Erin and Chad 10: Will they homeschool?

[nokidsmom]

On 5/14/2023 at 6:49 AM, Cupcake79 said:

I think it’s more that she wants as many kids as possible, but having the most of all the Bates siblings is a bonus she likes. 

Trying to catch up on threads and find that Erin is pregnant again???   Actually I am not surprised, she does seem to be the one who wanted to be just like her mother in the fertility department.    I can understand that her reduced fertility was a big disappointment to her but I never thought it would stop her from having more kids if she could help it.

On 5/14/2023 at 6:49 AM, Cupcake79 said:

I wonder what goes on in Chad’s head. He’s also indoctrinated to think that they have to have as many kids as possible but I think he is worried about Erin’s health. Wouldn’t it be fairly easy for him to pray for God’s guidance and come to the conclusion that it’s okay to stop having more kids. He’s supposed to be the headship. But maybe he isn’t in the end.

Believe it or not, I actually worry a bit about Chad.  The man has to be exhausted between working to support his family, support Erin with her health issues (including understandably being worried about her), look after the kids (because he seems to be an involved Dad), he seems to pretty much be at Erin's beck and call, honestly wonder that he's hasn't collapsed in pure exhaustion.  As far as his being headship, always thought it's in name only, that Erin is the one who calls the shots.

[Sabine]

3 hours ago, lumpentheologie said:

Another poster referred to trans men as “men” (in scare quotes, so not really men), and strongly implied that if we allow sex workers protections under labor laws suddenly all women will be forced to give blow jobs for a living, simply because they are women.

Which is especially ridiculous given that blow jobs in sex work originated among cis male and trans women prostitutes (as a substitute for vaginal sex), and cis women sex workers historically refused to do it until the normalization of oral sex in the 20th century. That’s why “cocksucker” is still an insult for a gay man, and not for a female sex worker. 

i have implied no such thing.  

I pointed out that 'men' giving birth do so because they have the female reproductive organ. Males - irrespective of their identity do not, have not, and will not give birth for a long time. That is not anti trans. That is currently the biological reality for everyone irrespective their self idendity. And for some transmen are 'men' and for some they are transman. Ditto for Trans women. Non of that means that people are transphobic, but we all have an understanding of reality, and one can not change their sex. And when it comes to reproduction sex is what matters. And if men/males could give birth, all the homosexual - same sex attracted couples could have their own children and would not be forced to buy one on the commercial surrogate market. 

Prostitutions is as old as is the day. Be nice to me and it will be not to your harm. Rich men and women buying poor people for their pleasures is nothing new, Caligula fucked his horse and made it a senator, Marquis de Sade was locked in the Bastille for writing his accounts of the debauchery of the rich and fanciful and clergy - and was one of the 7 prisoners freed by the revolutionaries of the French revolution, we have porn images dating back to the romans and before etc etc etc.  I am sure Jack the Ripper had a good moment of euphoria when cutting up the street workers during the reign of Queen Victoria who called prostitutes - as young as twelve (that was the age of 'consent') unfortunate ones. 

It is however something that rich people or people with money buy, and poor people provide. Some do well with it, the vast majority does not. Sex trafficking is still a thing, so you would be hard pressed to find out if that Romanian sex worker in the brothel in Germany is there because she wants to or because she was beaten to an inch of her life.  And yes, i can see that a rich person might dabble in it, but then they don't do it to pay bills. Having to pay rent with blow jobs is gonna be old real quick. 

I am German, we have a regulated, legal sex workers economy which is still not safe for prostitutes. And personally i have no opinion on it, even at my worst, sucking dick in order to get dinner was unappealing, i went and washed dishes, cleaned room etc. I tried survival sex once and knew it was not something that would work for me. 

However, if we are being honest here, and not just try to shut down a debate for 'assumed' phobia - of which there is none, we should look ahead to the future say 5 - 15 odd years. Automation will take a lot of jobs, women - females have always had lesser options for jobs, and in many third world countries prostitutions is the only form of employment for many.  I am just taking it to the logical end of 'legal sex work is work' thought.

If sex work is work, like being an admin person, or a sales person, and one is unemployed can one refuse a job for say 'blow job' giver. Or will that person risk having their unemployment benefit sanctioned for not taking up a suitable job offer. BTW, that already happened in the UK many years ago when young girls were offered jobs as strippers in men clubs, these job offers came via the Job Office. 

