Pence 2: Couch Surfing With Mother

[Howl]

On 11/11/2021 at 10:51 AM, fraurosena said:

I honestly believe that the traitors were counting on the military to be on their side. If the military had made another choice than they did, the insurrection would have succeeded.

I've been thinking about Michael Flynn, darling and perhaps leader of QAnon and perhaps Q himself.  Flynn wanted Trump to call out the military, so that led me to think that Flynn had (possibly via his military/intel connections)  complicit active military at the highest level already lined up.  His brother, Lt. Gen. Charles Flynn, is first in the list of suspects.  Alternately, he may have been relying on Trump to exercise his ultimate powers as Commander in Chief.  Or both?

Milley had clarified that he was a big "NO!" in following illegal orders.  Maybe he was the ultimate firewall behind the scenes. 

Note: At the time of the insurrection, Lt. Gen. Charles Flynn was "Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations, Plans and Training of the Army Staff." 

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by Howl

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[AlmostSavedAtTacoBell]

15 hours ago, Cartmann99 said:

 

"Hint of Ambition" should be the cologne he markets.  Smells like hair pomade, Mother's hand lotion that he steals to make sure his hands stay soft and smooth, with an undertone of flopsweat because he'll never be able to wash the stench of being part of the Trump administration off no matter how many times he bathes in rubbing alcohol. 

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[GreyhoundFan]

Thoughts and prayers... /s

 

[AlmostSavedAtTacoBell]

1 hour ago, GreyhoundFan said:

Thoughts and prayers... /s

 

Yeah, but he makes Mother pump the gas for him.  He can't get those soft, lily white hands of his dirty or calloused. 

[Cartmann99]

Trump spokesman goes off on 'desperate' Mike Pence over report that he may challenge Trump in 2024

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Donald Trump's spokesperson, Taylor Budowich, lashed out at former Vice President Mike Pence for backing a number of non-MAGA Republicans in this year's primaries ahead of a potential 2024 presidential bid, calling him "desperate to chase his lost relevance."

"Mike Pence was set to lose a governor's race in 2016 before he was plucked up and his political career was salvaged," Budowich told The New York Times. "Now, desperate to chase his lost relevance, Pence is parachuting into races, hoping someone is paying attention. The reality is, President Trump is already 82-3 with his endorsements, and there's nothing stopping him from saving America in 2022 and beyond."

Budowich's remarks come amid a growing rift between Trump and Pence, who the former president castigated back in January 2021 for not going along with a plan to overturn his 2020 election loss.

In recent months, that rift has grown wider in light of the former vice president's support of Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, who likewise resisted Trump's pressure to reverse the last presidential election. Kemp is currently facing a gubernatorial primary challenge from the former Sen. David Perdue, R-Ga., who the former president recruited into the race.

Earlier this month, outlets reported that Pence would campaign with Kemp, a joint effort that's set to officially commence on Monday, according to the Times.

"Brian Kemp is one of the most successful conservative governors in America," Pence said back in May. "Brian Kemp is my friend, a man dedicated to faith, family and the people of Georgia. I am proud to offer my full support for four more years of Brian Kemp as governor of the great state of Georgia!"

Pence's name has also been floated in the national conversation about potential presidential contenders in 2024. On Monday, the former vice president left open the door to jumping into the race even if Trump runs as well.

"We'll go where we're called," Pence said, suggesting that he would act on God's will. "That's the way Karen and I have always approached these things."

Pence also told the Times that people have expressed gratitude over his unwillingness to overturn the 2020 election.

"I have been very moved traveling around the country how much people have made a point to express appreciation, it has been very humbling to me," he said, adding that he spent "five years in a foxhole" while working for the Trump administration.

Most Americans believe that the former vice president had no right to alter the results of the election, according to a poll from February.

 

[Howl]

Pence is now radioactive with Evangelicals and has IMHO zero chance of getting the Republican nomination. MAGA over Jesus.  That's where we are. 

 Politico: Pence skips Faith & Freedom conference. Is attacked by Trump anyways. The ex veep finds himself at a crossroads, unable to lean on his once bedrock constituency.

