Joshley Madison Part 6 - Sin, Confess, Repeat

[Boogalou]

Latest discussion points:

 

Josh has checked into a Christian based rehab facility for his supposed porn addiction according to a statement on the Duggar family website. TMZ is reporting second hand accounts of women claiming to have slept with Josh. Something about atheists and nail polish.

 

The Backstory:

In addition to being a child molester who victimized his own sisters, golden boy Joshua Duggar had 2 accounts on Ashley Madison, a website whose motto is "Life is Short, Have an Affair." He paid extra for the Affair in 3 Months or Your Money Back! guarantee.

 

Josh issued a statement admitting to being unfaithful. It has been edited twice since it went up. The first edit removed an awesome reference to Satan's Fortress in Josh's heart. The second edit removed reference to a porn addiction, and some mention of the molestation scandal.

 

There was an OKCupid account linked to the same email address, but it is now deleted. You can see some screenshots of his answers to various questions here: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26814

 

There is a twitter account full of porn and MILFs and great big boobies that is rumored to be tied to the same email address as the other accounts, but it's not clear to me if it's been verified.

 

And there's at least one Facebook account in the mix as well.

 

On Jessa's Facebook page Daniel Keller claims he has offered for Anna and the kids to stay with him if she wants to leave the pig.

 

Part 1: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26801

Part 2: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26813

Part 3: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26823

Part 4: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26846

Part 5: viewtopic.php?f=87&t=26877

 

Thanks all for the great title suggestions. I liked them all but could pick only one!

[ClaraOswin]

Love the new thread title!

[FundieFarmer]

Yessss the thread title!

[chelleinchicago]

Is there a smudge stick smilie?

*Exhaling*

[16strong]

Who needs thread title suggestions when you have Daniel Keller.

[SAH Internetter]

I can't find anything about this anywhere... on my blog reader today a People article came up titled "Duggar Family Member Speaks Out: 'We Are All Shocked, Broken and Furious'" (lack of serial comma theirs), but when I clicked the link to read the article, wondering which family member was talking, there was nothing on the page. Did anyone else see this today? Was it Amy?

[bingbangboom]

Great title!

Perhaps somebody should make bacon from "the pig". Bacon is devine. Sort of a lemons and lemonade deal...

Though the duggars don't do pork...

[WorkingOnIt]

In fundie theology, all sins are ultimately equal in God's eyes because *any* sin means no heaven and we're born in sin, so there's no escape (hence Jesus had to die to pay for our sins). All sins have the same treatment (ask God for forgiveness) and outcome (he forgives).

So tiny sins (showing your ankles) are magnified, and big sins (adultery) are minimized - or at the very least, the fundie comeback is we shouldn't judge because we're all sinners.

My thoughts are that as all this tripe is being hammered into Josh at the treatment centre, where does Anna fit in? If I horribly hurt someone I loved in a moment of weakness, my only concern would be how I made them feel and how to fix it. Instead, Josh's priority is to cut himself off from Anna and pray. Labeling it an addiction is just a way to avoid having to truly *feel* the consequences of what he's done.

I find it telling that the initial statement blamed the devil and then this was removed. The Duggars have always had to tread a fine line when it comes to satisfying their fundie fans who would nod their heads sagely at the devil reference, and appealing to the general public who indirectly fund(ed) their lifestyle and would roll their eyes at "the devil made me do it!" excuses.

[JBsHairspray]

I can't find anything about this anywhere... on my blog reader today a People article came up titled "Duggar Family Member Speaks Out: 'We Are All Shocked, Broken and Furious'" (lack of serial comma theirs), but when I clicked the link to read the article, wondering which family member was talking, there was nothing on the page. Did anyone else see this today? Was it Amy?

I thought it certainly sounded like Amy. Especially "this is supposed to be a happy time" possibly referring to her upcoming wedding. I suspect it would have been a TLC extravaganza which has obviously been canned because of Joshley.

[SAH Internetter]

I can't find anything about this anywhere... on my blog reader today a People article came up titled "Duggar Family Member Speaks Out: 'We Are All Shocked, Broken and Furious'" (lack of serial comma theirs), but when I clicked the link to read the article, wondering which family member was talking, there was nothing on the page. Did anyone else see this today? Was it Amy?

The screenshot didn't work the first time.

[2manyKidzzz]

In fundie theology, all sins are ultimately equal in God's eyes because *any* sin means no heaven and we're born in sin, so there's no escape (hence Jesus had to die to pay for our sins). All sins have the same treatment (ask God for forgiveness) and outcome (he forgives).

