(CW&CSA) Josh & Anna 52: Sweeping Crackers for a Lower Sentence

[Antipatriarch]

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The Sun's reporter noted that the court's average sentence was 81 months.

Josh Duggar was sentenced to 151 months.

 

 

[JermajestyDuggar]

At least Mack, Mike, and Marc will be legal adults when he gets out. 

[SassyPants]

4 minutes ago, Red Hair, Black Dress said:

If the youngest M kid will be 10-12 when Josh gets out, how old will the oldest be?  No matter how sheltered the M kids are, at least the oldest might see the news and read what Cracker Sweeping Daddy(TM) did.

Anna believes Josh is completely totally innocent and a wrongfully convicted sex offender,  She's going to live in that Denial Land come hell and high water.  To believe he is guilty is to know she was a blind fool to all this faults. An idiot for staying with him after the Ashley Madison/ infidelity reveal.  An idiot for having more M kids.

She's an uneducated, completely dependent on others' money, submissive, keep sweet woman. One whose parents pushed her into this marriage and pushed her to stay in it. Where can she go with 7 children? What are her options? She certainly won't accept (or be talked out of) evil government assistance.

If she keeps living in Denial Land and keeps publicly saying Joshly is innocent, Ol' JB might kick in some money and let them keep living in the windowless warehouse.

See I disagree about her being “talked out” of government benefits. JB seems to be running the show or has been up until this point, and JB is a taker. If someone else is paying to support them and it means he is off the hook, I think JB will be just fine with it. I have no doubt Josie’s care was covered by the state of AR…it’s just standard practice, and that’s what the money is for. Anna has zero means of family support, and many kids to provide for. She should take everything she can get and start to build a better life-

[imokit]

$50000 in fines as well - what happens if Josh can't afford it?

[zygote373]

2 minutes ago, Antimony said:

I'm goofin' off here, joking, but reading this my first thought was, "Bold of us to assume Anna ever left the house alone and that Josh took any responsibility for the kids, even to allow her to do one tiny errand."

I mean, surely it has happened, but I am reminded of how much of a Big Deal it was for the show when Jim Bob had to be a parent for like...one single day so Michelle could go to a Conference. I am also thinking of the time she had to bring him lunch in DC, or that time she had to take the subway with the kids to meet him for lunch on the show, or some contrived plot line like that. 

Indeed.

Honestly, I wonder if it's even allowed for him to live with minors at all. What about when Anna is asleep? So maybe all of this is moot.

[Father Son Holy Goat]

I could see Josh committing suicide in his jail cell tonight. I’m honestly not sure how I’d feel about it, I’m both numb and flooded. 
 

Intellectually I can recognize that 12.5 years is a long amount of time and a good sentence. But I also know the victims will have to live with this everyday for the rest of their lives which is a lot longer than 12.5 years. My sexual abuse started at age 3 and 30 odd years later is has effected every facet of my life. I’d LOVE my “sentence” of PTSD, eating disorders, chronic unemployment and under employment, depression, anxiety, fear of men, self hatred to be a mere 12.5 years. But no, I get life. Josh’s victims get life. But he gets 12.5 years. This isn’t fair or just. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Father Son Holy Goat

[Jackie3]

12 minutes ago, zygote373 said:

Really curious to see what Anna will do. Would be very difficult for them to all live in the same house as a "happy family" when he's released if he's not allowed to be alone with the children. Will she still insist on sticking by him, or will she finally prioritize her children living in a secure home?

 

That's the thing. I like the restrictions, but how are they enforced? How will they keep Josh off the internet, for example? You can access the internet so easily, at the Apple store, the library, a friend's tablet.  In 12 years, it might be even easier. How will they keep Josh away from his minor children without a whole lot of trust in Anna? I hope those restrictions are actually enforceable.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Jackie3

[libgirl2]

1 minute ago, imokit said:

$50000 in fines as well - what happens if Josh can't afford it?

Daddy pays

[SassyPants]

1 minute ago, imokit said:

$50000 in fines as well - what happens if Josh can't afford it?

Bend over, JB!

[libgirl2]

3 minutes ago, Father Son Holy Goat said:

I could see Josh committing suicide in his jail cell tonight. I’m honestly not sure how I’d feel about it, I’m both numb and flooded. 
 

Intellectually I can recognize that 12.5 years is a fair amount of time and a good sentence. But I also know the victims will have to live with this everyday for the rest of their lives which is a lot longer than 12.5 years. My sexual abuse started at age 3 and 30 odd years later is has effected every facet of my life. I’d LOVE my sentence of PTSD, eating disorders, chronic unemployment and under employment, depression, anxiety, fear of men, self hatred to be a mere 12.5 years. But no, I get life. Josh’s victims get life. But he gets 12.5 years. This isn’t fair or just.

No it is not. I am so sorry.  If it were up to me, the penalty would be death for most of these pervs. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by libgirl2

[formergothardite]

7 minutes ago, noseybutt said:

Link?

