Erin and Chad 10: Will they homeschool?

[0 kids n not countin]

2 hours ago, llucie said:

In Finley name reveal video they said Erin makes a short list of names she likes and from that Chad picks one. For example for Finley he had to choose between Harbor, Brighton, Finley, Avonlea, Ireland and Scotland.

None of these names are to my taste, if I had to choose one (or was forced to) I'd choose Ireland.🤔😅🤷🏽‍♀️

[llucie]

1 hour ago, 0 kids n not countin said:

None of these names are to my taste, if I had to choose one (or was forced to) I'd choose Ireland.🤔😅🤷🏽‍♀️

I think i would choose Ireland too. At least since Ireland Baldwin is pretty famous people are kinda used to hear it as a name and it wouldnt be so weird for the kid.

[JermajestyDuggar]

I swear there’s a kid in this world named Irelyn. Shit you not. 

[Keys]

11 hours ago, medimus said:

I just want to point out here, that while she wouldn't have to have hormones, it would be medically advised. It always is if you go through menopause early, otherwise your chances of osteoporosis are very very high. (unless there is some other reason not to have hormones). 

Hormones are needed when the ovaries are removed prior to when someone would go through menopause naturally. But if you’re only having a hysterectomy (just the uterus), there would be no need. 

1 hour ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I swear there’s a kid in this world named Irelyn. Shit you not. 

Yes, we know a 5-year-old girl named Irelynn!

[monkeyrocks71]

3 minutes ago, Keys said:

Hormones are needed when the ovaries are removed prior to when someone would go through menopause naturally. But if you’re only having a hysterectomy (just the uterus), there would be no need. 

Yes, we know a 5-year-old girl named Irelynn!

I know an Icelynn   

And there's a girl in my daughter's class (senior) named Ireland.

[rebeccawriter01]

39 minutes ago, Keys said:

Hormones are needed when the ovaries are removed prior to when someone would go through menopause naturally. But if you’re only having a hysterectomy (just the uterus), there would be no need. 

Yes, we know a 5-year-old girl named Irelynn!

Some of us do have ovaries removed with no hormones.

[Keys]

43 minutes ago, rebeccawriter01 said:

Some of us do have ovaries removed with no hormones.

Yes, and that’s an option too. Here the recommendation is to take hormones if you would otherwise be pre-menopausal (usually under age 50), since the pre-menopausal hormone levels have overall health benefits like protecting against cardiovascular disease and bone deterioration, among other things. But of course, it’s very nuanced and depends a lot on the individual situation.

[patsymae]

3 hours ago, llucie said:

I think i would choose Ireland too. At least since Ireland Baldwin is pretty famous people are kinda used to hear it as a name and it wouldnt be so weird for the kid.

Erin is the Irish name for Ireland (with variations in spelling), so there's that. If Erin even knows that.

[rebeccawriter01]

My point in quoting Erin was that she was going hard on the fixation that she would have to take hormones. I thought it was an interesting way for her to frame the subject of potentially needing a hysterectomy (with bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy). She was talking about it as though her entire life and focus was about her health and the issues with hormones compared to the fact that the woman simply wants to have more children. 

It stood out with her talk of "miracle" children after her surgeries, as a hysterectomy would mean the end with no chance of another "miracle" baby. Yet again these women have to shut down their emotions or desires. I wouldn't want her life or kids. She loves feeling special and she gets that treatment when pregnant. Her whole demeanor changes. 

While I am sure that her trip to the "specialist" was to help regulate her hormones and alleviate symptoms of pre-menopause, I think that they did question if it would possible to get pregnant again and probably sought to do so. To me it takes nothing away from all her God answers prayers talk and calling each child a miracle for them to say we sought out solutions and had God driving our steps. After all, God helps those who help themselves. 

 

[patsymae]

On 5/23/2023 at 8:58 PM, Jackie3 said:

Surrogacy may be something you'll never do. That's fine. But don't tell other women what to do with their bodies. That's acting a like a pro-lifer. My body, my choice.

Perhaps you are too wealthy to think of becoming  a surrogate. Why are you making choices for poor women? Why would you think you have that right? 

I've heard of surrogates who use the money to pay their way through college. How arrogant of another, probably wealthier woman to tell her that she can't.

 

 

The middle class are not idiots. They don't need the rich to "approve" something before they do it.

I'm middle class, and when I'm making a decision I don't look to rich folk in our town to see what they've decided.

