Lori Alexander is going to haaaaate this

[jerkit]

I haven't had much time to stalk today. Has she deleted any law school questions today?

[FJismyheadship]

So I used a computer at school to try to comment on Lori's blog... someone else from this school has clearly snarked on her before, because she has blocked the IP address. I'll go try another building lol

[Koala]

Readers are crying with her and blathering on about what a blessing it is :oops: Umm, yeah...nothing like having a virtual stranger blow smoke up your ass.

Attention Idiots: Lori is just patting herself on the back. Move along please.

[Tiger Lily]

So I used a computer at school to try to comment on Lori's blog... someone else from this school has clearly snarked on her before, because she has blocked the IP address. I'll go try another building lol

That's hilarious! I'm blocked too and have considered using the public library. :lol:

[littlemommy]

I have two Always Learning aliases. One is an old one that I'm waiting for the exact perfect moment to spring forward with a "You are both ridiculous douches!!!" exclamation before flouncing. Wait for it, Kenny! It's coming!

[SquirrelySquirrel]

That's hilarious! I'm blocked too and have considered using the public library. :lol:

It's not that hard to change your IP address. :whistle: Google is your friend. And if you're on your phone and using the mobile network, your IP rarely stays fixed.

[Curious]

Today, it's Emily's letter to Lorken.

In my imagination, Emily and her law-school smarts are totally Poe-ing Lori. Because that would be awesome.

Is this a thing now? I admittedly have drawn the short straw in the in-law dept every. single. time. so this type of thing would have never crossed my mind. Don't these people just talk to each other?

[jerkit]

Desiree responded to genny

Genny, if religions can be taught in school then please tell me of a school that allows any talk of the Christian religion. There is case after case of young peoplle being asked to write with a pencil that doesn't have a Christian statement on it, or not wearing a shirt with a religious text on it or not bringing their Bible to the building or reading it during their lunch or personal time, getting an F if their homework has any Christian content. These are just the ones that come to my mind quickly. The news is full of stories of discrimination in public school to Christian students and teachers. Yet I read that some schools are working on making their buildings user friendly to muslims.

[Curious]

Desiree responded to genny

I'm trying to think of a time when one of my teachers took the time to inspect my writing utensil to see what was written on it.

I'll like some cites for some of those examples that don't come from some whackadoodle site and I'd be interested in the FULL story behind any story that started with "the teacher won't let me use my pencil with a bible quote on it."

[jerkit]

I'm trying to think of a time when one of my teachers took the time to inspect my writing utensil to see what was written on it.

I'll like some cites for some of those examples that don't come from some whackadoodle site and I'd be interested in the FULL story behind any story that started with "the teacher won't let me use my pencil with a bible quote on it."

A citation other than "Desiree's anus"

[Arete]

That Is one hell of a brain trust Lori and Ken have managed to attract to their "ministry".

As for the daughter- in-law's letter, can you scream "I am as phony as a three dollar bill!" any louder? I would be extremely concerned if I had a son who married someone capable of writing that letter. For real.

[Hisey]

I definitely think that someone (the wedding planner? a pastor?) advised this young couple to write a letter to all the parents.

Steven's seems sincere, at least with his dad. Emily, though, seems to make it clear in her very first sentence ("I'm not sure what I'm supposed to write. . .") that she is going through the motions. And you notice, she says very few nice things about Lori herself, it's all about how Steven is such a great godly man and how that is (probably) all due to them.

I also loved the word "eventually" that she stuck in there. I think that the "great conflict" Lori wrote about, concerned a path one of their adult kids was going to take, had to do with Emily. I imagine Emily would be a great threat to Lori, since she is educated, training to be a professional, and seems quite confident. And I think Steven is their super-special kid. Ken and Lori have mentioned what a great athlete he was, how he was student body president, and now! wow! an orthodonist! Remember, Ken earns his living sucking up to orthodontists, so to have one in the family must be so brag-worthy. "Well, in my son's office, he does it this way. . . "

Besides, they have to use birth control, or else Emily will have to leave law school or her law practice, since there is a Must-Stay-At-Home-With-Baby mandate in place. Lori may not approve, but she is not able to control this. I'm sure she hates that. For that matter, Lori's daughter Cassi is probably using birth control, too, since her husband is just starting grad school. Lori's oldest, Alyssa, has fertility issues, or her husband does. Ken has also mentioned that Alyssa is not that religious. (!!)

