Joshley Madison Pt 4: That Pig She Calls Her Husband

[lizzybee]

I posted this over in the Jessa thread, but it seems more appropriate here:

I was thinking about how Josh sent Anna and the kids to Jessa's wedding a day or two before he went. What do you want to bet he was porning and cheating the whole time. Also, he was almost late for Jessa's wedding because his plane was delayed. Did that really happen or was he just enjoying his bachelorhood too much?

I am not taking up for him by any stretch of the imagination BUT I don't know if you remember or not last year around that time was an election year and Josh hopped in the Duggar RV fashioned with FRC Action logos and travelled the South telling people who to vote for - I attended one of these events - and the closer they got to Jessa's wedding the less Duggars dropped out of the tour to go home. I met them on Oct 26th which is what 5 days before Jessa's wedding? and it was John David, Jana*, J+A (only Marcus got off the bus so I don't know if she had the other littles or not), Josiah, and the younger twins. I was a "leg-humper" as y'all say, and I had been following the trip closely. They started out with JB+M, Jessa and Ben, Jinger, Joy Anna, etc and then by the time they got to GA a lot of them had dropped out undoubtedly to deal with wedding prep.

They cut it really close with that tour, which once again, limited Jessa getting much attention for her special moments.

*Jana may not spend all her time babysitting and sewing wedding gowns. She was just along for the ride it seemed - like I said the only kid I saw was Marcus and Anna was holding him pretty much the whole time. She (Jana) popped out of the RV almost as soon as they got there because I guess she heard some friends were there and came running out to hug and say hello to them/socialize.

[SpoonfulOSugar]

I misread that this means anon710 did also miss where the 11 girls figure came from

A single poster who claims that somewhere on Facebook they saw a post claiming dude's sister was one of eleven AM hookups with Josh.

IOW, a rumor of a rumor, yet to be confirmed by any reliable source.

[FundieFarmer]

One thing about the AM hacking is the bigger picture of how privacy breaches like it affect all of us. One can say that an AM client deserves what he / she gets for being on a cheating site, but looking beyond the outrage factor, it raises serious questions about privacy and internet security in general. For something that a lot of people thought would be confidential, it turned out not to be the case. Also, leaking of AM records exposes not just the guilty like Josh Duggar but harms the innocent such as people whose email address was swiped for a fake account or an account by somebody else. If this information can be hacked and put out there for all to see, then what else is possible, a scary thought to be sure.

This is starting to become personal for me, because someone from our area got ahold of the big AM list, and whittled it down to include only the 5 main area codes in my immediate area. One of my old professors, several of my neighbors, a few individuals from companies we work with, and other people I know through various ways and means were found to have accounts. But I don't feel bad for them, at all. The people I feel bad for are the ones who are becoming collateral damage. I feel badly for the spouses, children, and families that perhaps had not known or did know and put this behind them, and now an entire metro area of over 2.5 million people know these men had it.

I don't really have any illusion of privacy on the internet, and I don't think anybody else should either, especially if you were (frankly) stupid enough to put all of your information on a cheating website. I don't think anyone deserves this, but I have no sympathy for them. No one in this day and age should expect any privacy anymore. Even as a regular person just piddling around on Facebook, the information I can glean about people is astounding, and they just don't realize they've put it all out there in the open. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing is private and there is no such thing as internet security, and I don't think there ever will be. Everything is hackable, it just depends on the hacker. Sorry, but that's just how I see it.

We snark on all of these fundies with the justification that they've put themselves out there in these blog posts and videos and what-have-you, but many of us don't realize we do the exact same thing every day by having poor privacy settings or engaging in general stupidity. Your point does make me think: do we realize that sometimes, we aren't any better than the fundies in terms of what we're putting out there?

I guess my tl;dr answer is: everything is possible, because nothing was impossible to start with in regards with hacking.

[older than allosaurs]

What are you talking about? No sex for 80 days because she had a girl?

People are not supposed to have sex for 8 weeks or so after giving birth because the vagina is all tender and maybe there are stitches from an episiotomy. It has nothing to do with what sex the baby is.

There might be some fundies out there that have a weird belief like you are saying, but I am confident that the Duggars do not share it.