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This year, Pence has taken on a new persona among the crowd—a Trump era castoff who is probably better off not showing his face. And he seems to know it. The former veep was invited to the conference but decided not to attend. It was the first time Pence had missed the conference in five years.

“I was such a big fan of his but that part of the Republican Party is the educational elites – the old horses are on their way out,” said Mary Obersteadt, the immediate past president of Nashville Republican Women. She wore rhinestone Trump and DeSantis pins on her conference lanyard. “I respect him for what he did and how he served this nation but he’s so disappointing when he - he should have communicated and stayed with Trump with Jan. 6, they should have been on the same level.”

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[onekidanddone]

On 4/19/2022 at 9:44 PM, Cartmann99 said:

 

RNC Jewish Community Center?

WTF fellow members of the Tribe!?!??!!?

How? Just how can you?

[Howl]

21 hours ago, GreyhoundFan said:

Also the moral bankruptcy of Pence, a cipher, a nothing, a ghost who refuses to take a stand while he sniffs the air for opportunity.  And don't forget charisma challenged.  I can't see him winning against De Santis.  

*****

Did y'all notice the costs on the Ronna McDaniel invitation?  Serious married fund raisers with very deep pockets ONLY! 

• $50,000 per couple Host Committee
• $25,000 per couple Dinner 
• $5,000 per couple Reception

And I'm a little confused by the RNC Jewish Community Center.  Which is it? 

Edited June 19, 2022 by Howl

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[AlmostSavedAtTacoBell]

17 hours ago, Cartmann99 said:

 

Well then I guess Mother's Boy is acknowledging that all the terrible things Trump is running around the country saying about him are true and he's perfectly okay with his name being dragged through the mud, much like the insurrectionists wanted to do with his body before taking further steps on January 6th. 

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[GreyhoundFan]

Hmm. Mikey is going against his leader: "Pence endorses in Arizona governor’s race, putting him at odds with Trump"

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PHOENIX — Former vice president Mike Pence is endorsing Arizona gubernatorial candidate Karrin Taylor Robson, a developer who has long been involved in Republican politics, instead of former president Donald Trump’s chosen candidate, Kari Lake, a former TV anchor who continues to falsely claim that the 2020 election was “stolen.”

The endorsement illustrates the division in the party between Trump supporters who value loyalty to him over all else and those who want to move on from endlessly litigating the 2020 election, including those who are grateful that Pence and other Republicans blocked Trump’s attempts to overturn the results. Trump and Pence, who are each thinking about running for president in 2024, both plan to be in Arizona on Friday to campaign for their chosen candidates ahead of an Aug. 2 primary.

Pence called Taylor Robson “the best choice for Arizona’s future” in a statement provided to The Washington Post. “As Arizona Democrats pursue the reckless Biden-Harris agenda, Karrin Taylor Robson is the only candidate for governor that will keep Arizona’s border secure and streets safe, empower parents and create great schools, and promote conservative values,” he said.

Taylor Robson praised Pence’s conservative credentials and said she wants to lead as he has.

“Modern politics is full of charlatans and fakes, but Vice President Pence is the genuine article,” she said in a statement to The Post. “He has never wavered in his conservative beliefs and commitment to our Constitution, and left a rock-solid legacy as Governor to which I will aspire.”

The endorsement comes two months after Pence and other prominent Republicans lined up behind Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R), whom Trump targeted for certifying the 2020 election. Kemp won in a landslide. But Arizona’s gubernatorial primary appears far tighter, raising the stakes for Pence. Split-screen campaign events Friday will underscore Pence’s breaks from the former president since he, too, defied pressure to overturn Trump’s 2020 loss.

Taylor Robson also has the backing of Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R), a longtime friend and ally of Pence, who co-chairs the Republican Governors Association and similarly drew Trump’s ire for affirming the results of the last election.

Lake and Taylor Robson don’t offer dramatically different visions on issues like the economy and water conservation. Both want the state to take a more muscular position on border security, for example, and want to finish Trump’s border wall. But they diverge on the 2020 election.