If surrogacy is a commercial venture, and giving birth is now a job description, can a young healthy women refuse the job of being a surrogate if being unemployed? 9+birthing leave month of employement? Or would that get them sanctioned and they loose their benefit? 

If Ova harvesting is a commercial venture and one can earn a living with it, or supplement their income, could a young woman be coerced into it - cause its a job honey, or could they loose their benefit? 

Lactation services, could a recent 'birther' 'pusher' 'babydropper' (all terms i have seen used) be compelled by law to sell their breast milk to supplement an income. Again, this is not a new job description, wet nurses have existet for a long time. 

Last at least in Europe there is a push to a 'human right to sex', if that is the case and people have this right, who is responsible for providing that sex? Transpeople? Women? Males? Poor people? Who? And to whom? 

As for prostitution personally i believe that in my scenario males/females alike could be compelled into that job market, but birthing, ova producing, lactation services are jobs only for human females. It's the reproductive organs that make the baby, not the word that is used to describe that person that has these organs. 

Non of this is 'transphobic', but i agree it is uncomfortable to see it written out that way. After all the only dystopia we are to be afraid of is that of the Handmaids Tale, where young women are ritually raped to provide an infant to people who can't have them. And where women can't have abortions. My scenario is literally just based on what is happening now in unemployment offices, refuse a job and get sanctioned for 12 weeks and get no benefit. 

But then i think that often the 'transphobic' label is dropped to stop a conversation rather then anything transphobic being said. 

Disclaimer: i can believe in a future where males and females alike might be able to carry a fetus to term, or all humans are incubated in pods or be born to people of a 'single gender' https://www.tvinsider.com/433355/the-orville-about-a-girl-bortus-klyden-video/And i am not the only one believing these things can happen, considering that a lot of sci fy has explored the idea of worlds in which only one type of human exists, be it male or female. 

Romanian "sex" workers in the uk https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/nov/30/silent-victims-the-hidden-romanian-women-exploited-in-the-uk-sex-trade

Romanian "sex" workers in germany https://childhub.org/en/child-protection-online-library/trafficking-women-romania-germany

 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Sabine
clarification that prostitution is a job males and females can provide.

[WatchingTheTireFireBurn]

Ok. Hmm.

 I appreciate there are strong feelings and concerns here.

I observe also that there are language and cultural differences in how people worldwide speak about  trans men/women/rights/status, gender, biological sex, act of sex, sex workers, etc etc and some of that language is in flux for what is and isn't accepted at the moment.

So I would hope people focus more of finding the common thread rather than highlighting differences.

 

But what I wanted to comment on was Chad- whoever above was saying they're worried about him- Yeah I agree. I assume she still has to get the daily shots. I wonder if after all these pregnancies she's gotten over herself and learned to do it herself. I somehow suspect not. So I'm envisioning Chad working full time, coming home to a constant stream of Erin projects, monitoring her health, giving her shots, trying to hang out with his kids some...and I expect he's probably got some sort of volunteer for church situation happening too. I wonder how he'll be in 5 years as he gets older and just more tired! But there's even more kids. Sounds like hell 

 

[browngrl]

6 hours ago, nokidsmom said:

I actually worry a bit about Chad. 

I don't. Erin was part of a thriving business and social media accounts. IMO Chad was the major reason these lucrative avenues were closed. Seeing how Bates Boutique has handled Carlin's health issues makes me think that Erin's health was not the major reason she left. Had Chad been able to accept Erin's financial success, he would be under considerably less stress. I realize he is fundie and bound by fundie ideas of money and marriage but both Carlin and Whitney's husbands were able to see that their wives endeavours were something worthwhile. 

Edited May 16, 2023 by browngrl
fixed a typo but almost certainly missed other mistakes LOL

[GracieLou Free Duggar]

Do we have any more updates from Erin "Steal Your Thunder" Bates-Paine? 

LOL

[Jackie3]

45 minutes ago, browngrl said:

I don't. Erin was part of a thriving business and social media accounts. IMO Chad was the major reason these lucrative avenues were closed. Seeing how Bates Boutique has handled Carlin's health issues makes me think that Erin's health was not the major reason she left. Had Chad been able to accept Erin's financial success, he would be under considerably less stress. I realize he is fundie and bound by fundie ideas of money and marriage but both Carlin and Whitney's husbands were able to see that their wives endeavours were something worthwhile. 

