit?

It's more than likely that she'll stay with him. I actually think the fundie women will be the ones to encourage her to have sex with him ASAP. They'll say that Joshy actually needs sex because of what he has just been through. It makes my skin crawl to think of this poor women having to sleep with him so soon. Thank God for Meredith at least he has a ATI sanctioned break till October 7th.

[rodgerdodger]

My friend made this comment today about Josh, she said that if he wasn't raised super religiously he would still end up as an MRA and "that self righteous shit is bred into you".

[Sundaymorning]

Anna is very lucky she has siblings who escaped from their cult. Unfortunately the girl is too brainwashed to see herself as a person. I bet ma and Pa Keller had some not so nice words to say when some of their kids left. I also bet Ma and Pa Keller might be trying to tell Anna to stay with him and work through it.

And Omg Joshley Madison :lol:

I'm wondering what made her siblings being able to leave the cult? After all, they were raised by the same parents in the same environment? So, if they could see past the brainwashing, and were able to realize the errors of the Gothard-cult, why can't their still-fundie siblings?

I'm having a bit trouble to word my thoughts right, English is not my native language after all, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that I find it always noteworthy, how people, who were raised in the same environment, sometimes turn out completely different. Sure, people have different characters and personality traits, but it is still remarkable how brainwashing for years works with some people while others can resist it.