Duggars by the Dozen 43: One in Jail, Another Made Bail, and a Senate Election Fail

[Meggo]

9 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

All you need is sperm.😆

Anyone else read that to the tune of "all you need is love" by the Beatles? 

Just me? 

[Italiangirl]

I have found this bingo card on Tumblr and have to say I love it 🤣

Can you imagine if even just two cards come true?

[imokit]

I have Jill down as next in line for a pregnancy announcement (along with potentially Abby or Lauren who also have over 1s).  Derrick's finished uni, one kid is in school, the other will be starting school around or before a 3rd baby is born and she's had a recent miscarriage (indicating that baby number 3 is being considered).

She could easily have twins.  And wouldn't that blow everyone's minds if it did.  The disgraced one being blessed with twins.

I vote that one and Kendra getting high/Lauren being a source for one of the second options.

 

[browngrl]

If any of the Duggar women who have a social media presence (ie Jessa, Jill, Jinger and Jana) want to keep monetizing their social media then they are going to have to work at it. Without the publicity machine of the show, they will need to do what every other "influencer" does  eg  make the time and effort to come up with filming ideas, edit well, be active on social media to engage their audience, market their own merchandise etc. IMO it's a lot of work and will take a toll on personal/family life so I'm not sure if they will be able to keep it up.

[front hugs > duggs]

I definitely don't foresee Joe getting a personality, so we can all leave that one untouched.

[SorenaJ]

I want goth Jennifer! 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

3 hours ago, Bobology said:

Regarding Derick's statement about Jim Bob being defensive and verbally abusive when confronted, or something similar to that: There was an episode of 19 KAC following an ice storm in their area which resulted in a lot of tree damage on their property. I remember they showed JB skulking around in the house and thinking and probably pontificating, and Michelle seemed a bit stifled and nervous (that's my memory, she could have been normal for her.) Michelle spoke to the audience (camera) about how important it was for the children to see that JB was handling this calmly and not freaking out about it with anger (again... my memory, can't remember exact wording) and I've thought since that moment that not only was JB controlling everyone for his personal gain as I already suspected, but he was also an angry person that  could be feared in the home. It was weird. As I recall, the noise level in the usually-noisy TTH was quite low during those scenes and I assumed the kids realized he could blow at any moment. 

I like that Derick came right out and said that stuff about JB.

JB has admitted in the past he struggles with anger.   So the genius went and had 19 kids so he could live in chaos...sounds perfect for someone with anger management issues.

[SassyPants]

7 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

JB has admitted in the past he struggles with anger.   So the genius went and had 19 kids so he could live in chaos...sounds perfect for someone with anger management issues.

Total lack of self awareness.

[EmCatlyn]

3 hours ago, Meggo said:

Anyone else read that to the tune of "all you need is love" by the Beatles? 

Just me? 

Nope.  I wrote it with the tune in my head. 🎶 “All you need is sperm” 😉  Your power of reading is amazing.

[BoPeep]

So was Ben’s “rudeness” lecture towards Derrick, for him calling out Jim Bob?  I guess that was my line of thought…. And if that is indeed his attack on Derrick calling out JB…I have issues.  Cause the “tattling one” is the one who Josh was under the covers with and who woke up, smacked him (?), and told the parents.  She’s the one with the memories.  Memories that *could* cause her to struggle with intimacy within her marriage.  Memories that she lives with regularly.  Memories that *could* cause flashbacks.  And we don’t know the extent of what those memories consist of.  But they would be something she would’ve shared with her husband…and something that could cause her husband to get all papa bear about!  And the sister that things happened to while she slept…there aren’t those kinds of memories plaguing her nor her marriage.  She might have trauma from realizing that bad things happened to her, but not the trauma of KNOWING EXACTLY what happened to her.  Thus her husband wouldn’t feel the need to be so papa bear against her dad/family/brother!  So in other words, Ben needs to shut up!  

Also…anyone else wonder if the tattling one got in trouble for hitting her brother and then “tattling” on him?  Because growing up in a similar-ish background, I would bet money that SHE had to apologize to josh AND make up for her hitting and tattling!!!!!  I am certain that SHE GOT IN TROUBLE…because she defended herself from sexual abuse.  Sigh.  
 

 

[St.Clara]

20 hours ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

 

Thank you. The first comment is spot-on:

"Imagine being so deluded that you put out a stronger statement condemning “rudeness” than possessing and receiving CSAM"

[saywhat7]

I do not post much but Ben can't read the room. That couple really thinks they are special.

[Vivi_music]

5 hours ago, Italiangirl said:

I have found this bingo card on Tumblr and have to say I love it 🤣

Can you imagine if even just two cards come true?

Ugh.

It's sad that ''JB and Michelle apologise to their daughters for not protecting them'' is seen as ludicrous and unrealistic. 😢

[Italiangirl]

I decided I want Jill as the first to grand twins and Jb having an affair with JRod the last would make my year! 

[St.Clara]

3 hours ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

JB has admitted in the past he struggles with anger.   So the genius went and had 19 kids so he could live in chaos...sounds perfect for someone with anger management issues.