How do we know it was Chad who shut down Erin's financial endeavors? Did he come out and say this?

[Jackie3]

On 5/14/2023 at 4:59 PM, JermajestyDuggar said:

I’ve ranted before on FJ about rich people in the US using surrogates. People like Kim Kardashian, Khloe Kardashian, Paris Hilton, and Priyanka Chopra have all had children through surrogacy in the last few years because they can afford it. I would love to know what kind of situation they had with the surrogate. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they did take advantage of a person who may need the money and basically rented their body out for 9 months. 

 

I'm afraid this is not an opportunity to indulge your desire to stomp on the "rich."  Middle-class people use surrogates as well. 

 

[Sabine]

7 hours ago, Jackie3 said:

 

I'm afraid this is not an opportunity to indulge your desire to stomp on the "rich."  Middle-class people use surrogates as well. 

 

And it is the same thing. Wrong. But in saying that, if rich people make it look normal and approved why would middle class not go and buy themselves their own baby, so as long as they can find the money to rent a human for 9 month plus delivery of a tiny human being. 

[sleepygirl1]

8 hours ago, GracieLou Free Duggar said:

Do we have any more updates from Erin "Steal Your Thunder" Bates-Paine? 

LOL

I smell 👃 a new thread title.

[SassyPants]

Chad works full time? Can someone provide more information, thanks.

[HereticHick]

51 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

Chad works full time? Can someone provide more information, thanks.

Good question. We know nothing about Chad's employment/work in Florida.

[browngrl]

11 hours ago, Jackie3 said:

How do we know it was Chad who shut down Erin's financial endeavors? Did he come out and say this?

I'm not sure if he said the exact words but it was my impression watching the whole Erin/health/Carlin/Bates boutique saga. 

[SorenaJ]

23 hours ago, Sabine said:

 

If sex work is work, like being an admin person, or a sales person, and one is unemployed can one refuse a job for say 'blow job' giver. Or will that person risk having their unemployment benefit sanctioned for not taking up a suitable job offer. BTW, that already happened in the UK many years ago when young girls were offered jobs as strippers in men clubs, these job offers came via the Job Office. 

If surrogacy is a commercial venture, and giving birth is now a job description, can a young healthy women refuse the job of being a surrogate if being unemployed? 9+birthing leave month of employement? Or would that get them sanctioned and they loose their benefit? 

If Ova harvesting is a commercial venture and one can earn a living with it, or supplement their income, could a young woman be coerced into it - cause its a job honey, or could they loose their benefit? 

Lactation services, could a recent 'birther' 'pusher' 'babydropper' (all terms i have seen used) be compelled by law to sell their breast milk to supplement an income. Again, this is not a new job description, wet nurses have existet for a long time. 

Last at least in Europe there is a push to a 'human right to sex', if that is the case and people have this right, who is responsible for providing that sex? Transpeople? Women? Males? Poor people? Who? And to whom? 

As for prostitution personally i believe that in my scenario males/females alike could be compelled into that job market, but birthing, ova producing, lactation services are jobs only for human females. It's the reproductive organs that make the baby, not the word that is used to describe that person that has these organs. 

Non of this is 'transphobic', but i agree it is uncomfortable to see it written out that way. After all the only dystopia we are to be afraid of is that of the Handmaids Tale, where young women are ritually raped to provide an infant to people who can't have them. And where women can't have abortions. My scenario is literally just based on what is happening now in unemployment offices, refuse a job and get sanctioned for 12 weeks and get no benefit. 

 

I imagine sex work and surrogacy is kinda like a specialized job, like influencer, model, actor etc, where the Job Centre would not tell you do it, like they’re not gonna be like “become an influencer or lose your benefits”. 

[Sabine]

56 minutes ago, SorenaJ said:

I imagine sex work and surrogacy is kinda like a specialized job, like influencer, model, actor etc, where the Job Centre would not tell you do it, like they’re not gonna be like “become an influencer or lose your benefits”. 

If they are 'legal' jobs, with income tax to pay it could very well be. As i said, in the UK they already had 'stripper' in mens clubs as jobs advertised and send to young girls as 'suitable' and only public outrage and and a young women going public with it stopped that from happening. 

