Joshley Madison Part 6 - Sin, Confess, Repeat

[older than allosaurs]

First posted about on page 35 of this thread

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with at least 11 additional posts in same thread discussing same.

Ah gee, sorry. I did a search for Kingsbury before posting and it didn't come up.

[VTSleeper]

Maybe I'm wrong(and by all means, correct me if I am), but I thought that clients couldn't discuss their problems among themselves outside of their meetings.

After watching the live feed, it's quite clear to me that they want people "testifying" about the amazing things RU has done for them.

[princessmahina]

I'm thinking now that the school itself may make the difference. In grammar school in the 70s we were definitely taught about eternal hell fire. I went to two different catholic high schools. In one we read quite a bit of the bible. In the other I don't remember reading the Bible at all, but we were taught to use birth control. ...in detail.

Lmk if I'm getting too far off the main topic here with this side discussion.

I went to three Catholic schools in the early 2000s. We were taught that the fire was a metaphor for the pain of separation from God. It makes more sense that way (to me, at least).

[PassTheCoffee]

Okay so, as far as the whole "all sin is equal" discussion.... Wouldn't the 10 commandments kind of debunk this theory? Now I haven't read the bible all the way through, and it's been ages since I've read it at all, but I always thought that breaking any of those would be committing ultimate sins. Those are the rules that absolutely should not be broken.

As far as the 7 deadly sins go... Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe that they have any actual mention in the bible. I thought those were just based on human nature as they are all completely unavoidable, but manageable, yet they can completely spiral your life out of control if you let them.

Josh has certainly broken a commandment here, so even though God may forgive him, I don't see how what he did would be equal to, say, ankle showing, as per scripture.

As for the sins in and of themselves, I'm curious to know how they discuss them, if they do at all. Obviously Josh knows that he has sinned, but does he understand WHY what he did was so wrong? Or do they just say, God says you've sinned so you're going away? I don't think this "rehab" will help any, but I really don't see Josh getting better at all if he doesn't even understand the reason why what he did was so wrong outside of the fact that the bible says you shouldn't do that.

mind you, I'm just here for the discussion. I never really watched the show, but I've known of them since their specials, and I find myself extremely glued to this scandal because it has taken me back to my childhood I guess. I know not all Christians believe like the Dugger's, and I know that not all Christians are bad, but the hypocrisy and the holier than thou attitude they live by is what the general public is seeing, this is the kind of thing I saw growing up and exactly the kind of theology that drew me away from it. I guess I am just trying to understand. I think they (or any one really) can preach until they are blue in the face, but you're actions reflect what is truly in your heart. It's hard to stand by someone who makes everything look so good on paper, but destroys everything they touch.

[princessmahina]

Okay so, as far as the whole "all sin is equal" discussion.... Wouldn't the 10 commandments kind of debunk this theory? Now I haven't read the bible all the way through, and it's been ages since I've read it at all, but I always thought that breaking any of those would be committing ultimate sins. Those are the rules that absolutely should not be broken.

As far as the 7 deadly sins go... Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe that they have any actual mention in the bible. I thought those were just based on human nature as they are all completely unavoidable, but manageable, yet they can completely spiral your life out of control if you let them.

Josh has certainly broken a commandment here, so even though God may forgive him, I don't see how what he did would be equal to, say, ankle showing, as per scripture.

As for the sins in and of themselves, I'm curious to know how they discuss them, if they do at all. Obviously Josh knows that he has sinned, but does he understand WHY what he did was so wrong? Or do they just say, God says you've sinned so you're going away? I don't think this "rehab" will help any, but I really don't see Josh getting better at all if he doesn't even understand the reason why what he did was so wrong outside of the fact that the bible says you shouldn't do that.

mind you, I'm just here for the discussion. I never really watched the show, but I've known of them since their specials, and I find myself extremely glued to this scandal because it has taken me back to my childhood I guess. I know not all Christians believe like the Dugger's, and I know that not all Christians are bad, but the hypocrisy and the holier than thou attitude they live by is what the general public is seeing, this is the kind of thing I saw growing up and exactly the kind of theology that drew me away from it. I guess I am just trying to understand. I think they (or any one really) can preach until they are blue in the face, but you're actions reflect what is truly in your heart. It's hard to stand by someone who makes everything look so good on paper, but destroys everything they touch.

As a Catholic, I just don't understand the logic of "all sins are equal." A white lie to save someone's feelings may count as a sin (because it's technically a lie), but it's nowhere near the level of mass murderer. It just seems illogical to me.