Lake has called the election system “rotten to the core” and has claimed, without evidence, that thousands of fraudulent votes were cast in 2020: “I refuse to stop talking about it until our elected official stand up and do something. We want people to be arrested, prosecuted and thrown in jail.”

In a televised debate in June, Lake repeated the falsehood of widespread fraud in the election and said that Joe Biden “lost the election and he shouldn’t be in the White House.” She said she would not have certified Arizona’s election results.

During the debate, Taylor Robson, who voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 and helped raise $1.3 million for both of his presidential campaigns, agreed the 2020 election “was absolutely not fair” but would not say it was fraudulent.

She cited new voting rules and laws ushered in by some jurisdictions amid the pandemic and so-called suppression by big tech and media of information damaging to Democrats.

“All of those things together led to 78 percent of Arizona Republicans thinking something was wrong with the election,” she said during the debate. “But I am focused on 2022 because the left is 10 steps ahead of us and I don’t have the time to explain what they’re doing.”

Taylor Robson said she will accept the results of the gubernatorial election. Lake said at a recent campaign event that Taylor Robson’s rivals “might be trying to set the stage for another steal.”

Emily Ryan, a conservative political consultant in Arizona, said the governor’s race showcases a nationwide struggle over the GOP’s identity, with two leading candidates who share many of the same conservative stances on policy but represent different styles of governing.

“There is a part of the Republican Party that’s not comfortable with the direction that Trump has taken the party and that brand of politics and is sort of trying to wrestle back some control,” Ryan said.

In a statement last week, a spokesperson for Lake denigrated Taylor Robson’s backers as “Republicans in Name Only,” one of Trump’s favorite insults. “The RINO establishment is lining up behind Karrin Taylor Robson,” spokesperson Ross Trumble wrote in an email.

An adviser to Pence said the former vice president will visit the border on Friday, joined by Taylor Robson and Brandon Judd, who is president of the National Border Patrol Council and has endorsed her. Pence will also head to Phoenix, said the adviser, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the endorsement more candidly.

Trump is scheduled to appear at a rally in northern Arizona the same day to campaign for Lake and a slate of his preferred statewide candidates. He originally planned to visit this past weekend but rescheduled to Friday after the death of his former wife, Ivana Trump.

The adviser said Pence sees Taylor Robson as “the most conservative candidate in the race” and was considering an endorsement before Ducey announced his support on July 7. Pence and Ducey grew close during Ducey’s own run for governor in 2014, and Pence wants to help Ducey in his final year as governor and chairman of the RGA, those close to both men said.

A Pence adviser also noted Lake’s attacks on Pence last month after he visited the border in Arizona. Lake told Newsmax she does not think Pence has a “snowball’s chance in Phoenix to win” if he runs for president in 2024 and said many people are “disappointed” in him for his actions on Jan. 6, 2021, when he helped certify the election after pro-Trump rioters attacked the U.S. Capitol.

“I think that was something that we as advisers were frustrated by, and it certainly kind of refocused our attention on that race,” Pence’s adviser said of Lake’s criticisms.

Lake, a one-time Democrat during the early years of President Barack Obama’s first term, is running as an America-first populist in the mold of Trump. She secured his endorsement about a year ago and has spent the intervening time building a passionate base energized by her embrace of baseless conspiracy theories and divisive culture war issues, including accusing drag queens of being dangerous to children and advocating putting cameras in classrooms to make sure teachers don’t teach critical race theory-related curriculum.

Taylor Robson is campaigning as a more traditional low-tax, less-government conservative focused on business-friendly policies. She lagged well behind Lake in the polls for much of the race but has drawn closer recently while far outspending Lake, breaking statewide campaign spending records.

With early voting already underway, Pence’s endorsement could help sway moderate Republicans and independent voters who have requested GOP ballots, especially in Phoenix’s far-flung suburbs that have helped settle close contests in recent years. The former vice president has also long been popular with Christian conservatives. Republicans Scott Neely and Paola Tulliani Zen also are vying for the Republican nomination.