Influencer is not a job that you would find advertised at a Job Centre as generally that is based around a single person who - hopefully - does interesting things. Prostitution, stripping, lab dancing, topless waitressing are distinct job descriptions however, that can be charged hourly, and taxed accordingly, and with a different government in place can very well be jobs advertised in Job Centres. And in England and elsewhere if you refuse a suitable job, you will be sanctioned, you will lose your benefits, and there is not much you could do should that happen to you. 

And again, if these are the only jobs left for 'females' ....what should a young female do? Marry a bloke for a roof over ones head and a meal ticket? 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1299677/Job-centres-banned-advertising-strippers-lapdancers-topless-barmaids.html

https://www2.staffingindustry.com/eng/Editorial/Daily-News/UK-We-ll-stop-sex-jobs-being-advertised-in-Jobcentres-says-Minister-12723

 

 

 

[nolongerIFBx]

On 5/13/2023 at 5:29 PM, Johannah said:

. . . .

I feel bad for Carson. They are so obsessed with this being a boy and that god has control over that and encouraging him to pray for a brother. It’s effed up. What happens when it’s his fifth sister? And even if it is a boy, that’s a shit ton of expectation to put on an infant. 

It just burns me up how they put all this pressure on Carson to pray for a baby for them and for Lawson. ESPECIALLY if it truly isn't likely for them to get pregnant again and we know Tiffany has been having some issues too. Gah! This is why kids turn away from Christianity! If you teach them that praying to get what you want is what it is all about then when it doesn't happen, they become disillusioned and feel like it was their fault because they didn't pray hard enough, or the right way, or were good enough. Craptastic parenting!

[lumpentheologie]

16 hours ago, Sabine said:

And again, if these are the only jobs left for 'females' ....what should a young female do? Marry a bloke for a roof over ones head and a meal ticket? 

Where on earth is this coming from? I also live in Germany, where, as you mentioned, sex work has been legal for some time. People are not being forced into prostitution by the Job Centers here, nor have other jobs for women dried up because of it. We recently had the most powerful woman in the world as our Chancellor. This idea that sex work is going to be the only work for women has absolutely no basis in reality. 

Also, talking about “males” and “females” shows that the speaker subscribes to a biological essentialism that’s either patriarchal or transphobic in nature. If you mean “people with vaginas” for God’s sake just say that. If you mean “trans men and cis women” say that. There’s no reason not to except harmful ideology. 

And yes, there are strong feelings here. In the last year the person I thought was my husband has shared with me that she is actually a woman. So you’re personally insulting me and my wife with your language. Of course it’s your right to use whatever language you like, but it’s also my right to call you out on it. 

Edited May 17, 2023 by lumpentheologie

[CarrotCake]

Sex work has been legal for a long time in the Netherlands as well, there is even a union, and I never heard of any story where people (male of female) are being advised to take a job there. And there are many people who receive unemployement benefits so it is not like nobody is looking for a job.

It is not that hard to exclude certain industries from lists like that while still keeping them as a legal job.

 

[Nothing if not critical]

38 minutes ago, CarrotCake said:

Sex work has been legal for a long time in the Netherlands as well, there is even a union, and I never heard of any story where people (male of female) are being advised to take a job there. And there are many people who receive unemployement benefits so it is not like nobody is looking for a job.

It is not that hard to exclude certain industries from lists like that while still keeping them as a legal job.

 

Exactly. And even if there was some overzealous job centre employee (like in the UK example mentioned), I still think we can reliably assume that there would be a public outcry (again, like in the UK) and/or some sort of legal recourse.
Honestly, I love a good dystopia as much as the next person, but none of these scenarios is likely while we still have our constitution/basic law in place and feel obliged to honour basic human rights. And if by some unfortunate turn of events that should change, I'm pretty sure legalised sex work and surrogacy will be the least of our troubles...

[Melissa1977]

What I'be read (it may be wrong news) is that in Germany, legalising prostitution has increased the business. That few citizens do that, while illegal immigrants are the most workers (with no benefits, contracts or healthcare) and that being a legal business makes it easier for pimps. And that sex tourism has increased because the very low prizes of the prostitution services.

I think sometimes we are not thinking about what that "job" means. Basically, certains parts of the body are not designed to be "working" for hours. The pain and injures are going to happen for sure in parts of the body that are difficult to heal. It's not about doing it from time to time, it's hours doing that non stop. 