Actually, I do think that there is a connection here. I think that JB´s so-called „struggles with anger“ are exactly the reason for why JB and Michelle have so many kids.

Let me explain. I think that an important reason for why Michelle originally married JB was that she knew she was „out of his league“ and hoped that he would treat her even better because of that. (Many attractive young women with low self esteem think that way, it never works out.) JB was afraid to lose her but instead of treating her well he tried to make her feel less than so she would stay with him. His fear aggravated his anger issues, and he acted out. I think that Michelle might have considered leaving him then which he felt and made matters worse. I think that he did scary things that would have given her the right to take legal action if she had chosen to. I suppose that both were afraid that things might further escalate, that Michelle was scared of what he might do if she left him and that JB wanted her scared.

Instead of facing and addressing those issues they both decided to sweep them under the rug, to reward the abuser for his abusive behaviour and to pretend that all this was God´s will. (Sounds familiar? Well, that was the first time they did it – but not the last.)

The quiverfull lifestyle made sure that Michelle was always either pregnant or had a newborn or both which means that it would have been very, very difficult for her to leave JB, for merely practical reasons. With every child it became more difficult. That is why he might have acted out a bit less because he felt safer. Besides, their whole lifestyle after turning fundamentalist revolved around JB as the leader which meant things that might have made JB angry were not done, quite simply. On the other hand, things that made JB happy were done whenever he wanted. That vexatious issue with needing consent was removed once and for all. (You know what I mean.) The money they had was spent on JB and his ambitions while their children went hungry.

When dealing with a difficult situation as young adults JB and M made the choice to reward, to protect and to justify the perpetrator. At the time, it seemed probably the easiest way out, none of them were willing to face the music or to perceive that their decision was selfish to the highest degree.

What they underestimated, though, is the persistence with which life will go after you if you have decided to answer one of its questions in a certain way. „Do you still think that when criminal things happen in your family it is the best thing is to sweep them under the rug, to reward the abuser for his abusive behaviour and to pretend that all this was God´s will? - And now, do you still think that?...Are you sure you think that? … And after what has happened now, do you still sustain this conviction?“ Those two may refuse to admit to the original sin they have committed as a young couple until their dying day.

Life will not stop asking, though. Things are getting worse and worse for them. And that is how it should be.

[Cam]

1 hour ago, St.Clara said:

Thank you. The first comment is spot-on:

"Imagine being so deluded that you put out a stronger statement condemning “rudeness” than possessing and receiving CSAM"

Oh to the Em to the Gee. 
Ben Seewald has quite the distorted, delusional thinking.

[BoPeep]

42 minutes ago, St.Clara said:

The money they had was spent on JB and his ambitions while their children went hungry.

This infuriates me!  He spent $250k of their own money for an election run…while buying dented cans and only spending $1000/month on food.  (Per that quiverfull article linked a page or so back.)  Back then, with just my husband and I, we budgeted ~$400 a month AND ate out some.  We didn’t have a family of 15!  And we didn’t eat high end, either!!  
 

So an election campaign was more important than his own kids….

[St.Clara]

I hope this has not been posted before. (I am not able to keep up with the various threads.) I think it is very well worth watching.

ETA: A body language analyst analyzes JB´s body language specifically in light of his son´s conviction. His partner who comes from a fundamentalist family has collected some clips from the show, 1) JB and M describing how they met, 2) JB talking to Jill on her wedding day, 3) Jessa and Ben courting, including the famous double date with JB and M on the golf course and 4) the interview with Megan Kelly. The video is 58 min, so it is difficult to sum up but what impressed me is the degree in which he succeeds in linking his analysis of JB to what we know about Josh.

The same guy made a video about Josh, I put it in spoilers:

Spoiler

 

I think you should be able to view that in the US. I find it very interesting that the video about JB is blocked for the US. Obviously, it is because Discovery Communications claimed it.

From the comments:

"The fact that you are more outraged for those girls than their own parents ever were is very telling. Would you and Megan be willing to watch the Megyn Kelly interview that she did with Jessa and Jill to observe their body language as opposed to the words their dad made them say pls? I'd be very interested in y'alls take on it as well! Ty!"

 

"This was so clearly hard to film. I feel like most people talking about the Duggar trial/situation are not as outraged as they should be, and it was honestly such a relief to see how upset you two were. There is no doubt in my mind that Josh is guilty, and Jim is at LEAST guilty by association. Theyre monsters. The mom is a monster, and those little girls deserved better protection, better family. Any minors remaining in the Duggar family should be taken away from them."

Edited December 16, 2021 by St.Clara

[moriah]

1 hour ago, St.Clara said:

Thank you. The first comment is spot-on:

"Imagine being so deluded that you put out a stronger statement condemning “rudeness” than possessing and receiving CSAM"

I can't seem to find the post even though I found the account that shared it -- so I think he either got ratioed and made them private/friends only, or deleted them after people were like "Seriously? Your family is having a messy Sin Accusation Olympics, and the best one you can come up with is rudeness?  Maybe the wiser thing is to just hold your tongue."