I also don't think the rich or middle class should decide what poor women should do. Don't infantilize them. They may make choices that you have the luxury to refuse. That doesn't mean you can take those choices away from them. Rich ladies don't get to do that to poor ladies, I'm afraid.

 

I would love to know what the surrogate did with the money. Did she put herself through college? Put a downpayment on a house? Escape an abusive marriage?

Why would you take away her right to do those things? Because you know better?

Of course women have the right to do what they want with their own bodies, but as with other issues--sex work and relinquishing a child for adoption come to mind--it's more complicated than a simple equal transaction. When the overwhelming number of beneficiaries are people with money, and the overwhelming number of people who provide for their needs--often at great, and also often unappreciated or not understood at the time and unacknowledged by society--cost to their physical and mental health, there's an imbalance in the social system. "If it's so great, why don't wealthy women do it?" is not an unreasonable question, IMO. It's not like donating your hair.
For at least a decade research has shown that surrogacy has unintended consequences for the women who serve as surrogates, their children, and the children conceived by surrogacy, who as the first in that category are reaching adulthood are starting to speak out.
That doesn't mean it's all bad or everyone involved winds up unhappy or traumatized, but it does mean that it is an issue fraught with nuances and shouldn't be treated cavalierly.
  

[medimus]

12 hours ago, Keys said:

Hormones are needed when the ovaries are removed prior to when someone would go through menopause naturally. But if you’re only having a hysterectomy (just the uterus), there would be no need. 

Yep, I was thinking of a total hysterectomy with ovaries and all, sorry I should have made that clear. 

Irelynn as a name doesn't make me think of Ireland, it makes me think of ire, as in irate, which is just not something I would want to associate with a child. But each to their own.

Very few of the Bates grandchildren's names are to my taste, which is unsurprising given I have very little in common with the Bates kids apart from being roughly the same age as some of them. Allie Jane is one of my favourites but only if she had the full name Alison, I don't mind Hazel and Charlotte is nice.

[Jackie3]

On 6/11/2023 at 3:51 PM, patsymae said:

Of course women have the right to do what they want with their own bodies, but as with other issues--sex work and relinquishing a child for adoption come to mind--it's more complicated than a simple equal transaction. When the overwhelming number of beneficiaries are people with money, and the overwhelming number of people who provide for their needs--often at great, and also often unappreciated or not understood at the time and unacknowledged by society--cost to their physical and mental health, there's an imbalance in the social system. "If it's so great, why don't wealthy women do it?" is not an unreasonable question, IMO. It's not like donating your hair.
For at least a decade research has shown that surrogacy has unintended consequences for the women who serve as surrogates, their children, and the children conceived by surrogacy, who as the first in that category are reaching adulthood are starting to speak out.
That doesn't mean it's all bad or everyone involved winds up unhappy or traumatized, but it does mean that it is an issue fraught with nuances and shouldn't be treated cavalierly.
  

Well, I'm all about educating potential surrogates about the risks and potential problems. I'm not about taking away their choice.

I also don't believe in prohibiting women from relinquishing a child for adoption, even though that also sometimes involves differences in income too. That would be *really* bad for a child born to parents who can't care them. 

Again, I'm all about choice. Educate women but don't 'take away their choices. Because it's most wealthy people taking choices away from poor ones.

[CanadianMamam]

On 6/11/2023 at 9:19 AM, JermajestyDuggar said:

I like Anne of Green Gables too. I remember watching the series about a million times as a kid. Which means I like Avonlea too. However I know people would mispronounce it constantly. Plus they would misspell it too. I just know I would get so annoyed by people calling my kid Avon like the mlm. And I hate MLMs. So I just couldn’t handle that. 

I'm Canadian and just assume everyone can pronounce Avonlea. I would not name a baby that though, although I did lobby for Marilla. 

Edited June 14, 2023 by CanadianMamam

[clueliss]

The Paines have a “gender” reveal video scheduled for Saturday afternoon. Just as an

[JermajestyDuggar]

49 minutes ago, clueliss said:

The Paines have a “gender” reveal video scheduled for Saturday afternoon. Just as an

I hate that one sex would mean they are freaking out and over the moon like they are birthing the second coming of Jesus himself. And the other sex will be a let down. 

[imokit]

Lets be real here, if this infants genitals are dangling they'll be worse than the Websters are with Rhett.  It will be golden big boy and golden baby boy.  The girls will be middle children+++ expected to obey Carson as he's the eldest and a male, while fussing over and spoiling the youngest male.

