Dillards 53: Making Assumptions and Indoctrinating the Children

[singsingsing]

1 minute ago, Ivycoveredtower said:

ah but the person who asked the question used the word miscarriage. now lets ask him the same question in lets say Jill had cancer and needed chemo and an abortion would save her life but if she didn't the baby could live but she would die. would he give the same answer. 

Exactly - in the scenario described, the baby is already gone. I want to know if Derick would support an abortion if it was the only way to save Jill's life BUT it would destroy an otherwise viable fetus. (Putting aside the logical conclusion, of course, that if Jill dies the fetus dies with her...)

[SapphireSlytherin]

31 minutes ago, justoneoftwo said:

Did Derik just tweet that he would support abortion to save Jill's life?
 

http://keepingupwithfundies.tumblr.com/image/172076742699

Annndddddd the world is done. Over. Kaput. 

Newsflash ... if you're reading this, you didn't get raptured in the process, either.

[socalrules]

I would bet there are few couples in the group and they wouldn’t dream of being as over the top as Jill/Derick because they aren’t trying to prove they are so in love. I can see everyone else going out to eat or having fun when not trying to convert Catholics, and then there are Jill and Derrick probably eating TTC made in the microwave. Derick and Jill are probably the buzzkill in any group.

[justoneoftwo]

5 minutes ago, singsingsing said:

I would really want to know what he would consider to be 'the only way to save her life', though. There are very rare instances where a woman has survived an ectopic pregnancy, carried to term and given birth to a healthy infant. So if Jill had an ectopic pregnancy, would Derick consider it okay for her to have an abortion, or would she have to carry on because there's an infinitesimal chance she'll be okay? 

its possible to survive and ectopic pregnancy?  I was told it was completely impossible and there was no way the baby could live either.  I'm super curious about how that could happen...

[singsingsing]

1 minute ago, justoneoftwo said:

its possible to survive and ectopic pregnancy?  I was told it was completely impossible and there was no way the baby could live either.  I'm super curious about how that could happen...

It's extremely, extremely rare but it has happened. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectopic_pregnancy#Live_birth (Warning: there are some fairly graphic pictures of stuff relating to ectopic pregnancies in animals right below the section I linked to.)

[justoneoftwo]

1 minute ago, singsingsing said:

It's extremely, extremely rare but it has happened. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectopic_pregnancy#Live_birth (Warning: there are some fairly graphic pictures of stuff relating to ectopic pregnancies in animals right below the section I linked to.)

Amazing! If I understand those cases they weren't in the fallopian tube, which is the most common form right?  And some weren't even diagnosed?  I'll have to look into these more, thanks.

[mango_fandango]

I saw a documentary once where one of the stories was about a woman who had triplets, two were in the womb as normal and one had developed outside in the abdominal cavity. The kid ended up completely fine, by the way, as did the mom (the Jane Ingram story in the linked section, Ronan being the extrauterine baby).

[Jenn The Heathen]

22 minutes ago, SapphireSlytherin said:

Newsflash ... if you're reading this, you didn't get raptures in the process, either.

I never thought I would, anyway.

[SapphireSlytherin]

I survived an ectopic pregnancy, but I was bleeding internally and it was not good.  The embryo had imbedded on my right ovary, not in the tube.

Coincidentally, my hospital roommate when I had GryffindorDisappointment also had an ectopic pregnancy. Hers was in her Fallopian tube. She also survived.

[justoneoftwo]

Just now, SapphireSlytherin said:

I survived an ectopic pregnancy, but I was bleeding internally and it was not good.  The embryo had imbedded on my right ovary, not in the tube.

Coincidentally, my hospital roommate when I had GryffindorDisappointment also had an ectopic pregnancy. Hers was in her Fallopian tube. She also survived.

When people say survived ectopic pregnancy I suppose I should ask for clarification.  Both my mom and grandmother survived theirs, the fetuses did not and they had emergency surgery to save their lives.  My understanding was that if it was diagnosed they would have aborted the fetuses (even for my grandmother's who was pre roe) because the fetus could not survive and the mother would only survive with a later emergency surgery.  

[luv2laugh]

I feel sorry for Jill. Their awkward PDA poses in group photos REEKS of insecurity. 

