Pence 2: Couch Surfing With Mother

[AlmostSavedAtTacoBell]

On 10/21/2022 at 6:56 AM, GreyhoundFan said:

 

Did he clear it with Mother first? 

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Yeah, I won’t waste time on this book, even if it were free. 

 

[Howl]

Pence on his reputational rehab tour.  SRSLY, f**k that guy.

I'm wondering, if FOX and Fiends/GOP truly turn their backs on Trump, if Pence will become a wee bit more outspoken with each turn of the screw against Trump.  Trump is due to announce his 2024 candidacy tomorrow, but it will be seen if and when he actually formally files.  This will be determined by how successfully he can manage his fundraising grift -- it really is all about how much money he can bring in that can go directly into his pocket.  If he formally files for candidacy, an entire different set of rules governs his fund raising and how that money can be used. 

As the GOP reflects on how badly they screwed up the midterms,  will they abandon the "Stolen Elections!" narrative in favor of something else?  If Don "They Stole My Election" Trump is frozen out by the GOP, they need to change things up for Mr. New Guy (pretty sure it's DeSantis, but you never know) and maybe abandon the "Stolen Elections! narrative, because it's obvious some of these wingnuts are way to extreme even for right-leaning citizens. 

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[Dandruff]

11 hours ago, GreyhoundFan said:

 

That, plus the charisma of a grape.

Imagine Trump, DeSantis, and Pence debating each other as presidential candidates.  Despite a massive grossness factor, I think I'd watch.

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Good for Jake. Pence needs to be fact checked. 

 

[AlmostSavedAtTacoBell]

7 hours ago, GreyhoundFan said:

Good for Jake. Pence needs to be fact checked. 

 

Jake, I need to use one of my lifelines….

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[AlmostSavedAtTacoBell]

On 11/17/2022 at 7:05 PM, GreyhoundFan said:

 

This is what has perplexed me while Trump was in office. I know the Trumpanzees were pretty vocal when he was in office but the R’s would have, in my view, been better off if Trump had been removed from office after the first Impeachment and Mother’s Special Boy become POTUS. He’s weak enough to be able to he completely manipulated but he’s politically savvy enough to get things done and appeal to the Never-Trumpers. I actually feared that was the big R plan. As bad as Trump was and is, he had no idea how to work the political angle but Pence did know how to finesse and get back door deals. Trump is a giant toddler stomping around making a temper tantrum show whereas Pence is a slippery eel able to slide around quietly and undetected. I actually think if the Rs had removed Trump from office they would be closer to their Gilead dream right now. Trump only cares about Trump but Pence is a zealot who wants to control women, gays, and POC. I think the evangelicals would have been on board faster than they could say “We’ve always been at war with East Asia” so it would just be a matter of getting the cult of Trump on board. Some of them could be handled from the pulpit; others would need Fox/OANN/ social media to convince them. I can’t imagine there weren’t ways to get that done. All in all it makes me wonder why when the chance to have Pence slide into the role the R powers that be still backed Trump. I know we can come up with some very plausible explanations and none of them are good or above-board. 

[Xan]

3 hours ago, AlmostSavedAtTacoBell said:

This is what has perplexed me while Trump was in office. I know the Trumpanzees were pretty vocal when he was in office but the R’s would have, in my view, been better off if Trump had been removed from office after the first Impeachment and Mother’s Special Boy become POTUS.

I think they'd have major trouble getting Trump to agree to that.  Even if they floated the idea (and I agree that it would have suited their purposes), Trump would have refused and threatened any and all involved.  I'm sure he would have gotten some monies withheld and probably has a fair amount of blackmail material.  They can't get rid of Donny.  That's why they're waiting on the law to take him down.

[AlmostSavedAtTacoBell]

59 minutes ago, Xan said:

I think they'd have major trouble getting Trump to agree to that.  Even if they floated the idea (and I agree that it would have suited their purposes), Trump would have refused and threatened any and all involved.  I'm sure he would have gotten some monies withheld and probably has a fair amount of blackmail material.  They can't get rid of Donny.  That's why they're waiting on the law to take him down.

In the Impeachment/remove from office they wouldn’t need Trump to agree. It’s why I suspect as you that they keep holding on to him because of some kind of money situation or that he has some serious information that would rock the R party so badly it would never recover. 

[GreyhoundFan]

I agree:

 

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[AlmostSavedAtTacoBell]

On 11/30/2022 at 2:25 PM, GreyhoundFan said:

 

Democrats love him- as a punchline. 

[GreyhoundFan]

Of course he won’t speak out  

 

[GreyhoundFan]

So true:

 

[Alisamer]

On 11/20/2022 at 6:18 PM, AlmostSavedAtTacoBell said:

In the Impeachment/remove from office they wouldn’t need Trump to agree. It’s why I suspect as you that they keep holding on to him because of some kind of money situation or that he has some serious information that would rock the R party so badly it would never recover. 

I know this is old, but I find myself wondering at this point what could Trump (or anyone) have on the Republican party that they think they couldn't come back from. Because it seems there literally is no low too low for Republicans. Anything you can think of, one of them has probably done it and managed to still get votes. Abortion? They've paid for them. Nazis? They've got them. Underage sex shenanigans? They've got the venmo receipts. Domestic violence? Yep. Corruption? Out the wazoo. Pence looks nice and Christian by comparison, next to someone who doesn't know which end of the Bible is up, but the Rs as a group tend toward the criminal. it seems. Like what WOULD it take to rock them in their voter's eyes? They could literally be caught on video sacrificing babies to Baphomet or something and their voters would be like "Fake news!"

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[Dandruff]

3 hours ago, GreyhoundFan said:

 

Ridiculous, isn't it?  Unless the Rs already know who they want and are trying to collect a docile lineup of losers to help split votes and/or make the intended winner look good.