[CanadianMamam]

I saw the tiny clip of the gender reveal that they posted in their Q&A and Carson immediately leaps in the air. So I am guessing boy. 

4 hours ago, imokit said:

Lets be real here, if this infants genitals are dangling they'll be worse than the Websters are with Rhett.  It will be golden big boy and golden baby boy.  The girls will be middle children+++ expected to obey Carson as he's the eldest and a male, while fussing over and spoiling the youngest male.

The only reason I want the Paines to have a boy is another girl would mean 5 girls in one room while Carson gets his own. 

[JermajestyDuggar]

8 minutes ago, CanadianMamam said:

I saw the tiny clip of the gender reveal that they posted in their Q&A and Carson immediately leaps in the air. So I am guessing boy. 

The only reason I want the Paines to have a boy is another girl would mean 5 girls in one room while Carson gets his own. 

Good old gender roles and stereotypes that run rampant in fundies. Of course it would make more sense to put a kid in with Carson no matter the sex. And not in the closet! But a bunk bed for him and a sister to share. Getting your own room in a house with 6 kids and 3 bedrooms is ridiculous. Just because you have a penis and everyone else has a vagina.

[CanadianMamam]

28 minutes ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

Good old gender roles and stereotypes that run rampant in fundies. Of course it would make more sense to put a kid in with Carson no matter the sex. And not in the closet! But a bunk bed for him and a sister to share. Getting your own room in a house with 6 kids and 3 bedrooms is ridiculous. Just because you have a penis and everyone else has a vagina.

I mean at their current ages, sure. But it is unsustainable and where I am, if you were investigated by CPS it is one of the first things they would check, if opposite gendered siblings have their own room. 

The biggest issue is that Chad and Erin have (about to be) 6 kids in a 3 bedroom house and they have way more girls and they take the biggest room for themselves. 

Edited June 16, 2023 by CanadianMamam

[JermajestyDuggar]

4 minutes ago, CanadianMamam said:

I mean at their current ages, sure. But it is unsustainable and where I am, if you were investigated by CPS it is one of the first things they would check, if opposite gendered siblings have their own room. 

The biggest issue is that Chad and Erin have (about to be) 6 kids in a 3 bedroom house and they have way more girls and they take the biggest room for themselves. 

I don’t think it’s a big deal for opposite sex siblings to share a room anymore than same sex. Sharing rooms sucks full stop. I hated sharing with my sister. I just imagine sharing with four other sisters would be hell.

[imokit]

4 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I don’t think it’s a big deal for opposite sex siblings to share a room anymore than same sex. Sharing rooms sucks full stop. I hated sharing with my sister. I just imagine sharing with four other sisters would be hell.

Not a big deal as children.  Once puberty hits its a big deal.  A boy getting their morning wood in shared room is more embarrassing if your sister sees than a brother.  Not because there's anything wrong with it but because thats how teens and preteens think.

Likewise a teen girl who's going through enough issues with hormones and periods doesn't want their brother to know.

I'm not saying its right, but that even mainstream teens care about opposite sex siblings sharing a room with them.  It adds extra pain to the sharing room thing.

[JermajestyDuggar]

5 minutes ago, imokit said:

Not a big deal as children.  Once puberty hits its a big deal.  A boy getting their morning wood in shared room is more embarrassing if your sister sees than a brother.  Not because there's anything wrong with it but because thats how teens and preteens think.

Likewise a teen girl who's going through enough issues with hormones and periods doesn't want their brother to know.

I'm not saying its right, but that even mainstream teens care about opposite sex siblings sharing a room with them.  It adds extra pain to the sharing room thing.

It does, but Erin has time before the teenage years. So it just seems crazy for Carson to get his own room while 5 girls must squeeze into another room just based on their sexes. If this next baby is a girl, they need to stick a bunk bed in his room and put one of the older girls in there with him. 

[Hazelbunny]

If the baby is as much of a "miracle" as they say, they should be over the moon whatever the sex!! 

[CanadianMamam]

1 hour ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

It does, but Erin has time before the teenage years. So it just seems crazy for Carson to get his own room while 5 girls must squeeze into another room just based on their sexes. If this next baby is a girl, they need to stick a bunk bed in his room and put one of the older girls in there with him. 

So Finley is still in his closet and will be until the baby is born and then "the baby gets Finnie's crib and Finnie gets her bed" per one of the little girls. So, I think regardless of the sex, the baby will be with Carson for a couple of years, but yeah their arrangement needs to change. 

[backyard sylph]

Who used to say children stacked like cord wood?