Joshley Madison Pt 4: That Pig She Calls Her Husband

[happy atheist]

Oh Josh.

 

Latest discussion points: we seem to be in pretty strong agreement that Anna should divorce Josh, but that she probably won't. Her brother Daniel says he has offered to help her leave and stay with him. He gets credit for this thread's subtitle.

 

The Backstory:

In addition to being a child molester who victimized his own sisters, golden boy Joshua Duggar had 2 accounts on Ashley Madison, a website whose motto is "Life is Short, Have an Affair." He paid extra for the Affair in 3 Months or Your Money Back! guarantee.

 

Josh issued a statement admitting to being unfaithful. It has been edited twice since it went up. The first edit removed an awesome reference to Satan's Fortress in Josh's heart. The second edit removed reference to a porn addiction, and some mention of the molestation scandal.

 

There was an OKCupid account linked to the same email address, but it is now deleted. You can see some screenshots of his answers to various questions here: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26814

 

There is a twitter account full of porn and MILFs and great big boobies that is rumored to be tied to the same email address as the other accounts, but it's not clear to me if it's been verified.

 

And there's at least one Facebook account in the mix as well.

 

Part 1: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26801

Part 2: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26813

Part 3: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26823

 

Josh's statement (Take 2):

 

Quote

Statement from Josh Duggar:

 

I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife.

 

I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him.

 

I brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions that happened when I was 14-15 years old, and now I have re-broken their trust.

 

The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country, in my heart I had allowed Satan to build a fortress that no one knew about.

 

As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose to our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example.

 

I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time.

 

Josh Duggar

[CreationMuseumSeasonPass]

God bless you Daniel Keller, for the inspiration for the name of part 4 of this thread. You sound like everything a protective older brother should be. #bubblebathfor2

[luv2laugh]

Someone just mentioned that they think David & Priscilla will offer Anna to come stay with her. I disagree. Based on these tweets since news of Josh's infidelity surfaced, they, like Jessa, appear to be going with the "sinners and forgiveness" strategy:

Also David is BFFs with Josh and is likely devastated about all of this happening to the poor Duggars since he kept trying to ride on the coattails of their fame.

OT but oh boy, if they all go down to the Keller Family's house for Thanksgiving like they do every year it will be super tense. I don't know how they're going to sort that one out. I'd hate for Anna's family to break up due to all the strife going on caused by JOSH... with Susanna and Daniel trying to get her out and the rest trying to make her stay.

[Growelly]

I hate cryptic scripture posts. It leaves so much open to interpretation based upon your own experience and world view.

For once I'd just love to see them take a stance. But I won't hold my breath - everything about the is so scripted and robotic.

[bubblekitty]

I love the title of this thread.

Someone elsewhere said they hope Anna is protected from the unseemly stuff, the details.. but I hope she actually reads the OKCupid and AM stuff and if that turns out to be his twitter sees it. Right from the first words out of Josh's mouth everything is being passed through the grand christian soap operaspeak of SATAN!!!1 vs JEEZUZ. It's a lot easier to talk about how you let Satan take control than it is to talk about how you want to [sexual realities] with [hot wimmenz who are not Anna].

The molestation was no doubt glossed over by the parents to Anna. She needs the nitty gritty of what Josh did and said not some fairy story about how he gave his heart to the devil.

[rodgerdodger]

So, was Lawson's instagram post supporting or hating Josh?

I can't ever decipher cryptic instagram scriptures.

EDIT: Growelly we are one in the same :lol:

[16strong]

Per the last thread, it is encouraging to know that Anna knows she has a place to go and resources if she wants to leave. I'm not sure she will, and that's sad, but Daniel, if you're reading here, thank you for being an awesome brother to Anna.

[blessalessi]

I would speculate that David Waller is allowing Satan to build a fortress of glee in his heart that Josh has been knocked off his pedestal as #no.1 Keller-in-law. :lol:

He is probably at the same time crapping himself about any heart to hearts on marital disappointment that may ensue between Anna and Priscilla, and any skeletons that are left to emerge from the Gothard cupboard.