[apple1]

I would say that there are many Christians that believe that - while all sin is by definition, sin - at the very least, sins vary in their earthly consequences. You know, the actions have consequences thing. And that forgiveness does not mean that a person won't experience the earthly consequences of their actions.

But this idea is (IMHO) more a mainstream Christian kind of thing.

[browncoatslytherin]

As a Catholic, I just don't understand the logic of "all sins are equal." A white lie to save someone's feelings may count as a sin (because it's technically a lie), but it's nowhere near the level of mass murderer. It just seems illogical to me.

my ifb, borderline-ati upbringing drilled into me all sins being equal. it never really made sense to me, either, but that's how they rolled.

[Rachel333]

I would say that there are many Christians that believe that - while all sin is by definition, sin - at the very least, sins vary in their earthly consequences. You know, the actions have consequences thing. And that forgiveness does not mean that a person won't experience the earthly consequences of their actions.

But this idea is (IMHO) more a mainstream Christian kind of thing.

That's pretty much what I was taught. All sin is equal in that it all separates us from God, but some sins can be more harmful than others.

The idea that all sins are equal was actually how I started to accept the idea of homosexuality; people started saying that since all sins are equal, someone who is gay isn't any more of a sinner than any straight Christian, so we have no right to judge.

(I actually recall someone giving a version of that sermon, where he also admonished the audience for caring more about what gay people are doing than about things like starvation or human trafficking, with Josh and Anna in attendance.)

Now I don't believe in the idea of sin at all, though, so I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with being gay.

[ADoyle90815]

I would say that there are many Christians that believe that - while all sin is by definition, sin - at the very least, sins vary in their earthly consequences. You know, the actions have consequences thing. And that forgiveness does not mean that a person won't experience the earthly consequences of their actions.

But this idea is (IMHO) more a mainstream Christian kind of thing.

That's basically what I remember, but also that it's human nature to sin, which is why the crucifixion and resurrection happened, as long as people ask for forgiveness. I never had a problem with homosexuality, since it seems to run in my family as I think it's something people are born with. Whether it's genetic or has other causes before birth, I don't know, but I think sexual orientation is something people are born with. The majority of us are born heterosexual, and there are others who are homosexual. As long as it's with consenting adults in the privacy of one's bedroom, I honestly don't care who others love. I don't mind polygamy or polyamory as long as all participants are consenting adults.

[MakeItSo]

FRC President Tony Perkins talks with The Kelly File about Smuggar

can't wait til something dirty comes out about Tony Perkins. :lol:

[FJismyheadship]

I see that it's been discovered this was fake (boo.) But just curious how you came across it to begin with?

My brother forwarded it to me. He claims he was digging through all things Smithson. This is exactly the kind of thing he would find humorous.

Shall I bring him in front of FJ to be punished for his possible crimes?

[LovelyLuna]

So for the last two days as I look at the clock throughout the day I think about what Joshy boy is up to, its gone kinda like this

up at 7 am to pee, Haha Josh has been up for 2 and a half hours already. :nenner:

wake up around 10, I wonder what crappy job he is doing right now, I hope he is digging ditches. :twisted:

oh look it's 5:00! hope the food is like the plastic food bags from Orange is the New Black. *evil chuckle*

9:00 while watching tv snuggling with MR. LL, I wonder how awkward that game room is right now. hope Josh is forced to play checkers with someone he dislikes.

and so on.

I’m not sure if this is healthy behavior that my shrink would approve of, but I am getting quite a kick out of enjoying him being uncomfortable* right now. :whistle:

* note I said uncomfortable, I am not wishing him any ill will other then having to eat crappy food, do hard labor on little sleep, have bibles bonked on his head repeatedly and to not be treated like a special little prince.

[justbecause]

The website was backdated. If you click on the post times, some of the page URLs have /2015/08/ in them. Whoever created them was hoping to fool us but forgot to change some of the URLs.

Example: s3cr3tl1f3.blogspot.com/2015/08/so-i-called-bella.html

The page claims to have been written in 2012 but the URL is dated this August 2015.

Great detective work!

[Alicja]

As a Catholic, I just don't understand the logic of "all sins are equal." A white lie to save someone's feelings may count as a sin (because it's technically a lie), but it's nowhere near the level of mass murderer. It just seems illogical to me.

I never either. I've always viewed it as a way to minimize sin and wrongdoing, like how Pa Keller allegedly said "well, King David had an affair." They will equate molestation to a white lie and in the same breath equate being LGBT to murder. It's ridiculous. Are all sins equally severe or are they all just small mistakes? Who is judging this?