One can say that what it needed is regulation, few working hours and healthcare access. But is it possible in a business where the majority of workers are extremely vulnerable and can't say no? In a business where the majority of clients are men looking for cheap, and often agressive, sex?

[Nothing if not critical]

32 minutes ago, Melissa1977 said:

That few citizens do that, while illegal immigrants are the most workers (with no benefits, contracts or healthcare)

I’m not saying it always works in practice but that is exactly what legalisation is supposed to prevent. If you look at the laws protecting sex workers, they include all this, and pimps who don’t stick to those rules are absolutely acting illegally. The fact that the law isn’t getting properly enforced is another matter. And yes, if men prefer cheap illegal options that is a problem, and I don’t have an easy solution.

The thing is, I personally think prostitution is a terrible way to make a living, and I’m all in favour of every possible measure to protect people from exploitation. I just don’t see how criminalising the people who get exploited makes things better. Because no amount of prohibition has ever made prostitution go away.

And yes, there are people who want to be sex workers and don’t mind the job. I really, truly can’t fathom that myself but I feel it’s not for me to judge them.

[lumpentheologie]

I personally know sex workers, in both the US and in Germany, who are happy with that work. They feel that pleasing people sexually is a worthwhile skill and they like that they make a lot of money working very few hours. None of them work at brothels or for pimps so I can’t speak to that. But they only see a handful of clients per week, not multiple ones a day.

One I know in New York charges $700/hr for her services and owns a 2-bedroom apartment in Brooklyn with the money she earned that way. She has a college degree and still chooses this work. In Berlin the rate is less (as is the cost of living here) but still $200+/hr when you’re working on your own. If you speak good English and you’re young and pretty, it’s easy work to find in both places. I’ve spent most of my adult life in academia and I know many, many women in New York who financed their university and grad school educations this way. When university costs $20,000 a year or more and rent starts at $2000 a month, sex worker money starts looking pretty good. 

The difference is that in Germany, where it’s legal, sex workers have much more protection. If they’re assaulted, or if someone refuses to pay, there is recourse for that. In Germany they can’t be blackmailed if a client finds out their real name the way they can be in the US. And of course they aren’t risking fines and jail time while the clients go free. 

Probably most importantly, since it’s easy and legal to advertise their services in Germany, it’s easier to work without a pimp and manage your own business with just a smartphone. You can either take clients at home (safer with a roommate or partner there) or meet them at hotels they pay for. And because it’s such easy work to get, some Germans do it for unreported extra income, without registering as sex workers, and usually without telling most of the people in their lives. So it’s difficult to know what percentage of sex workers are German vs foreign. Perhaps legal and safer working conditions attract more sex workers than illegal and unsafer ones, but if women think that’s the best option for them, I don’t see that as a problem. What is important is that it’s a choice, and you can choose to do it or not, just as some women can choose to be a stay at home mother or not. 

Of course it is not perfect, as with any field there are good jobs and bad jobs, and most of the sex workers you see in windows in red-light districts here are migrants from poorer countries who are moved from city to city by their employers. They are the fast-food workers of sex work. It’s often unclear how coercive that kind of work is, and it definitely needs to be much better regulated. But legal sex work gives sex worker much more agency and control than illegal sex work. 

But it’s a big problem that so many under-regulated jobs for migrants are coercive and abusive, not just sex work. For people who could never imagine doing sex work it may seem significantly worse than other kinds of exploitation, but if you’re working without basic labor protections you’re usually selling your body and health in one way or another. I personally would rather have sex once a day for $100 than work long hours in a dangerous meatpacking factory for minimum wage or less. And I might feel even more like that if I had children to spend time with and take care of. But I personally find casual sex with strangers exciting to tolerable, even if they’re unattractive. Ymmv, but I’m not the only one.

A lot of women throughout history have felt that their sexual desirability is their most valuable asset, and I don’t think we should further limit their options by taking that asset away from them or making it more dangerous. Because we live in a patriarchy, men have more money and power, but being sexually desirable to men can also give a woman a lot of money and power if she has the support to control it. And since patriarchy is the world we live in for the foreseeable future, I think supporting the women (and other people) who choose to pursue sex work is a better choice than making their decisions for them. Even poor migrant women usually know better than moralistic lawmakers what their lives need, and we would do well to respect and support what agency they have over their lives. 
 