So tiny sins (showing your ankles) are magnified, and big sins (adultery) are minimized - or at the very least, the fundie comeback is we shouldn't judge because we're all sinners.

My thoughts are that as all this tripe is being hammered into Josh at the treatment centre, where does Anna fit in? If I horribly hurt someone I loved in a moment of weakness, my only concern would be how I made them feel and how to fix it. Instead, Josh's priority is to cut himself off from Anna and pray. Labeling it an addiction is just a way to avoid having to truly *feel* the consequences of what he's done.

I find it telling that the initial statement blamed the devil and then this was removed. The Duggars have always had to tread a fine line when it comes to satisfying their fundie fans who would nod their heads sagely at the devil reference, and appealing to the general public who indirectly fund(ed) their lifestyle and would roll their eyes at "the devil made me do it!" excuses.

Thank you, I did not know about this twisted theology.....but I certainly believe it matches up with the Duggar behavior. What a mess.

[Hot Dog Fingers]

This thread title :lol:

This is just gonna be Josh's routine with anything bad he does for the rest of his life :evil:

[ShadowyOne]

An FJ member used the bacon bra as his/her avatar some years back. Brings back memories. :-)

I believe she was a self-admitted curmudgeonly "old" woman.

[PassTheCoffee]

In fundie theology, all sins are ultimately equal in God's eyes because *any* sin means no heaven and we're born in sin, so there's no escape (hence Jesus had to die to pay for our sins). All sins have the same treatment (ask God for forgiveness) and outcome (he forgives).

So tiny sins (showing your ankles) are magnified, and big sins (adultery) are minimized - or at the very least, the fundie comeback is we shouldn't judge because we're all sinners.

My thoughts are that as all this tripe is being hammered into Josh at the treatment centre, where does Anna fit in? If I horribly hurt someone I loved in a moment of weakness, my only concern would be how I made them feel and how to fix it. Instead, Josh's priority is to cut himself off from Anna and pray. Labeling it an addiction is just a way to avoid having to truly *feel* the consequences of what he's done.

I find it telling that the initial statement blamed the devil and then this was removed. The Duggars have always had to tread a fine line when it comes to satisfying their fundie fans who would nod their heads sagely at the devil reference, and appealing to the general public who indirectly fund(ed) their lifestyle and would roll their eyes at "the devil made me do it!" excuses.

See, this is where I get confused, if we are all equal because we all sin, then why are they so holier than thou? shouldn't they be more humble towards the public instead of damning everyone who doesn't believe as they do? They expect us to just forgive and forget what Josh did because God, but when it comes to gay marriage and everything else, unbelievers are a lost cause. Whatever happened to "Forgive them, for they know not what they do"?

I was raised with a fairly religious background, not fundy, but my parent were pretty hard with the bible thumping (especially my dad) yet, my parents where divorced and my father ended up in jail for molesting children (not me) he wasn't in long, but when he got out I no longer was forced to see him because of his crimes. He started living a very fundy like life (i never talk to him, so I'm not sure exactly what he followed) he made sure I knew I was going to hell because (in HIS words) "your tattoos make you perverted. At least you can't see my sins"... Add all that onto a lot of emotional and verbal abuse between my broken home, I kind of backed out of the religious side of things. My idea of life is to just strive to be the best person I can possibly be. That being said, what I took away from the sermons and parts of the bible that I know, we are to strive to be like Jesus, not God. Jesus sat with the lepers, he wasn't afraid to be seen with sinners, he did so much for everyone that groups like the Dugger's would walk by and spit on. By putting themselves on a religious pedestal, passing their judgments, damning people, throwing stones at everyone on their sins, and ignoring their own... IMO that's emulating God, not Jesus, isn't playing God a pretty big sin in and of itself?

I don't know, I just thought that Jesus wasn't just here to die for our sins, but to also be the role model on how God wanted us to live.

They also want people to "convert" to their way of life. Well, it just seems to me that you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. I don't understand people who spread so much hate and hypocrisy then sit back playing the pity game. It's just too much IMO.

(Side note: I support gay marriage, the end of my first paragraph is suppose to be seen from Dugger POV, I don't think they are sinners)

[AngelGirl8811]

Oh my goodness! I am never going to catch up! Josh :naughty:! Wow, I feel bad for the guy after the M4 announcement because he looks so downtrodden and then he just breaks scandal after scandal! Which you know...Smugger and all but his poor kids and Anna. If I were her I'd pull a goodbye Earl, I'm sure Jim Bob probably wants to. It'd be easier than explaining him to people. But he'll be back in no time talking about how Jesus changed him for the better and blah blah blah. All the while, he'll be looking for an even more secretive site to have an affair. :popcorn2:

[bionicmlle]

I believe she was a self-admitted curmudgeonly "old" woman.