[HerNameIsBuffy]

8 minutes ago, St.Clara said:

I hope this has not been posted before. (I am not able to keep up with the various threads.) I think it is very well worth watching.

 

We have a rule about posting briefly about what a video contains so people know what they're clicking on.  

Please add a line or two explaining or I'll have to hide it.  And FYI to others this video is not viewable in the US.

[St.Clara]

34 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

We have a rule about posting briefly about what a video contains so people know what they're clicking on.  

Please add a line or two explaining or I'll have to hide it.  And FYI to others this video is not viewable in the US.

Thank you for the information. I am sorry that the video is not viewable in the US. I have added a few sentences about the content.

[Mama Mia]

I’m not seeing what you guys are seeing in Ben’s post. The first line is about rudeness not being the correct response to “political correctness” , the answer is love and to rebuke sternly but politely if needed, etc.etc….

But where was there anything that could remotely fall under the category of “political correctness” in anything to do with this particular family chaos? Political Correctness - to me- would seem to be about views around abortion, or sexual orientation or another social issue — but none of those things are involved here. If he was calling out Derrick, as people assume — then he’s also saying JB should be ‘rebuked sternly’ for his actions - just maybe not on Facebook public comments. Or the other option of thinking it’s about people being mean to Jana- does he then think the charge was justified? And again, there’s nothing politically correct or incorrect about a kid going wandering. It just doesn’t apply.
 

I don’t know - the wording just doesn’t seem to fit the context of current drama. I think probably he was speechifying about someone taking his recent anti-bi video and using it as justification to scream slurs or something. But then saw all the comments and deleted it. 
 

I could see him and Derrick going at it in a war of words - things have to be just incredibly tense with everyone right now, and devolving into various factions —- but this wording just doesn’t make sense.

Also I’m betting Joy is really glad her husband just builds houses.

 

Edited December 16, 2021 by Mama Mia

[patsymae]

9 hours ago, Cam said:

I’m so sick of their Loving God insisting that people suffer! Wtf

I mean, isn’t that line of thinking how people rationalize being in abusive relationships? “Well, my boyfriend/husband loves me so it’s gonna hurt sometimes.” 

 

well, its definitely how others--particularly white men in the clergy--rationalize OTHER PEOPLE being abused. 

3 hours ago, BoPeep said:

So was Ben’s “rudeness” lecture towards Derrick, for him calling out Jim Bob?  I guess that was my line of thought…. And if that is indeed his attack on Derrick calling out JB…I have issues.  Cause the “tattling one” is the one who Josh was under the covers with and who woke up, smacked him (?), and told the parents.  She’s the one with the memories.  Memories that *could* cause her to struggle with intimacy within her marriage.  Memories that she lives with regularly.  Memories that *could* cause flashbacks.  And we don’t know the extent of what those memories consist of.  But they would be something she would’ve shared with her husband…and something that could cause her husband to get all papa bear about!  And the sister that things happened to while she slept…there aren’t those kinds of memories plaguing her nor her marriage.  She might have trauma from realizing that bad things happened to her, but not the trauma of KNOWING EXACTLY what happened to her.  Thus her husband wouldn’t feel the need to be so papa bear against her dad/family/brother!  So in other words, Ben needs to shut up!  

Also…anyone else wonder if the tattling one got in trouble for hitting her brother and then “tattling” on him?  Because growing up in a similar-ish background, I would bet money that SHE had to apologize to josh AND make up for her hitting and tattling!!!!!  I am certain that SHE GOT IN TROUBLE…because she defended herself from sexual abuse.  Sigh.  
 

 

She probably had to give Josh her favorite possession

21 hours ago, karenb4729 said:

I totally agree that Derrick likes a "cause".  I can totally see him working as a prosecutor working child abuse cases.  It aligns with what Jill has experienced and the mental health issues that may have plagued her because of what happened.  Many people get invested in doing work for a cause that is personal to them.  He would be passionate about the subject.  I do feel that he may turn out to be a good lawyer.

Jeremy does a much better job of writing bible quotes than Ben.  Jeremy's at least made more sense and was written more clearly.  

Maybe Ben would have expressed himself better in rap

[Bobology]

57 minutes ago, patsymae said:

Maybe Ben would have expressed himself better in rap

Ha ha, this is great!

I'm wondering if Ben is stretching his wings as a pastor of a precious church... maybe the lead pastor has asked him to start posting mini-sermons. But with these people there is no way of knowing what they are alluding to save for Derick's recent straight-forward post about JB.

[EmCatlyn]

7 hours ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

JB has admitted in the past he struggles with anger.   So the genius went and had 19 kids so he could live in chaos...sounds perfect for someone with anger management issues.

According to Justin of the Podcast, the men sort of are proud of having problems with anger and lust because it means Satan is tempting them, they are important, etc.

He told of men confessing to the congregation the man would stand up the wife standing behind him (but silent) while he admitted to sins like losing self control (which may have meant he was beating his wife or kids and got carried away) or lust/watching porn (which implied the wife had not been successful at meeting his needs) etc.

I can only say that, in that context, JB’s admission of having a temper is pretty scary.