Here you go:from The Duggars: 20 and Counting

Q: Do you use any birth control method at all, including abstinence or the “rhythm†method?

A: An interesting thing happens when you have seventeen-going-on-eighteen children. Completely strangers start asking you about your birth control practices! It’s okay! By now, we’re used to it. Here’s what we can tell you: In addition to living by the principles in the New Testament, we have learned that some Old Testament practices, including recommended times of sexual abstinence, are still helpful today. For example, one such teaching tells couples to abstain from sex for seven specific days during a woman’s menstrual cycle. Another passage says to abstain for forty days after the birth of a boy and eighty days after the birth of a girl. These teachings are no law for New Testament Christians; but we’ve found them to be a healthy practice, both for our bodies and for our relationship. I (Michelle) feel cherished, knowing that Jim Bob is following these guidelines simply because he wants to do what’s best for me and for our marriage. Plus, after we take these pauses in our sexual life, our coming back together is always a very special time.

[VaSportsMom]

I'm way behind and just read the People article about Daniel's comments. I'm not sure how I feel about him using Jessa's FB as a platform but WOW! I am so relieved to know that someone is offering Anna something other than bible verses. She may not accept the help now but going forward she will know that she is not completely trapped. That matters. A lot.

[nokidsmom]

This is starting to become personal for me, because someone from our area got ahold of the big AM list, and whittled it down to include only the 5 main area codes in my immediate area. One of my old professors, several of my neighbors, a few individuals from companies we work with, and other people I know through various ways and means were found to have accounts. But I don't feel bad for them, at all. The people I feel bad for are the ones who are becoming collateral damage. I feel badly for the spouses, children, and families that perhaps had not known or did know and put this behind them, and now an entire metro area of over 2.5 million people know these men had it.

I don't really have any illusion of privacy on the internet, and I don't think anybody else should either, especially if you were (frankly) stupid enough to put all of your information on a cheating website. I don't think anyone deserves this, but I have no sympathy for them. No one in this day and age should expect any privacy anymore. Even as a regular person just piddling around on Facebook, the information I can glean about people is astounding, and they just don't realize they've put it all out there in the open. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing is private and there is no such thing as internet security, and I don't think there ever will be. Everything is hackable, it just depends on the hacker. Sorry, but that's just how I see it.

We snark on all of these fundies with the justification that they've put themselves out there in these blog posts and videos and what-have-you, but many of us don't realize we do the exact same thing every day by having poor privacy settings or engaging in general stupidity. Your point does make me think: do we realize that sometimes, we aren't any better than the fundies in terms of what we're putting out there?

I guess my tl;dr answer is: everything is possible, because nothing was impossible to start with in regards with hacking.

Exactly, it's amazing what people put out there. On FB as an example, I learn far more than I am comfortable with and it's not like I am even looking. You have a point that we talk about what fundies put out there yet many of us do pretty much the same thing.

Yes, everything is hackable. Sooner or later. I work in IT and internet security becomes more and more challenging by the day.

[theilnana]

What are you talking about? No sex for 80 days because she had a girl?

People are not supposed to have sex for 8 weeks or so after giving birth because the vagina is all tender and maybe there are stitches from an episiotomy. It has nothing to do with what sex the baby is.

There might be some fundies out there that have a weird belief like you are saying, but I am confident that the Duggars do not share it.

Where did you hear this information?

I have been reading and lurking on FJ for 2 years. I never felt I had any thing to contribute to the community until the questions I posed. ATI/Gothardism as well as J'celle have had it clear that they take their direction on sex after a baby from Leviticus 12:1-5. It clearly states to wait 40 days after a boy and 80 days after a girl. Crazy yes but that's what they say they believe.

My only thoughts were on poor Anna. Will this poor women be pressured into having sex with him on her 81st day? Will they (Other Gothards) tell her that she has to forgive and be a good wife and attend to Joshy's sexual needs? Will they make her feel that it was her fault in the first place and now she has to try to make up for it?

[tcach]

A single poster who claims that somewhere on Facebook they saw a post claiming dude's sister was one of eleven AM hookups with Josh.