[HoneyBunny]

Hmm...A few days ago I came down with a mild cold. I was feeling rather bad and was staying with my boyfriend. it was about 11pm and he said he'd run up the road to 7-11 and get me some medicine.

An hour later, he came back and said they didn't have anything at 7-11 and Rite Aid and Dollar stores were all closed so he drove 15 minutes away at night to go to Wal-Mart to get me some medication. I didn't ask him to do this at all. I told him I would be fine and he didn't need to get me anything at all. He did anyway.

Why would he do that...because that's what people who care and love each other do. I would have done the same for him too. They don't think about serving each other or going out of their way to make the other feel better, they just do it. If that means running out to an open store miles away at midnight for your ill loved one or searching three different stores for the right dosa batter. And the other person appreciating the effort automatically because it was done out of love.

Yes, this. I've said before, marriage is hard work at times, but as someone almost Lori's age who's been married almost as long, I know for sure it isn't as hard as she and Ken make it out to be. Without believing in the Bible (as neither my husband or I do), we manage to be more naturally civil to each other even on our bad days than Lorken are on their best. Because that's what people who love each other do (and the word submission, mutual or otherwise, never enters into it).

It's only when you're adversaries at heart that you need to bring in a rule book, like it's a football game or something. Can you imagine a referee overseeing Lorken's marriage? "Two flags on the play, cancelling each other out". The problem is that neither team makes any forward progress when that happens and that's what I picture their marriage is. A lot of penalties and no forward progress.

[Koala]

As for the daughter- in-law's letter, can you scream "I am as phony as a three dollar bill!" any louder? I would be extremely concerned if I had a son who married someone capable of writing that letter. For real.

Thank you! My thoughts exactly.

[jerkit]

I also loved the word "eventually" that she stuck in there. I think that the "great conflict" Lori wrote about, concerned a path one of their adult kids was going to take, had to do with Emily.

I think this is true too. I think Emily is probably a run-of-the-mill evangelical. She loves Jesus, but she probably uses birth control, plans to continue her career, may only have a couple kids, and is the exact opposite of what Lori envisioned for her perfect fundie princess DIL.

[Firiel]

Lori's oldest, Alyssa, has fertility issues, or her husband does. Ken has also mentioned that Alyssa is not that religious. (!!)

Didn't he say that she was more free-spirited but loved Jesus more than any of them? Or did he say both? I'm on a Ken overload.

[2xx1xy1JD]

It's a grace (for Lori) than I never married into that family. "Buttering up the mil" is not a skill I've perfected or even practiced, and if she went into full on war mode with me, I'd have told the bitch to bring.it.on.

No letter, lots of boundaries, no fake like for Lori's blog, off to law school.

When I got married, I loved my ILs but certainly didn't agree with their paleolithic views on women and their roles. I remember smiling and hugging and making great speeches, listening to ancient granny cry "why does mom work? Who will cook?", watching some weird middle eastern patriarchal family dynamics, and keeping my lips firmly zipped about the fact that I intended to keep my own last name because I had already started my law practice. You can love someone while thinking that their views are old-fashioned or wacky.

[shedemei]

I'm trying to think of a time when one of my teachers took the time to inspect my writing utensil to see what was written on it.

I'll like some cites for some of those examples that don't come from some whackadoodle site and I'd be interested in the FULL story behind any story that started with "the teacher won't let me use my pencil with a bible quote on it."

She is probably (hyperbolically) referring to the events that led to Morgan vs Swanson.