Spoiler

 

They leave around the 20 min mark. 

[noseybutt]

2 minutes ago, imokit said:

$50000 in fines as well - what happens if Josh can't afford it?

Whoa

Maybe an attorney could comment.  Because I am wondering if this is a way to 100% make sure there is no profiting off this case? I am guessing if Anna remains married, any of her earnings she gets would need to go toward the fines???

[justoneoftwo]

2 minutes ago, Jackie3 said:

That's the thing. I like the restrictions, but how are they enforced? How will they keep Josh off the internet, for example? You can access the internet so easily, at the Apple store, the library, a friend's tablet.  In 12 years, it might be even easier. How will they keep Josh away from his minor children without a whole lot of trust in Anna? I hope those restrictions are actually enforceable.

In my limited experience in other states with poc there is no trust given to the mother if she lives with him.  Her children would be removed.

[SPHASH]

22 minutes ago, Laura2730 said:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLEkxoXM/?k=1
 

after he gets out he’s on probation for 20 years- no unsupervised contact with minors (including M kids), no pornography and no internet access unless approved by probation officer.

That would be Mason, Mayella, and Madyson.

[Satan'sFortress]

4 minutes ago, imokit said:

$50000 in fines as well - what happens if Josh can't afford it?

Maybe that widow lady could start a GoFundMe for him and repay his Christian charity. 

[Antipatriarch]

2 minutes ago, formergothardite said:

They leave around the 20 min mark. 

Anna's at about 21:45

[SillyDillys]

I love it the fast walking from anna and boob, how furious Jimmy boy stance is... only way this could have been better if one or both tripped and face planted.

[Antimony]

1 minute ago, imokit said:

$50000 in fines as well - what happens if Josh can't afford it?

Objection...calls for speculation...and I have felt Called to Speculate. It is my Calling, truly. 

A lot of things. I would find it difficult for him to argue that he can't afford this, considering the cost of his defense, but anyhow. 

He can set up a payment plan, other people can help him pay it (like any bill, really), the Court can impose a number of further consequences (more prison, included), and that debt can be subject to normal routes of debt collection. 

I know a bunch of hullabaloo has been made here about my feelings re: prison but I actually think this fine is way too low. That's weird for me, because I think making laws punishable by fine makes the law effectively legal for the mega-rich. But this feels very, very, very, very, low. The maximum fine is ($250K). 

(It is also my belief, incidentally, that the use of fines could be better leveraged to get us closer to restorative justice, and I think it's a cryin' shame that this money does not go to victims, either directly or indirectly, through some sort of program or scholarship support, etc.)

[Father Son Holy Goat]

2 minutes ago, Satan'sFortress said:

Maybe that widow lady could start a GoFundMe for him and repay his Christian charity. 

I’d pledge -1,000 so Josh owes me a grand.

[neuroticcat]

Still catching up but just saw this in The Sun's stream. "Anna was seen making a hand gesture towards him." If only.

[formergothardite]

Just now, SillyDillys said:

I love it the fast walking from anna and boob, how furious Jimmy boy stance is... only way this could have been better if one or both tripped and face planted.

I keep thinking of that smug smile Anna had when Josh initially turned himself in. She was so confident he wasn’t going to get into any real trouble. I bet she still thinks that he will be set free with the appeal. Last I checked she has a link to the appeal in her Instagram bio. 

[EmCatlyn]

1 hour ago, Queen Of Hearts said:

And we know Jill and Amy are close, so I don't think Any would do something that Jill would object to.

Also, I have no doubt that JB has made Any and her mother's life difficult over the years.  Probably much more so since Mary died.  Being able to speak up against JB, the cult, and Josh is probably very freeing for her.  

Sometimes, when people express their feelings very performatively, it is hard to focus on the genuineness of those feelings.  Maybe that is unfair, but it did seem that Amy is trying to push herself forward unnecessarily. I know if my cousins were in trouble, even if I thought they deserved it, I wouldn’t be giving interviews condemning them. 🤷‍♀️

[Sarcastically spinster]

8 minutes ago, justoneoftwo said:

In my limited experience in other states with poc there is no trust given to the mother if she lives with him.  Her children would be removed.

Sometimes the mother can be a chaperone - Steven Sitler's wife (Doug Wilson-enabled child molester) was a chaperone at first until he failed a polygraph about being aroused by his infant son, at which point she was no longer able to chaperone.  

[indianabones]

4 minutes ago, neuroticcat said:

Still catching up but just saw this in The Sun's stream. "Anna was seen making a hand gesture towards him." If only.

I read on another website that she was signing "I love you" to him.

[Father Son Holy Goat]

6 minutes ago, neuroticcat said:

Still catching up but just saw this in The Sun's stream. "Anna was seen making a hand gesture towards him." If only.

I’m also currently seen making a hand gesture towards him. 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Father Son Holy Goat