 

tl;dr: Women, especially poor women, have constrained choices under patriarchal capitalism. But women should decide how best to survive that for themselves and we shouldn’t constrain their choices further. Also sex work can be very lucrative. 

Edited May 18, 2023 by lumpentheologie

[CarrotCake]

5 hours ago, Melissa1977 said:

What I'be read (it may be wrong news) is that in Germany, legalising prostitution has increased the business. That few citizens do that, while illegal immigrants are the most workers (with no benefits, contracts or healthcare) and that being a legal business makes it easier for pimps. And that sex tourism has increased because the very low prizes of the prostitution services.

I think sometimes we are not thinking about what that "job" means. Basically, certains parts of the body are not designed to be "working" for hours. The pain and injures are going to happen for sure in parts of the body that are difficult to heal. It's not about doing it from time to time, it's hours doing that non stop. 

One can say that what it needed is regulation, few working hours and healthcare access. But is it possible in a business where the majority of workers are extremely vulnerable and can't say no? In a business where the majority of clients are men looking for cheap, and often agressive, sex?

I agree that there are definitely problems in the industry that are hard to fix.

But unemployed people being encouraged in by job agencies is not one of them.

[lumpentheologie]

I think we can all agree that just because a certain industry has people forced into slavery doing it, that doesn’t mean the industry itself is bad or we should make it illegal. It is the slavery that’s the problem.

There are a lot of enslaved people working in mines, for example. But no one wants to make mining illegal, in fact that would be a great way of making more enslaved miners. 

Sex work is the same thing. All we have to do is be really against slavery and enforce our laws against it. But purity culture has taught us that whores are chewed up pieces of gum, barely human. Even mainstream culture believes this. So we haven’t done much to enforce those laws. 

Edited May 18, 2023 by lumpentheologie

[Jackie3]

On 5/14/2023 at 4:59 PM, JermajestyDuggar said:

I’ve ranted before on FJ about rich people in the US using surrogates. People like Kim Kardashian, Khloe Kardashian, Paris Hilton, and Priyanka Chopra have all had children through surrogacy in the last few years because they can afford it. I would love to know what kind of situation they had with the surrogate. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they did take advantage of a person who may need the money and basically rented their body out for 9 months. 

Why are you infantilizing surrogates? They are adult women capable of making their own choices. Why do you assume you know better than they do? 

 

On 5/15/2023 at 9:55 AM, Nothing if not critical said:

On the other hand, if a woman genuinely wants to be a surrogate mother, I don't see a reason to not allow her to make that decision for herself. Yes, it's risky, but so are plenty of other jobs - no one is telling people not to become miners or firefighters because of the risks implied in those jobs. I personally wouldn't want to do it, and I wouldn't want to be a sex worker either. But telling those who want they can't do it seems infantilising to me.

 

Exactly! It's the same with sex workers.

Why would we (largely middle-class white ladies) decide that THEY can't earn a living that way?

If someone wants to earn a living as a sex worker, why would I step in to "protect" them from their choice? It's the height of infantilization. 

 

[nokidsmom]

On 5/15/2023 at 9:30 PM, browngrl said:

I don't. Erin was part of a thriving business and social media accounts. IMO Chad was the major reason these lucrative avenues were closed. Seeing how Bates Boutique has handled Carlin's health issues makes me think that Erin's health was not the major reason she left. Had Chad been able to accept Erin's financial success, he would be under considerably less stress. I realize he is fundie and bound by fundie ideas of money and marriage but both Carlin and Whitney's husbands were able to see that their wives endeavours were something worthwhile. 

 

On 5/16/2023 at 11:31 AM, browngrl said:

I'm not sure if he said the exact words but it was my impression watching the whole Erin/health/Carlin/Bates boutique saga. 

@browngrl I actually appreciate you pointing this out.  I hadn't followed the boutique saga very closely just got the general impression from other posts here there was/is bad blood around it.   Given the timing I thought Erin's leaving was due to her health issues and wasn't watching how Carlin's situation affected things at the boutique by contrast.   I know that Zach has always supported Whitney's work in whatever she wants to do.  

If indeed Chad was a major factor in Erin giving up her business ventures that were bringing in decent money (and the obvious boost to the family finances) he would not be the first fundie/fundie-ish husband doing this because of views around which partner brings in the money.   Also crazy because that guy looks darn tired and has for a long time.