(CW&CSA) Josh & Anna 52: Sweeping Crackers for a Lower Sentence

[TuringMachine]

2 minutes ago, apiscue said:

 

Do you think they are going to make an official statement?

I'm sure JB and Michelle would say they still love Josh. It's not like he did something really bad like ask to be compensated for his years on a reality show like Jill did.

[Antimony]

On 5/24/2022 at 2:43 PM, Jackie3 said:

https://lawandcrime.com/celebrity/judge-rejects-josh-duggars-claim-that-prosecutors-failed-to-prove-he-actually-viewed-any-child-pornography-denies-him-a-new-trial/?fbclid=IwAR2v8jZErsFA-zdglReGSJd_Npv_uBg0OKSZ5D37YepDid8mrNcaZ4x8bIw

Josh to receive punishment for receipt but not possession. The Court vacated the jury's  conviction for possession. Request for a new trial denied.

Antimony stated:

It seems the Court disagrees with Antimony, since it wrote the following today:

Can I at least be tagged when people shit talk me?

It has been known since the beginning of this case, that the receipt and possession charges would likely be combined together or, in other words, one vacated because it is standard and common practice in this type of law. That does not amount to overturning of a jury ruling nor does it negate the legal basis for jury nullification. The prosecution was clear about this. I like to think about it as a nesting doll -- in these cases, in which one crime is two crimes, the large crime often subsumes the lesser crime. This isn't some secret, and it doesn't change the jury result. And a vacated result is not necessarily wrong, it doesn't relate to the basis of jury nullification, which is what I was talking about when I explained that the jury cannot make a wrong decision in the eyes of the law. But, please, take more of my explanations of jury nullification out of context to try to dunk on me untagged for no good reason.

(Speaking of nullification, that basis applies to jury decision only but doesn't apply to things that void the jury or the trial, or appeal grounds. It's the reason you couldn't retry OJ or Casey Anthony, two cases people famously think the jury was wrong one, because it would also violate double jeopardy rights. Worse, jury nullification was used infamously, frequently, in the Jim Crow south to give white people Not Guilty verdicts for crimes committed against Black people. It's a bit of a double edged sword, because you could almost imagine it being used to block an unjust law, but of course, bias comes in.)

Anyway. 

Sentencing -- Not surprised, matches the expected formula and is actually, to the best of my recollection, a little on the higher end of Judge Brook's general spread. Sweeping crackers wasn't enough. 

1 minute ago, imokit said:

According the Sun, Josh wants Texas over Arkansas.

Now that's interesting...

[molecule]

I continue to be puzzled by Michelle's courtroom absence throughout the entire legal process here. My son is currently incarcerated, and even with a lesser offense and lesser sentence, the entire process was incredibly difficult. Witnessing your child as a courtroom defendant is really hard, even when you agree that the charges and sentence are right and reasonable. But I just can't imagine not being present to witness it, especially since she had family there to support her.

[EmCatlyn]

1 hour ago, Dandruff said:

Not disagreeing about some attention seeking, but I suspect that the condemnation and timing are aimed more toward JB than Josh.  I don't think she likes him very much (to put it mildly).

Yeah.  I am sure JB and Michelle did a lot of performative looking down on Amy and her mom, and Amy resented it. 

It is just her own attention-getting performance is its own type of self-righteousness.

[justoneoftwo]

I think JB values his reputation as well as money... this hit both 

[SassyPants]

2 minutes ago, imokit said:

According the Sun, Josh wants Texas over Arkansas.

Distance. And probably a divorce from Anna and estrangement from his parents.

[Laura2730]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLEkxoXM/?k=1
 

after he gets out he’s on probation for 20 years- no unsupervised contact with minors (including M kids), no pornography and no internet access unless approved by probation officer.

[noseybutt]

3 minutes ago, imokit said:

According the Sun, Josh wants Texas over Arkansas.

The drive to Texarkana would be about the same as drive to Forrest City.

[allyisyourpally5]

Do we know if there’s anything else tied to this sentence?
Registering as a sex offender? I know there’s levels of this and many / most (all?) have to resign or check in every few months and have the restrictions on where they can live, can’t go to parks or volunteer or all sorts of things. 
Obviously people know Josh and what he has done so even if he’s not “officially” a sex offender, the outside world will not be nice to him.

[imokit]

2 minutes ago, Laura2730 said:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLEkxoXM/?k=1
 

after he gets out he’s on probation for 20 years- no unsupervised contact with minors (including M kids), no pornography and no internet access unless approved by probation officer.

 

So Madyson will never be alone with her father until she's an adult.  Good!  (She hasn't been alone with them according to his bail conditions).

[SassyPants]

10 minutes ago, Laura2730 said:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLEkxoXM/?k=1
 

after he gets out he’s on probation for 20 years- no unsupervised contact with minors (including M kids), no pornography and no internet access unless approved by probation officer.

Damn. If they’d added no fast food, Duggar’s life might as well be over. How could he ever live with Anna for the next 17.5 years? No unsupervised visits with Anna.

Edited May 25, 2022 by SassyPants

[SorenaJ]

I’ll take it. Better than 5 (or 7, as I guessed). 