I'll own it. I would have done a screen capture of the Official Duggar Website early this morning but I wasn't sure that it was allowed on FJ therefore I copied and pasted the pertinent information before it evaporated. I could always go back and try to find it (if it is still there.)

Here's what I don't understand though, how could the brother be looking for his 5 minutes of fame by posting to a FB account which is supposedly monitored by someone who expunges anti-Duggar sentiments?

[BirthingGodsWarriors]

I'm not going to believe the 11 women rumor until there is some other confirmation. I mean, how would this alleged woman even know how many other women Josh had been with? It's not like josh would show up for a hookup and be like, "hey you're lucky number 11! You win a free ride!

[theilnana]

I always believed that People magazine and the other gossip mags read FJ. Now I know it. We had the Daniel Keller stuff way before them. They even did the screen grabs just like on this forum.

http://www.people.com/article/anna-dugg ... n-facebook

They should give credit where credit is due.

[SportsgalAnnie]

Is it Carrie Underwood that has the song about destroying a truck? I don't see that happening with Anna

yes "Before he Cheats"

also has one about cheating

"two black Cadillac's"

[Laurabelle]

I can't bring myself to listen to the sermon Jill posted on her Instagram. But I am really curious how in ever loving world someone could say Josh's infidelity was Anna's fault. But, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I've never liked Anna but I really, truly feel sorry for her. I had a baby a few months before she had the latest M kid and I can't imagine with all those crazy hormone/weird post preg body issues how it feels to know your husband was looking elsewhere. Gah. I just can't.

As someone who considers myself Christian, I completely agree with the forgiveness, God forgives all sins, etc. rhetoric. However, there's gotta be confession. And truly turning from sin. I just don't see/believe that in Josh. He got caught. Sure he's sorry now. He "has" to be. I don't get these leghumpers. Just because God forgives him doesn't mean he doesn't have consequences. I hope Anna does leave, or kicks him out. Wishful thinking of course, I know, but I really hope she gets away from him. He needs serious help. And it can't be healthy being forced/pressured to stay with someone who repeated cheated and publicly shamed you--more than once. It just makes me so angry people spout this forgiveness crap but conveniently forget about consequences and the well being of the victim (Anna and the kids).

[nokidsmom]

I think pig is too mild an insult. I saw a warty hog at our zoo a few weeks ago. That's my porcine suggestion. May be too evocative of STDs though. Hmm....

Actually I think the warty hog is quite fitting in this case.

[MoonFace]

It would be 80 days because of the female birth. JD's 40 days would be included in those 80.

This nonsense is from Leviticus, I believe.

ah - but aren't Christians (in that they believe in Christ, not the fundie type Christians) supposed to follow the New Testament rather than the Old?

[HerNameIsBuffy]

ah - but aren't Christians (in that they believe in Christ, not the fundie type Christians) supposed to follow the New Testament rather than the Old?

Yes, but tbf what Michelle is saying isn't in contradiction of that. She said they chose to follow it because it works for them, but it's no longer law so it's not a requirement.

[nokidsmom]

As someone who considers myself Christian, I completely agree with the forgiveness, God forgives all sins, etc. rhetoric. However, there's gotta be confession. And truly turning from sin.

Right and the concept of repentance is not just feeling sorry for one's sins, and recognizing how wrong it was but also committing to personal change so it doesn't happen again in the future. I am sure Josh is sorry but repentance is another thing. Frankly if he repented of his earlier sexual sins, he might not be in the boat he's in today.

[nokidsmom]

I'm not going to believe the 11 women rumor until there is some other confirmation. I mean, how would this alleged woman even know how many other women Josh had been with? It's not like josh would show up for a hookup and be like, "hey you're lucky number 11! You win a free ride!

I am not sure that there will be 11 women willing to admit being with Josh. One or two to get their moment of fame but 11?

[smittykins]

I like one explanation I read, using the example of a child accidentally breaking a neighbor's window playing baseball. The neighbor may forgive you, but you still have to pay for the broken window.

[FreeJesusFromFundies]

I'm not going to believe the 11 women rumor until there is some other confirmation. I mean, how would this alleged woman even know how many other women Josh had been with? It's not like josh would show up for a hookup and be like, "hey you're lucky number 11! You win a free ride!