Derick, knowing Jill would have NO ONE to relate surrounded by college girls, is a DICK IMO for signing up for a college ministry. He should have had enough love for her to do something where Jill could feel more involved. Single college girls aren't going to be able to relate to her and it clearly only makes Jill feel out of place. It's ALWAYS about DERICK and what HE wants to do. Just like staying in Central America when Jill clearly wasn't thriving.

If I were one of those college girls, I'd deliberately make a point to include her by holding her baby in pics and encouraging her to hang out with us fellow college women.  My friend got pregnant young, was married, and I always made her feel included in things. I'd also want to get Jill to experience NEW types of things.

HOWEVER, we have NO idea if they have tried that and Jill rejected them. Jill may feel shy, uncomfortable, or even "holier than thou" and not want to make new friends with single college women. Perhaps it could be Derick that's being a control freak and won't let her make new friends.

We really have no clue  and I'm just making assumptions off of the group pictures I see and the MANY instagram group pictures that DerJill are not in.  Their absence in many other group photos makes me think DerJill stay home a lot either because they don't want to make new friends with single college kids or because they feel rejected by them.

[singsingsing]

1 minute ago, justoneoftwo said:

When people say survived ectopic pregnancy I suppose I should ask for clarification.  Both my mom and grandmother survived theirs, the fetuses did not and they had emergency surgery to save their lives.  My understanding was that if it was diagnosed they would have aborted the fetuses (even for my grandmother's who was pre roe) because the fetus could not survive and the mother would only survive with a later emergency surgery.  

Yeah, I thought it was pretty clear that we were talking about the woman surviving an ectopic pregnancy and giving birth to a live baby at the end. Obviously women survive ectopic pregnancies all the time, they're very survivable in the modern Western world, assuming the pregnancy is ended.

[cara]

Look up the stories of Sheila Hodgers or Savita Halappanavar and see what happens in Ireland, today, where abortion remains illegal regardless of risk to the mother's life. 

There was even a case a couple of years ago where a brain dead woman was kept on life support to allow her to continue carrying her living fetus. Horror movie stuff. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Hodgers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar 

[KelseyAnn]

8 minutes ago, cara said:

Look up the stories of Sheila Hodgers or Savita Halappanavar and see what happens in Ireland, today, where abortion remains illegal regardless of risk to the mother's life. 

There was even a case a couple of years ago where a brain dead woman was kept on life support to allow her to continue carrying her living fetus. Horror movie stuff. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Hodgers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar 

Forgive me if I am mistaken, but doesn't Ireland allow expecting parents to travel outside the country for an abortion? I know it's a low bar, but at least it's a bar. 

[Ais]

@KelseyAnn women do travel from both Northern Ireland and the republic of Ireland to mainland UK for abortion. The costs of this put it out of reach for most women and even if they can afford it, it often means that women are straight back on a plane post surgery with the bleeding/cramping and pain that goes with it. Not to mention that because it's illegal there is also no aftercare, counseling etc. This is a bad enough state of affairs in the republic but Northern Ireland is part of the UK and yet UK law doesn't apply here, mind you it also doesn't apply for equal marriage etc so it's hardly a surprise. 

*I'm not certain but I think that if your Dr suspects you are going to travel for an abortion they are supposed to report it.

I'm now climbing off my soapbox, sorry! The rant was definitely not directed at you personally but government in general x

[SapphireSlytherin]

35 minutes ago, singsingsing said:

Yeah, I thought it was pretty clear that we were talking about the woman surviving an ectopic pregnancy and giving birth to a live baby at the end. Obviously women survive ectopic pregnancies all the time, they're very survivable in the modern Western world, assuming the pregnancy is ended.

I apologize for reading the statement literally and responding in that vein.

[Ivycoveredtower]

28 minutes ago, cara said:

Look up the stories of Sheila Hodgers or Savita Halappanavar and see what happens in Ireland, today, where abortion remains illegal regardless of risk to the mother's life. 

There was even a case a couple of years ago where a brain dead woman was kept on life support to allow her to continue carrying her living fetus. Horror movie stuff. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_Hodgers

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar 

now with the last part the brain dead woman what exactly happened there? was it known to be against her wishes to be kept in that state or something?  I know if I was pregnant and something like that happened to me I'd want to stay hooked up to life support to carry the child to term if at all possible. 