BusinessWeek:

http://mobile.businessweek.com/news/201 ... tian-gifts

Liberty Institute's information:

https://www.libertyinstitute.org/libert ... -v-swanson

SCOTUS (denied):

http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx ... 11-804.htm

[church_of_dog]

I definitely think that someone (the wedding planner? a pastor?) advised this young couple to write a letter to all the parents.

I would not be at all surprised if Lori herself had requested it. Maybe she mentioned it to Steven as something she would like, and Steven recognized that it would be easier to comply than to deal with Lori's behavior when she doesn't get her way -- whatever she does -- nag, play martyr, etc.

It reminds me of when I sold my father's house after he passed away. There were lots of details to get in order first, and the realtor did a fine job as evidenced by the end result, even though I tend to feel about realtors the same way I feel about car salesmen (no offense to anyone who is either of those, it's not the individual people, it's the pressurized, money-focused persona they play when on the job, at least some of them).

Anyway, the realtor asked me to write her a reference letter after the sale was complete. I still felt pretty slimy about the whole transaction but I recognized that 1) she did what she was paid to do, in spades and 2) she was just going to keep asking me if I hemmed and hawed. So I wrote it. But I basically had her write it for me, asked her for a "template" of what she wanted, then I customized it by removing anything I didn't feel comfortable saying and then adding a few personal anecdotes.

So maybe Lori actually helped write the letters too!

[thoughtful]

A citation other than "Desiree's anus"

"Desiree's Anus" sounds like the title of an old porn novel -- right up there on the shelf next to Autobiography of a Flea and Fanny Hill.

[Coco]

And these people are doling out marriage advice. :evil-eye:

Lori or Debbi? I could totally see Lori doing something like that. She's a spoiled little princess, that's for sure. I could see her throwing a giant ass tantrum

Maybe both have. :lol: But in this case, Debi.

This is also the video where she talks about giving up her dreams of working in science to be Michael Pearl's handmaid.

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eta wow she's definitely channeling Granny in parts of the video :twisted:

[jerkit]

From the joyfilledabusee/LA post "Never Defrauding Him"

Ally says

Sweetheart, the relationship that you're talking about is not healthy in any way shape in form. The man that you're married to, should never, and I mean NEVER treat you as yours has treated you. If you're ill with morning sickness or whatever, then you have the right to say no to him without him acting like a spoiled child. I mean wanting to have sex when you're suffering from morning sickness, really? Does he wish for you to throw up on him in the middle of it? That seems like a great time to give you some space, no? What really kills me about this article is that I'm pretty sure that he would want you to respect his boundaries when he's not in the mood or feeling ill or whatever, so why can't he respect yours? I don't care what the bible says, but there is never a reason for the boundaries and autonomy of one spouse to be more important than the other. If he demands respect from you, he should be willing to show some for you.

Don't get me wrong, sex within spouses is a good thing, it should be a wonderful thing actually, but wouldn't it be better if you weren't pretending to enjoy it but rather actually enjoying it? It just seems to me that, the years pass in your marriage, you can look back on that time you share with him as a time of joy, not as a grit-your-teeth and do it type of thing. Sex is supposed to be a wonderful thing. It is NEVER supposed to be an obligation. EVER.

I've been reading some of your other posts, and I have some things that I want to tell you that whatever counselor that you were seeing SHOULD have told you. First of all, you are precious in every way. There is nothing you did to deserve having your husband belittle you in front of guests because he didn't give you enough time to prepare it by calling ahead of time . He should never have tried to control your food (um, what would he have done if you had tried to control his, btw?) the porn thing was not your fault. From what I've read of your posts, you've given 110% into that marriage and he should do the same. This is not one sided. It's not automatically your fault if something goes wrong. Since two people enter a marriage, two people have to give their all to make it work, it can never be one-sided.

I've read the verse you've put down below, and if you want to delete this comment please feel free to do so, but please just read it first. Admittedly, I'm not like the other women up there, and they'd probably try to offer several bible verses as a rebuttal. Regardless of which ones they'd use, I still stand by what I say. I'm not trying to patronize or divide anyone, all I'm trying to do is tell you how much value you have. You are perfect exactly as you are. If I had a chance I'd hug you.