[HarleyQuinn]

Nice detective work on that blog! I'm a little disappointed it's fake. lol

ETA: I'm glad someone shared that Love, Joy, Feminism article again. I missed it in the other thread. It was a good read.

[SportsgalAnnie]

as far as sins go,

In the Methodist Church I grew up in we were taught all sins are equal and once Christ enters your life,you must prayerfully acknowledge sins but it can be done in private.

[blessalessi]

S3cr3tl1f3.blogspot.com

Thoughts? Real, fake, belongs to some other random guy who cheats on his spousal unit and has freakishly controlling parents?

Theres only five or six posts spanning from December 2012 to Jan. 2013

Looks to me like it was created by a semi-literate, attention-seeking arsehole who is way too invested in the Duggars for their own good. :lol:

[candygirl200413]

So apparently Jboob just uploaded a note to fathers....

duggarfamily.com/note-to-fathers

My favorite part is:

" Start protecting your family by removing books, magazines, television, or internet that have worldly or sensual content. Replace them with good things like wholesome music, biographies of great Christians, good old-fashioned family fun and games. Love God with your whole heart and look for opportunities to serve others as a family and tell others about our Saviour."

:angry-banghead: :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead:

[SportsgalAnnie]

So apparently Jboob just uploaded a note to fathers....

duggarfamily.com/note-to-fathers

My favorite part is:

" Start protecting your family by removing books, magazines, television, or internet that have worldly or sensual content. Replace them with good things like wholesome music, biographies of great Christians, good old-fashioned family fun and games. Love God with your whole heart and look for opportunities to serve others as a family and tell others about our Saviour."

:angry-banghead: :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead:

Because that worked out so well for him

[HarleyQuinn]

So apparently Jboob just uploaded a note to fathers....

duggarfamily.com/note-to-fathers

My favorite part is:

" Start protecting your family by removing books, magazines, television, or internet that have worldly or sensual content. Replace them with good things like wholesome music, biographies of great Christians, good old-fashioned family fun and games. Love God with your whole heart and look for opportunities to serve others as a family and tell others about our Saviour."

:angry-banghead: :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead:

Did they still have all that lying around the house? Was that Josh's excuse? Walmart ad tempted him too much?

[candygirl200413]

Didn't they have a TV once the show came back? And I assumed that the only things they were allowed to watch were edited shows such as "Andy Griffith".

I mean I'm not surprised, but especially at a time like this, should JBoob really offer his "fatherly" advice?

[Alicja]

So apparently Jboob just uploaded a note to fathers....

duggarfamily.com/note-to-fathers

My favorite part is:

" Start protecting your family by removing books, magazines, television, or internet that have worldly or sensual content. Replace them with good things like wholesome music, biographies of great Christians, good old-fashioned family fun and games. Love God with your whole heart and look for opportunities to serve others as a family and tell others about our Saviour."

:angry-banghead: :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead:

[mebeforee]

I feel like JB has written that exact thing before. Maybe they republished it because they thought it was especially relevant right now. Of course, JB is an example of a pretty ignorant and negligent father who has done nothing to 'protect' his children and everything to control and oppress them. Any kids that get out of the house and don't have to deal with emotional baggage from the poor parenting they received are just exceptionally lucky, because the Duggar parents have done everything in their power to prevent healthy growth.

[princessmahina]

So apparently Jboob just uploaded a note to fathers....

duggarfamily.com/note-to-fathers

My favorite part is:

" Start protecting your family by removing books, magazines, television, or internet that have worldly or sensual content. Replace them with good things like wholesome music, biographies of great Christians, good old-fashioned family fun and games. Love God with your whole heart and look for opportunities to serve others as a family and tell others about our Saviour."

:angry-banghead: :angry-banghead: :angry-banghead:

So...this is kind of good advice- obviously, you shouldn't leave pornography lying around for your children. But it seems like this is really superficial. I think part of Josh's problem was growing up in such a large family. He obviously needed more (and higher quality) attention from his parents. Beatings and guilt trips didn't work. Right now, the Duggars are in no position to be giving out parenting advice- unless parents want advice on raising sex offenders or submissive women who blame themselves for men's faults.

[lizbeth]

What is the entire purpose of that post from Jim Bob? I don't see how it's relevant to give random generic advice on how to father or how many children to have now. It would make more sense to tie the advice into the situation with Josh, which I guess he did with the part about removing sensual content from the home but in a very vague way.

Guess telling people to have as many kids as possible once again was just "on his heart"!