[meep]

I was hoping it would be at least 10 years. Sounds like that's what he will actually serve. If it were up to me, he'd be locked away forever, but given the realistic circumstances, I am quite pleased. 

[formergothardite]

Watching the clips of Jim Bob and Anna bolting to the parking lot,  I'm confused why they didn't have someone pick them up so they didn't have to walk so far with people screaming questions at them. 

[zygote373]

3 minutes ago, Laura2730 said:

after he gets out he’s on probation for 20 years- no unsupervised contact with minors (including M kids), no pornography and no internet access unless approved by probation officer.

Wow. I'm really glad the judge added that restriction to keep the kids safe.

Really curious to see what Anna will do. Would be very difficult for them to all live in the same house as a "happy family" when he's released if he's not allowed to be alone with the children. Will she still insist on sticking by him, or will she finally prioritize her children living in a secure home?

 

[justoneoftwo]

I'm assuming Anna can be the one supervising...

[Red Hair, Black Dress]

If the youngest M kid will be 10-12 when Josh gets out, how old will the oldest be?  No matter how sheltered the M kids are, at least the oldest might see the news and read what Cracker Sweeping Daddy(TM) did.

5 minutes ago, llucie said:

that is a lot of time to think and reflect about being married to a convicted sex offender.

Anna believes Josh is completely totally innocent and a wrongfully convicted sex offender,  She's going to live in that Denial Land come hell and high water.  To believe he is guilty is to know she was a blind fool to all this faults. An idiot for staying with him after the Ashley Madison/ infidelity reveal.  An idiot for having more M kids.

She's an uneducated, completely dependent on others' money, submissive, keep sweet woman. One whose parents pushed her into this marriage and pushed her to stay in it. Where can she go with 7 children? What are her options? She certainly won't accept (or be talked out of) evil government assistance.

If she keeps living in Denial Land and keeps publicly saying Joshly is innocent, Ol' JB might kick in some money and let them keep living in the windowless warehouse.

[purple_summer]

18 minutes ago, llucie said:

Her mother had her last at 45, so while unlikely it is still possible for them to have a miracle baby after he gets out. But hopefully she will divorce him at some point in the next 10 years, that is a lot of time to think and reflect about being married to a convicted sex ofender.

Convicted AND imprisoned 

[zygote373]

1 minute ago, justoneoftwo said:

I'm assuming Anna can be the one supervising...

Yes, but she could basically never leave the house alone because it would leave Josh with the kids. I don't see how it would be tenable without creating a ton of tension and logistical difficulty.

[Scrappinmac]

Well the least time was 5 years and the most was 20, so 12 1/2 is right in the middle. I know that's not how the judge figured it, but I'm glad the kids will be older when he gets out.

[imokit]

1 minute ago, Red Hair, Black Dress said:

If the youngest M kid will be 10-12 when Josh gets out, how old will the oldest be?  No matter how sheltered the M kids are, at least the oldest might see the news and read what Cracker Sweeping Daddy(TM) did.

Anna believes Josh is completely totally innocent and a wrongfully convicted sex offender,  She's going to live in that Denial Land come hell and high water.  To believe he is guilty is to know she was a blind fool to all this faults. An idiot for staying with him after the Ashley Madison/ infidelity reveal.  An idiot for having more M kids.

She's an uneducated, completely dependent on others' money, submissive, keep sweet woman. One whose parents pushed her into this marriage and pushed her to stay in it. Where can she go with 7 children? What are her options? She certainly won't accept (or be talked out of) evil government assistance.

If she keeps living in Denial Land and keeps publicly saying Joshly is innocent, Ol' JB might kick in some money and let them keep living in the windowless warehouse.

To be fair the gays and the women went after Josh.  The lead prosecutor is gay, there is a also a female lawyer and there were women who were central to the initial investigation.  If the womenfolk had been more godly and the gays hadn't been so vengeful Anna would still be leading her perfect life.

(Disclaimer - I don't believe this - other than the demographic facts, but Anna believes what I just wrote).

[noseybutt]

5 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

Watching the clips of Jim Bob and Anna bolting to the parking lot,  I'm confused why they didn't have someone pick them up so they didn't have to walk so far with people screaming questions at them. 

Link?

[justoneoftwo]

Just now, zygote373 said:

Yes, but she could basically never leave the house alone because it would leave Josh with the kids. I don't see how it would be tenable without creating a ton of tension and logistical difficulty.

I agree, also there are cases of people losing their kids because of staying with a sex offender so she might consider that, but probably not

[libgirl2]

1 minute ago, noseybutt said:

Link?

yea, I want to see. 

[Antimony]

1 minute ago, zygote373 said:

Yes, but she could basically never leave the house alone because it would leave Josh with the kids. I don't see how it would be tenable without creating a ton of tension and logistical difficulty.

I'm goofin' off here, joking, but reading this my first thought was, "Bold of us to assume Anna ever left the house alone and that Josh took any responsibility for the kids, even to allow her to do one tiny errand."

I mean, surely it has happened, but I am reminded of how much of a Big Deal it was for the show when Jim Bob had to be a parent for like...one single day so Michelle could go to a Conference. I am also thinking of the time she had to bring him lunch in DC, or that time she had to take the subway with the kids to meet him for lunch on the show, or some contrived plot line like that.