Joyfilledabusee takes this opportunity to preach at her

Hi Ally,

First off, I want to let you know that what I am about to say I mean with a sincere and loving heart. Sometimes it's hard to communicate through text because people can't hear your voice or see your facial expressions. If you were to be sitting here with me as I say these things, you would be able to see my gentle and kind tone of voice and sincere facial expressions. The words that follow I say with no sarcasm or criticism. I wanted to make sure to tell you that ahead of time. I hope you will receive my words in the spirit in which they were written, friend.

I can see that your desire is to express a genuine concern for me based on your feelings about what I wrote. I don't discount that. I believe that you truly mean well and only want the best for me, based on what you believe the best is. The disconnect, however, lies in the fact that the things you think you know about me and my situation just simply aren't so. You can take bits and pieces of my situation and come up with a horrible scenario in your mind, but it's hard for me to take even a well-intentioned message seriously if you omit the most important details. You have not acknowledged the joy that I expressed in my article, nor the change that has taken place in my husband, nor the most important detail of how the Word of God was breathed into my marriage through my behavior to help change a wayward heart. But I am not surprised by this, Ally. You said yourself that you don't care what the Scripture says. Since my whole post was based on living out the Word of God in my marriage, do you see that since you do not believe in the authority of Scripture to begin with, even your greatest intentions and heartfelt opinions fall short? If you have not accepted Christ into your heart and believe the authority and validity of Scripture, then the lens to your heart is only able to process things in black and white and you will completely miss the vivid colors that the Word of God is painted with in my life, my heart, and my marriage.

Thank you for expressing your concern to me, Ally. Again, I know you meant it with all sincerity. I pray that one day you will come to know Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior and will have the blessed opportunity to see hearts and lives transformed by the power of the Word of God as I have. There are very few accolades on earth for being willing to sacrifice so greatly for the benefit of another. Quite the contrary, most will think you a fool. But, you see, as a follower of Christ, I do not live my life for the praise of man or rewards that will be meaningless at death.

"But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." -Matthew 6:20 & 21

How I pray that you will one day you will open your heart to Salvation and the greatest treasure of all that is found in knowing Christ Jesus and walking with Him through the good times and the bad. My story is not a story of fear, dear Ally, but a story of hope. May you one day have your eyes opened to the precious truth and experience the same kind of freedom I have found in Christ.

[Tiger Lily]

From the joyfilledabusee/LA post "Never Defrauding Him"

Ally says

Joyfilledabusee takes this opportunity to preach at her

I think it's easier for Joyfilled to be angry at Ally than at her husband, herself or even God. She, above all people, knows how rotten her marriage was. Maybe it still is or maybe she still has deep resentments. Who knows?

Or, perhaps I'm giving her too much credit. She did take that condescending tone with me once. Maybe that's just who she is. Maybe that's why she and Lori get along so famously. Like attracts like. I also think she took a huge leap in assuming that Ally isn't a Christian. After all, why would she bother to visit Lori's blog in the first place if she wasn't? I'm not saying she would agree with Lori in every way yet there was a similar shared view that drew her there.

BTW, have you read today's entry yet? It's all about how special Alyssa and Cassi are. I have no problem with them at all. It's just that Lori takes every available opportunity to brag about her children and her life. I know I'm enormously proud of my children yet there's a difference between being proud and bragging a little and constantly sticking it to everyone else about how wonderfully you've raised your children (i.e., our way is the BEST way which makes your way WRONG). Um, Lori, you need to cut down on the pride and develop more humility. It's actually pretty humorous to me when I read her stuff because while Lori makes it her business to chastise others, she apparently can't see herself for who she is!

[jerkit]

Today was such a throw away post. It was one those where I was like "cool story, Lori."

[Firiel]

Today was such a throw away post. It was one those where I was like "cool story, Lori."

Yeah, it was real dumb.

I didn't date in high school, and I still can't flirt to save my life. Do I get my ticket to heaven back now?