Ahh... the bacon bra.... I hope this doesn't start a peanut butter war.

On second thought, that may be better than the "debate" in the previous thread. :o

[antwan]

Thank you, I did not know about this twisted theology.....but I certainly believe it matches up with the Duggar behavior. What a mess.

I agree that labeling this as "addiction" gives Josh an out to....well, to get out and away, while misguided Anna has to suffer the consequences. Twisted.

However, the "fundie theology" comment is not quite accurate. Sin not being weighed as "greater" or "lesser" is not fundie theology. It is the belief of Christians in *general*, that God does not look upon one sin as greater or less than another. ALL sin grieves the heart of God, and the way of reconciliation is always the same, -through the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ and His complete work on the cross. We were not born IN sin but with a sin nature, and it's not that there isn't "a way out", but rather that there is no human effort great enough to reconcile us to God (we cannot *earn* our way to heaven), thus He provided the sinless, blameless sacrifice in His Son, Jesus.

I'm sure the comment was intended to be informative and contributory, but as a mainstream Christian, I think it's very important we don't confuse mainstream tenets of the Christian faith with warped fundamentalist legalistic takes on Christianity.

[NotALoserLikeYou]

Bill Maher just went on a rant about him on his show. It was fabulous.

[sawasdee]

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Sin not being weighed as "greater" or "lesser" is not fundie theology. It is the belief of Christians in *general*, that God does not look upon one sin as greater or less than another. ALL sin grieves the heart of God, and the way of reconciliation is always the same, -through the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ and His complete work on the cross. We were not born IN sin but with a sin nature, and it's not that there isn't "a way out", but rather that there is no human effort great enough to reconcile us to God (we cannot *earn* our way to heaven), thus He provided the sinless, blameless sacrifice in His Son, Jesus.

I'm sure the comment was intended to be informative and contributory, but as a mainstream Christian, I think it's very important we don't confuse mainstream tenets of the Christian faith with warped fundamentalist legalistic takes on Christianity.

[gemma]

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Sin not being weighed as "greater" or "lesser" is not fundie theology. It is the belief of Christians in *general*, that God does not look upon one sin as greater or less than another. ALL sin grieves the heart of God, and the way of reconciliation is always the same, -through the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ and His complete work on the cross. We were not born IN sin but with a sin nature, and it's not that there isn't "a way out", but rather that there is no human effort great enough to reconcile us to God (we cannot *earn* our way to heaven), thus He provided the sinless, blameless sacrifice in His Son, Jesus.

I'm sure the comment was intended to be informative and contributory, but as a mainstream Christian, I think it's very important we don't confuse mainstream tenets of the Christian faith with warped fundamentalist legalistic takes on Christianity.

I don't know if the teaching has changed in the forty years since I left the RCC, but we were definitely taught that there were greater and lesser sins - mortal and venial. Murder would be a mortal sin, deception a venial sin.If you died in a state of mortal sin, it was very bad........

[Lainey]

Bill Maher just went on a rant about him on his show. It was fabulous.

I want to see this...where may I see this?

[JBsHairspray]

I want to see this...where may I see this?

I'm watching this on HBO right now. He's interviewing Rick Santorum the Duggar's favourite. Santorum is talking about his faith......he's an evil Catholic but yet they have backed him in the past?!?!

[DawnJosie]

RE Bill Maher:

Is this what you saw?

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFMGRYMrdrs

[JillyO]

Fair point. So what you're saying is facilities like the one Josh is at are so inexpensive they aren't breaking even, and thus use food stamps so subsidize their programs. Correct? If so, then again, I cannot believe that that is actually legal. (And I am not doubting you when you say it is; I am just saying tht's fucked up. Why should the public subsidize bullshit fake Jesus camps?)

As for the second part of your post: Nope, that wasn't me. No confusion about that on my part.

[DeFrauder]

I don't know if the teaching has changed in the forty years since I left the RCC, but we were definitely taught that there were greater and lesser sins - mortal and venial. Murder would be a mortal sin, deception a venial sin.If you died in a state of mortal sin, it was very bad........

I left the rcc about a year ago. Nothing has changed. Dying in a state of (mortal) sin would send you to hell.