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[AlmostSavedAtTacoBell]

5 hours ago, GreyhoundFan said:

 

It’s like unflavored gelatin endorsing anchovy, haggis, Limburger cheese, and liver flavored gelatin. 

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"Classified documents found at Pence’s Indiana home"

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Washington CNN  — 

A lawyer for former Vice President Mike Pence discovered about a dozen documents marked as classified at Pence’s Indiana home last week, and he has turned those classified records over to the FBI, multiple sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

The FBI and the Justice Department’s National Security Division have launched a review of the documents and how they ended up in Pence’s house in Indiana.

The classified documents were discovered at Pence’s new home in Carmel, Indiana, by a lawyer for Pence in the wake of the revelations about classified material discovered in President Joe Biden’s private office and residence, the sources said. The discovery comes after Pence has repeatedly said he did not have any classified documents in his possession.

It is not yet clear what the documents are related to or their level of sensitivity or classification. Pence’s team plans to notify Congress on Tuesday.

Pence asked his lawyer to conduct the search of his home out of an abundance of caution, and the attorney began going through four boxes stored at Pence’s house last week, finding a small number of documents with classified markings, the sources said.

Pence’s lawyer immediately alerted the National Archives, the sources said. In turn, the Archives informed the Justice Department.

A lawyer for Pence told CNN that the FBI requested to pick up the documents with classified markings that evening, and Pence agreed. Agents from the FBI’s field office in Indianapolis picked up the documents from Pence’s home, the lawyer said.

On Monday, Pence’s legal team drove the boxes back to Washington, DC, and handed them over to the Archives to review the rest of the material for compliance with the Presidential Records Act.

In a letter to the National Archives obtained by CNN, Pence’s representative to the Archives Greg Jacob wrote that a “small number of documents bearing classified markings” were inadvertently boxed and transported to the vice president’s home.

“Vice President Pence was unaware of the existence of sensitive or classified documents at his personal residence,” Jacob wrote. “Vice President Pence understands the high importance of protecting sensitive and classified information and stands ready and willing to cooperate fully with the National Archives and any appropriate inquiry.”

The classified material was stored in boxes that first went to Pence’s temporary home in Virginia before they were moved to Indiana, according to the sources. The boxes were not in a secure area, but once the classified documents were discovered, the sources said they were placed inside a safe located in the house.

Pence’s Washington, DC, office was also searched, Pence’s lawyer said, and no classified material or other records covered by the Presidential Records Act was discovered.

The news about Pence come as special counsels investigate the handling of classified documents by both Biden and former President Donald Trump. The revelations also come amid speculation that Pence is readying for a run at the Republican nomination for president in 2024.

Since the FBI searched Trump’s home in Florida for classified material in August with a search warrant, Pence has said that he had not retained any classified material upon leaving office. “No, not to my knowledge,” he told The Associated Press in August.

In November, Pence was asked by ABC News at his Indiana home whether he had taken any classified documents from the White House.

“I did not,” Pence responded.

“Well, there’d be no reason to have classified documents, particularly if they were in an unprotected area,” Pence continued. “But I will tell you that I believe there had to be many better ways to resolve that issue than executing a search warrant at the personal residence of a former president of the United States.”

While Pence’s vice presidential office in general did a rigorous job while he was leaving office of sorting through and turning over any classified material and unclassified material covered by the Presidential Records Act, these classified documents appear to have inadvertently slipped through the process because most of the materials were packed up separately from the vice president’s residence, along with Pence’s personal papers, the sources told CNN.

The vice president’s residence at the US Naval Observatory in Washington has a secure facility for handling classified material along with other security, and it would be common for classified documents to be there for the vice president to review.

Some of the boxes were packed up from the vice president’s residence, while some came from the White House in the final days of the Trump administration, which included last-minute things that did not go through the process the rest of Pence’s documents did.

The discovery of classified documents in Pence’s residence marks the third time in recent history in which a president or vice president has inappropriately possessed classified material after leaving office. Both Biden and Trump are now being investigated by separate special counsels for their handling of classified materials.

Sources familiar with the process say Pence’s discovery of classified documents after the Trump and Biden controversies would suggest a more systemic problem related to classified material and the Presidential Records Act, which requires official records from the White House to be turned over to the National Archives at the end of an administration.

On Friday, the FBI searched Biden’s Wilmington residence for additional classified material, an unprecedented search of a sitting president’s home that turned up six additional items containing classified markings. The search was conducted after Biden’s lawyers discovered classified material in Wilmington following the initial discovery of classified documents at Biden’s private think office in November.

Biden’s attorneys say they are fully cooperating with the Justice Department, seeking to draw a distinction from the Trump investigation.

The FBI obtained a search warrant to search Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in August. Federal investigators took that step because they believed Trump had not turned over all classified material despite a subpoena and were concerned records at Mar-a-Lago were being moved around.

Last week, Pence told Larry Kudlow in a Fox Business interview that he received the President’s Daily Brief at the vice president’s residence.

“I’d rise early. I’d go to the safe where my military aide would place those classified materials. I’d pull them out, review them,” Pence said. “I’d receive a presentation to them and then, frankly, more often than not Larry, I would simply return them back to the file that I’d received them in. They went in commonly into what was called a burn bag that my military aide would gather and then destroy those classified materials—same goes in materials that I would receive at the White House.”

 

[libgirl2]

25 minutes ago, GreyhoundFan said:

"Classified documents found at Pence’s Indiana home"

 

I keep saying they all have documents. 

[fraurosena]

7 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

I keep saying they all have documents. 

I'm just waiting for the "Obama files" to be found. You can bet the rightwingers will be absolutely frothing at the mouth crayyyzeee when that happens.