Some see a Pence endorsement as risky for Taylor Robson since it will highlight the national currents shaping the race.

“Do you really want to take Trump on or do you just want to continue to narrate your own story?” Chuck Coughlin, an Arizona political strategist whose firm works with Republican candidates, said amid reports Pence might weigh in. “And my feeling is a Pence endorsement makes it more about Trump.”

But for Pence, Coughlin said, the Arizona governor’s race is an opportunity to send a message and possibly share in a victory.

“You’re thinking about Iowa,” he said, referring to the state that traditionally kicks off presidential primary season. “You’re thinking about the next two years.”

With a possible campaign of his own on the horizon, Pence has been stumping for Republican candidates around the country and has a foundation, Advancing American Freedom, that advocates for conservative causes such as restrictions on abortion. Pence’s Advancing American Freedom Foundation recently made a six-figure contribution to an ad campaign by the antiabortion group Susan B. Anthony Pro-Life America, which will support antiabortion legislation at the state level, according to Pence’s adviser.

Pence’s support for Taylor Robson marks his highest-profile endorsement since he campaigned in Georgia with Kemp, who easily defeated Trump’s handpicked challenger, former senator David Perdue. Pence framed the race as referendum on direction of the GOP.

“When you say yes to Governor Brian Kemp tomorrow, you will send a deafening message all across America that the Republican Party is the party of the future,” he told an Atlanta-area crowd on the eve of the primary. Republican governors around the country, including Ducey, had rallied to protect incumbents from Trump-endorsed primary challengers amid what one ex-governor dubbed a “personal vendetta tour.”

Trump’s gubernatorial picks in Idaho and Nebraska also suffered defeats this year. But the former president’s endorsement remains coveted in GOP primaries and has given significant boosts to candidates for the House and Senate.

Pence and Trump have also both endorsed Sarah Sanders, the former White House press secretary, for governor in Arkansas. And last month Pence announced his support for Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.), a gubernatorial candidate in New York, who won his primary and also had the New York GOP’s backing. Trump remained neutral in the New York primary, which featured multiple allies of the former president — including Andrew Giuliani, the son of Rudy Giuliani.

 

[Xan]

I think Pence has decided to seize his moment.  He's looking better due to the testimony of the 1/6 hearings and he probably senses that some people are pulling away from Trump.  Even Fox News is getting their distance.  To be honest, there isn't a downside for him here.  He was on his way out the door when Donald tapped him for VP.  The people in his own state didn't like him.  Now he thinks he's the face of integrity and might have a chance if DeSantis runs against Trump.  He'd be the sanest of the three.

If he's really smart, he'd team up with Cheney and offer her the VP slot.  She's hardcore Republican and she's only helped her image with the hearings.  They'd lose the fringe righties but they'd have the moderate Republicans and might pick up some of the unaffiliated voters.

[GreyhoundFan]

What a great description of Mother's boy:

 

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I'm pretty sure he's only a concubine for Mother:

 

[AlmostSavedAtTacoBell]

Trump has only himself to blame for his Pence Problem. That guy’s political career was over. Finished. He was desperate enough to say yes to being the VP candidate even though he had to know he was being tapped because he brought a certain “look” (hey, he fit the Johnny Bravo suit!) and he would stay quietly in the background while letting Trump “shine”. Trump figured Mike would owe him bigly and would be a faithful lapdog. And he almost was. Who knew Dan Quayle would turn out to be the voice of reason that cemented Pence’s decision to certify the election? Now Pence has had a taste of being hailed as the Savior of Democracy so he’s going to ride that wave. All thanks to Trump beginning to end. 
 

(Imagine if Trump had picked Palin. They would have out-crazied each other and fought for the spotlight. I wonder if he still would have won. Thank God we’ll never find out.) 

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It annoys GreyhoundFan when people speak or write about themselves in the third person.

 

[AlmostSavedAtTacoBell]

5 hours ago, GreyhoundFan said:

It annoys GreyhoundFan when people speak or write about themselves in the third person.

 

Is Mike Pence trying for an Independent George thing? 

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