[DuggaredOut]

Carried over from Pt. 3 because I was writing this response when it was locked:

Wondering. Is this a Gothard/ATI teaching -- to have as many children as humanly possible . . . ?

Yes.

But does this idea have an origination point?

If you read up on ATI/IBLP and Quiverfull, there's a lot of info out there about the history of the movement--when it began, who it began with, etc.

And why try for 20 kids?

The idea is not to use birth control and to be open to having as many children as the Lord provides, not specifically to try for a certain number. Why did Boob and Mechelle seem so obsessed with the number twenty? Probably because it would've sounded better for the show. Twenty Kids and Counting versus Nineteen Kids and Counting or Eighteen Kids and Counting or whatever. Just a nice, round, impressive sounding number.

[SPHASH]

God Bless Daniel Keller. At least one person in that awful Keller family has some sense.

[singsingsing]

But there is a dominionist sort of attitude as well that encourages these people to have as many children as possible, to create warriors for Christ who will eventually take over the U.S. government and turn the U.S. into a Christian theocracy. They take "be fruitful and multiply" very seriously. Even conservative but non-fundie Christians will be encouraged to have at least 4 or 5 children, again, to out-breed the non-religious/Muslims/Catholic Hispanics.

[mari2015]

You know what bothers me more than Josh cheating? The fact that the Kellers, Jim Bob and Michelle are not protecting Anna. Notice that Jim Bob only married off his girls to men who seem to adore and cherish them. If Ben or Derrick did this to Jessa or Jill, Jim Bob would be the first one there with a moving truck. But they don't value Anna enough to kick Josh out and take care of her and the kids. Why was it okay with Anna's parents that Josh was a molester and now is mistreating her?

Yes, Anna is an adult and she could leave and go to her brother. But I thought the whole point of courtship and their culture was that the father is a protector? No one treasures her (the way the Duggars treasure their daughters) and so she doesn't even know her own worth. It's sad.

[MakeItSo]

I know this point is pretty much moot (or "moo" as the Great Joey Tribbiani would say), because Anna would never allow the M's to go to a regular school, but I must wonder how that would be for the kiddos. By the time they're 9 or 10, they would probably have a super hard time in school but I guess we won't have to worry because even if ATI kicked Anna and the kiddos out, she'd still homeschool them (could they? Because, you know, Anna obviously did not fulfill her wifely duties towards King Smuggar). I guess keeping the kiddos' social lives as controlled and limited as possible ensures that they only get to be in contact with other fundies. I don't know...I just feel like it will be the M's who will have to pay for Smuggar's "sinful actions" in the long run. If not during grade school, during college (let this guy dream 8-) ) or later on job search (for the boys only, of course).

[SPHASH]

Just curious, where did Daniel and Suzi Keller say Anna needs to leave Josh?

[QuestioningQuivers]

Just curious, where did Daniel and Suzi Keller say Anna needs to leave Josh?

David was saying it in the comments to Jessa's last facebook post. Suzi said it on her private facebook page.

[Cleopatra7]

You know what bothers me more than Josh cheating? The fact that the Kellers, Jim Bob and Michelle are not protecting Anna. Notice that Jim Bob only married off his girls to men who seem to adore and cherish them. If Ben or Derrick did this to Jessa or Jill, Jim Bob would be the first one there with a moving truck. But they don't value Anna enough to kick Josh out and take care of her and the kids. Why was it okay with Anna's parents that Josh was a molester and now is mistreating her?

Yes, Anna is an adult and she could leave and go to her brother. But I thought the whole point of courtship and their culture was that the father is a protector? No one treasures her (the way the Duggars treasure their daughters) and so she doesn't even know her own worth. It's sad.

If Jill or Jessa did end up in a situation like Anna (which I hope they don't, but hypothetically), I wonder if JB would really come to their aid. If "headship" has really been transferred from the father to the husband, perhaps the warped logic is that the father doesn't have the right to interfer, since his daughter is now the husband's responsibility. If JB and the Kellers have the same ideas about marriage, then it would make sense that the former would also encourage a Duggar daughter in a bad marriage to stick it out like Pa Keller is saying to Anna.