No kidding. When I was participating in the hell that is internet dating, I never greeted each date with, "Hey, you're #4!" I imagine if you're being discreet, you're going to keep those numbers on the down low.

[Buzzard]

Here you go:from The Duggars: 20 and Counting

Q: Do you use any birth control method at all, including abstinence or the “rhythm†method?

A: An interesting thing happens when you have seventeen-going-on-eighteen children. Completely strangers start asking you about your birth control practices! It’s okay! By now, we’re used to it. Here’s what we can tell you: In addition to living by the principles in the New Testament, we have learned that some Old Testament practices, including recommended times of sexual abstinence, are still helpful today. For example, one such teaching tells couples to abstain from sex for seven specific days during a woman’s menstrual cycle. Another passage says to abstain for forty days after the birth of a boy and eighty days after the birth of a girl. These teachings are no law for New Testament Christians; but we’ve found them to be a healthy practice, both for our bodies and for our relationship. I (Michelle) feel cherished, knowing that Jim Bob is following these guidelines simply because he wants to do what’s best for me and for our marriage. Plus, after we take these pauses in our sexual life, our coming back together is always a very special time.

What if Joshiepoo "strayed" because Anna kept to the same principles and refused sex during those prohibited days? Is she justified in not making his "sandwich" because the bible, or does she have to listen to his headship's smaller brain?

Silly me, its clearly satan. Satan built a fortress in Josh's head and made him uber horny during the prohibited times. :angry-banghead:

[FundieFarmer]

Exactly, it's amazing what people put out there. On FB as an example, I learn far more than I am comfortable with and it's not like I am even looking. You have a point that we talk about what fundies put out there yet many of us do pretty much the same thing.

Yes, everything is hackable. Sooner or later. I work in IT and internet security becomes more and more challenging by the day.

Yes! Yes. I mean. The next mother who puts graphic potty-training info on my newsfeed...I'd rather read Josh's NSFW Twitter :penguin-no:

[OodOnTheLoo]

I'm wondering what made her siblings being able to leave the cult? After all, they were raised by the same parents in the same environment? So, if they could see past the brainwashing, and were able to realize the errors of the Gothard-cult, why can't their still-fundie siblings?

I'm having a bit trouble to word my thoughts right, English is not my native language after all, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that I find it always noteworthy, how people, who were raised in the same environment, sometimes turn out completely different. Sure, people have different characters and personality traits, but it is still remarkable how brainwashing for years works with some people while others can resist it.

The Kellers didn't have the resources to keep all of the children under their control. The Duggars have been deliberately hobbled with JimBob holding all the financial and emotional control. If a kid were to run from the Duggars they would have no money and no good way to make some being they don't have good educations. They would absolutely be shunned from not just family but all the people they have ever been allowed to associate with.

[Jana814]

I agree w/ so much w/ what everyone is saying. Soo happy that her brother said something.

[HarryPotterFan]

I always believed that People magazine and the other gossip mags read FJ. Now I know it. We had the Daniel Keller stuff way before them. They even did the screen grabs just like on this forum.

http://www.people.com/article/anna-dugg ... n-facebook

They should give credit where credit is due.

Is it wrong of me to hope they publish VR's Harry Potter - Fundie list?

[Alyciabaleesha]

As far as the eleven women go, I think you guys are really underestimating the amount of people looking for casual sex. If you live in a decently sized city, go check out your CL or BackPage hookup pages - I bet there will be a lot of entries. While some of those are probably scams, the vast majority probably aren't.

There are absolutely eleven people with low standards who would have sex with Josh Duggar, and that goes even if they didn't recognize him. He's gross, yeah, but he's actually not so physically offensive that he would put off people looking for a quick encounter. A lot of people don't even necessarily care about the specifics of the appearance of whoever they find online - it's not a porn star fantasy, it's just two people looking to fuck. Even things like class and socioeconomic status - things that are normally considered barriers to casual relationships - tend to not be important when you're just looking to have sex with someone once.

I don't buy the eleven women rumor, btw, but I wouldn't be shocked that he found that many people willing to have sex with him, either. I get that a lot of people are exaggerating for comedic effect, but I also think that some people are maybe thinking that these encounters were perhaps a bit ... classier ... than they probably were.