2020 Election Results And Post-Election Day Discussion Part 2

[onekidanddone]

22 minutes ago, Maggie Mae said:

Everytime I use the thank you button now, I see a sperm. So thanks for that and the post. 

I didn’t see a sperm until now 

[HerNameIsBuffy]

1 minute ago, onekidanddone said:

I didn’t see a sperm until now 

Then my work here is done.

I don't really care about the results of the election...just spreading awareness of flower proffering sperm.  

[fraurosena]

2 minutes ago, HerNameIsBuffy said:

That's an interesting observation and I think that's the case in a lot of instances.  Joe reminds me of my grandpa and uncles...smiling, gift of gab, compassionate, gets riled up about injustice.  Relatable.  

But for me Hillary's demeanor isn't off putting at all.  I grew up a very few miles from where Hilary was raised.  Had I not gone to boarding school I'd have attended the same high school she did.  In fact my ex-MIL would have gone there at the same time as Hilary had she not gone to parochial school.  If you all ever met me in person you'd know I'm right at home with aloof and somewhat terse women just trying to get shit done  

Just for the record whatever feelings I harbor about her I did want her to win last time and absolutely think she'd have been better than Trump.  Just needed to clarify that - my personal whatever and nuanced feelings on issues go out the window where he's concerned.

Ah, don't get me wrong, I try to keep my personal likes and dislikes out of my voting decisions and vote for the people whose ideals best align with mine. If I were an American voter, I'd have gladly voted for Hillary, no matter what I think of her perceived personality. I hate judging people period, but I hate judging them from afar even more. I don't know Hillary personally. I only know what I get to see in the media. And we all know how that can be skewed any which way they like. For example,  what I see of Hillary in video coverage doesn't appeal to me, but I like her humorous twitter personality very much. If she had only shown more of that side of her while she was campaigning... 

[Destiny]

6 minutes ago, clueliss said:

Hold off on celebrating Wisconsin - guess who requested a recount. (which explains why ABC News has yet to change WI)

Last time's recount netted like 115 votes or something. I'm not terribly worried about the recount. 

[TuringMachine]

Fox and ABC have also called Wisconsin for Biden now

[HerNameIsBuffy]

FML - Fair Tax was defeated in Illinois.

It would have raised taxes on the top 3% and lowered them slightly for the rest of us and it lost 55% - 45%.

As someone who last year struggled to pay about 10x the amount in Federal taxes as our "billionaire" president I'm not happy.

Don't get me wrong, I am no longer angry about paying more than minimal taxes, but I want people like my old bosses who paid $31K for 4 tickets to some Notre Dame football game once to pay their fair share, too.  And I would love it if they actually did some good with our money rather than bleeding it out to cronyism, ghost payroll, and graft.   That would be super nice, but in Illinois it's way too much to ask.

But the millionaires and billionaires in Illinois are happy today and isn't that what really matters?

[fraurosena]

He's not very good at this, is he?

 

Edited November 4, 2020 by fraurosena

[Botkinetti]

I think his tweets are going to get more deranged as the day and week go on.

[clueliss]

3 minutes ago, TuringMachine said:

Fox and ABC have also called Wisconsin for Biden now

Yes they have re ABC (who still has AZ as gray)
Also 1 of the 4 Maine electors has gone red.

[HerNameIsBuffy]

5 minutes ago, fraurosena said:

Ah, don't get me wrong, I try to keep my personal likes and dislikes out of my voting decisions and vote for the people whose ideals best align with mine. If I were an American voter, I'd have gladly voted for Hillary, no matter what I think of her perceived personality. I hate judging people period, but I hate judging them from afar even more. I don't know Hillary personally. I only know what I get to see in the media. And we all know how that can be skewed any which way they like. For example,  what I see of Hillary in video coverage doesn't appeal to me, but I like her humorous twitter personality very much. If she had only shown more of that side of her while she was campaigning... 

It's definitely a conversation for another day but a lot of women have issues with her not due to personality, but her treatment of her husband's victims over the years.

And while the focus on her emails was absolute bullshit from a political standpoint, as an IT professional I wondered what the hell she was thinking!  

Still better than Trump.

I think a lot of people hated her for her demeanor, but some of us do have substantial reasons.

[Destiny]

Just now, Botkinetti said:

I think his tweets are going to get more deranged as the day and week go on.

Well, that's something for the wine dealers of the US to look forward to at least. ?

[Maggie Mae]

"No Fair! You stole the election by counting ballots! If it's illegal to count cards in my casino, why are they allowed to count ballots???" 

[formergothardite]

18 minutes ago, fraurosena said:

but you've got to give it to him, he has the ability to make himself seem relatable. I think that is why a lot of Trumpers vote for him. They are (in some cases wilfully) blind to who he really is, because they believe he is one of them. That is Trump's greatest asset, and he's played it incredibly well. 

He does have a gift for making people think they have been heard. He can make them feel like he relates to them and understands them. Trump is really amazing at finding out what people want and need to hear and then telling them that. No other politician in my lifetime has really had the cult appeal that Trump does, not even the often worshipped Reagan.  I think one of the things we can learn from Trump is there are huge amounts of people who feel very forgotten by politicians and want people they can relate to. In my town there are people whose parents and grandparents and great-grandparents all turned 18 and got a job at a local mill and many of them worked their way up into management. Now, in a fairly short amount of time, there are no mills to work at and you can't get a job and just work your way up to a higher position without first trying to figure out how to pay for college. People who would actually make good managers are often shut out because they do poorly in college. People are frustrated and angry at how the world has changed.  And Trump tells them he understand this, even though he doesn't. He offers them the promise of life returning to how it was and they cling to that hope fiercely.