[chelleinchicago]

You know what bothers me more than Josh cheating? The fact that the Kellers, Jim Bob and Michelle are not protecting Anna. Notice that Jim Bob only married off his girls to men who seem to adore and cherish them. If Ben or Derrick did this to Jessa or Jill, Jim Bob would be the first one there with a moving truck. But they don't value Anna enough to kick Josh out and take care of her and the kids. Why was it okay with Anna's parents that Josh was a molester and now is mistreating her?

Yes, Anna is an adult and she could leave and go to her brother. But I thought the whole point of courtship and their culture was that the father is a protector? No one treasures her (the way the Duggars treasure their daughters) and so she doesn't even know her own worth. It's sad.

I'm not so sure that would be JB's reaction. I can see him relishing the opportunity to allow his daughters to showcase how well he did training them to be good, Godly, Christian wives. And he'd probably LOVE it if it was someone else's kid fucking up.... He's put himself out there in the public eye to the point that he wouldn't want to risk people (and his fundie circle) thinking he doesn't walk the walk. Nope. I think he'd tell them to pray about it and go for Gothard counseling, but by all means to stay with their husbands and forgive them.

[Growelly]

Ok, I'm just going to do it.

75th post, baby!

God bless you, Josh Duggar, for being SUCH a pig that it caused me to post with much more frequency than I probably ever will again to get me to the magic number.

:nenner: :nenner: :nenner: :mrgreen: :nenner: :nenner: :nenner:

Also, I'm happy Anna has someone to turn to for support in the "outside" world should she choose it.

[polabear]

I skipped over most of the 2nd thread (I'll go back and read!) but one thing is super bugging me.

The idea that Josh cheated on Anna because she wasn't willing to have enough sex, or adventurous enough to keep Josh happy is complete crap. Josh cheated on Anna because he is a shitpig.

However, every time someone posts about how Anna should have loosened up, or they must have been sexually incompatible, so of course Josh cheated, it exposes this huge underlying assumption in our culture that if a man cheats, his wife is at fault. She must have been too busy with the kids, or too tired, or didn't keep herself up, or wouldn't do that sexy thing he wanted. Its the same assumption that underlies what the fundies say about how a woman must always be available to her husband to keep him from straying.

People cheat because people cheat. Men seem to get more of a pass because for all the reasons people keep bringing up. But for all we know, Anna was having sex with Josh whenever he wanted, and when he wanted it.

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

You know what bothers me more than Josh cheating? The fact that the Kellers, Jim Bob and Michelle are not protecting Anna. Notice that Jim Bob only married off his girls to men who seem to adore and cherish them. If Ben or Derrick did this to Jessa or Jill, Jim Bob would be the first one there with a moving truck. But they don't value Anna enough to kick Josh out and take care of her and the kids. Why was it okay with Anna's parents that Josh was a molester and now is mistreating her?

Yes, Anna is an adult and she could leave and go to her brother. But I thought the whole point of courtship and their culture was that the father is a protector? No one treasures her (the way the Duggars treasure their daughters) and so she doesn't even know her own worth. It's sad.

Why would any of them "protect Anna" when JB and Michelle couldn't be bothered to protect their OWN children, and Pa and Ma Keller sent Anna into that family KNOWING that fact?

[Escapefromfundiedom]

Per the last thread, it is encouraging to know that Anna knows she has a place to go and resources if she wants to leave. I'm not sure she will, and that's sad, but Daniel, if you're reading here, [bold]thank you for being an awesome brother to Anna.[/bold]

This.

[gemma]

Where is susanna talking? I see her fb page, but nothing

[RabbitKM]

Where is susanna talking? I see her fb page, but nothing

An FJ'er added her as a friend on FB, and may be able to see more posts because of that. Apparently Susanna posted that meme that is a pic of Josh, saying "marriage is between a man and a woman, and your sister and that chick from ashley madison"

[HuggleMonster]

Wow. DK is full on. But good on him. I hope he and the normal Keller siblings get through to Anna for the sake of those M kids.

[truthseeker]

Love the thread title, but I really did have my heart set on JoshGate 2: Electric Boogaloo! (Can't remember who's idea that was, but thank you :lol: )