Just now, HerNameIsBuffy said:

but a lot of women have issues with her not due to personality, but her treatment of her husband's victims over the years.

Yep, yep, yep.  I do wonder if this is a lot of the reason Trump got women's votes in 2016 but didn't get as many this time. Hillary was a very problematic candidate and it wasn't all sexism. 

 

 

[Jinder Roles]

36 minutes ago, Kelsey said:

If Trump loses, can you imagine what his "concession speech" would be? Just a bunch of whining and talk about how he is the best there is and the best there ever was, and the best there ever will be!

Honestly, it’s a miracle if he does concede. 

[TuringMachine]

From the NYT

[Snarkasarus Rex]

Eh, it’s possible Biden takes PA, but dang, that’s going to be a heavy lift. 

[FloraKitty35]

There are still plenty of ballots to count in PA (coincidentally they were most from Philadelphia County, Allegheny County (Pittsburgh), & Montgomery County (which is adjacent to Philly). These are the amongst the most heavily populated areas in Pennsylvania.  

[GreyhoundFan]

1 hour ago, formergothardite said:

Oh I don't think they even like each other as people. I also think they would have probably gotten divorced if he hadn't become president. I wouldn't be shocked if she leaves the moment she learns he has lost the election for good. 

That's okay, we don't like them (Dumpy and Melania) as people either.☺️

 

1 hour ago, Maggie Mae said:

I heard a few people say that it was a choice between fascism and socialism, and they "didn't know what to do." no amount of explaining Biden's policies really works when people don't care that much. It's easier to get people excited when you just have to get them to chant a few buzz words, VS trying to talk about zoning, political structure, corporate taxes, election integrity and so on. Way easier to "Make America Great" and not think too much about what you are saying or how.

He has to pay for the recount, because it's not within the threshold for the autorecount. 3 million dollars, put it on his tab. They should refuse him, his credit isn't great. 

That's one thing that Rs, especially the toxic orange megacolon, are good at doing -- picking a short phrase to tag their opponent and just keep hammering it home.

15 minutes ago, Destiny said:

Well, that's something for the wine dealers of the US to look forward to at least. ?

I have an acquaintance who sells wine in Napa Valley. She told me that they've had an insane increase in sales. Sales were already high, likely due to the pandemic, but have gone through the roof in the last couple of weeks. She said that she sold her highest amount ever this Monday.

[SassyPants]

40 minutes ago, fraurosena said:

Maybe it's not so much likability as it is being relatable. The candidate has to make you feel that they are one of you, that they understand you, that they are part of your group with the same goals and ideals. 

We can hate Trump with a passion, but you've got to give it to him, he has the ability to make himself seem relatable. I think that is why a lot of Trumpers vote for him. They are (in some cases wilfully) blind to who he really is, because they believe he is one of them. That is Trump's greatest asset, and he's played it incredibly well. 

I wanted Hillary to become president. I rooted for her. But, honestly, despite her undoubted capabilities, I didn't relate to her at all. She seemed too aloof, too arrogant, too rehearsed and insincere. It's my guess she wasn't relatable to a large part of the voters. They didn't feel like she was one of them, and opted out of voting, or voted for Trump instead. 

See, I don’t see your average, uneducated white guy relating to or buying Trump’s act. Could 50% of American really be blind to his obvious BS act?  I know people say that he has charisma, I don’t see it all. To me, his personality is as offensive and odd as Pense’s. To me they both seem socially awkward and inept. They both send out major creeper vibes-

[Howl]

1 minute ago, SassyPants said:

To me, his personality is as offensive and odd as Pense’s

His offensive personality IS the draw.  Pence is a cipher to me, and he likes it that way.  That's how he was able to remain on the ticket. 

[meep]

Think about how many people you've known in your life who have fallen for scams, happily and enthusiastically dated creepy men/women, had good friends that sounded off alarm bells, etc. These are the people who ride hard for trump. They don't have those red alerts going on in their brains for whatever reason. 

[Destiny]

So he wants the count stopped in MI and PA so much that he's going to file a lawsuit to get it done, but he wants a recount in WI. So law. Much order. Wow. 

[JoyfulSel]

Just now, Destiny said:

So he wants the count stopped in MI and PA so much that he's going to file a lawsuit to get it done, but he wants a recount in WI. So law. Much order. Wow. 

And wants to continue counting in Nevada and Arizona so he can catch up! What a toolbag.

[Maggie Mae]

7 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

See, I don’t see your average, uneducated white guy relating to or buying Trump’s act.

The average, uneducated, white guys in my area are exactly what Trump is. They don't particularly appear to like women. They are loud, obnoxious, and show off stupid possessions. The trashier something is - lifted, loud trucks, truck nuts, pictures of cartoons peeing on this, naked women on mudflaps, camouflage anything, blatant racism - the more they like it. They will argue and get violent if you mention how violent men are. They will shout at women about how much they respect women.  If they had more money and were Trump's age, they would absolutely think that being able to pay someone to go to school for them and decorate with gold plated everything is the height of sophistication. 

[Kelsey]

I hate the truck nuts. Wtf would anyone want them for?