[Rachel333]

4 hours ago, singsingsing said:

There was a couple like this at my high school. Every single day during lunch, they sat there in the hallway, all over each other. PDA to the next level, and always keeping an eye out to make sure people were watching them. I think they thought they were proving to everyone how cool and in love and grown up they were, but really everyone thought they were incredibly weird and gross and obviously overcompensating for something. No one was impressed, that's for sure.

There was a couple like that at my high school too. They even had their hands down each others' pants half the time. I still remember the suction sounds when they finally had to pull themselves apart. 

[KelseyAnn]

This settles it, I am literally never going to have a baby. 

[Imaginary_Wonderland]

@cara I didn't know of the Sheila Hodgers case. Thanks for the link, I will read up on it now. The Savita case was awful, unfortunately it is not unique.

A friend of mine on Fb has been re-posting a new story everyday from the group 'In her shoes- Women of the Eighth'. And in the beginning, I was reading them nearly every day too. But it was just too much, I had to stop. Now I read the odd one here and there. These stories were all very different; women of different ages, backgrounds, situation, reasons,  finances, health etc, but at end of the day, they all came down to the same  factor of being screwed over by their own country. The stories were awful heart breaking stuff, bad enough they were faced with tough decisions but it being made far worse for them by the laws in the country.

Even if it doesn't happen in Ireland, it is still illegal to go elsewhere to get it done. Once you hop off the plane or boat, a person could be arrested and face jail time. Even worse than this, that woman could face longer jail time than her rapist. Insane stuff. That makes me so ragey. I don't think  this has ever happened though in reality. And I think I read somewhere recently that they trying to change this law.

It is funny that the Irish situation was brought though, as when I read Derrick's tweet, I did think to myself 'What is going on in the world if Derick is more generous and caring to his wife, and open-minded to abortion than Ireland is to it's pregnant women'. Haha. Of course, Derick's cryptic tweets could mean anything.

[nickelodeon]

2 hours ago, justoneoftwo said:

its possible to survive and ectopic pregnancy?  I was told it was completely impossible and there was no way the baby could live either.  I'm super curious about how that could happen...

I feel like a couple women we discuss on FJ claim to have given birth to ectopic pregnancies - Spanky Sproul's second wife says that her ectopic pregnancy ~*~miraculously~*~ moseyed into her uterus in the middle of an abortion. The Anus Mouth's husband is a doctor who apparently specializes in transplanting ectopic pregnancies into your uterus because what could possibly go wrong? And so on.

[PennySycamore]

@Ais, when I took an Irish lit class in university one of the stories we had to read was "Shepherd's Bush" by Maeve Binchy about a young woman that travels from Ireland to London for an abortion.

[LiLSeaWitch]

I had an ectopic pregnancy in my Fallopian tube 24 years ago. It was extremely painful and I was hemorrhaging, I couldn’t even walk into the ER. The only option I had was surgery and I was told it was impossible to transfer to my uterus. Maybe since then they can now transplant it in the uterus? I was heartbroken because I was trying to get pregnant at the time. The doctor did tell me that most of the time a woman’s body will miscarry before it gets to the point where there is bleeding and damage to the Fallopian tube. Yeah, at that point I either had to have surgery or hemorrhage to death because of a ruptured tube.  

[SamuraiKatz]

I would bet there are few couples in the group and they wouldn’t dream of being as over the top as Jill/Derick because they aren’t trying to prove they are so in love. I can see everyone else going out to eat or having fun when not trying to convert Catholics, and then there are Jill and Derrick probably eating TTC made in the microwave. Derick and Jill are probably the buzzkill in any group.

They need to get a sitter and head to Red Robin. It's Tavern Tuesday. Two burgers for the price of one and all the fries you can eat. It's a step up from the golden arches :-)

[ViolaSebastian]

7 hours ago, singsingsing said:

There was a couple like this at my high school. Every single day during lunch, they sat there in the hallway, all over each other. PDA to the next level, and always keeping an eye out to make sure people were watching them. I think they thought they were proving to everyone how cool and in love and grown up they were, but really everyone thought they were incredibly weird and gross and obviously overcompensating for something. No one was impressed, that's for sure.

Ugh, I have the exact same memory, except it was a couple that played hacky sack out in a courtyard. That first bell rang and it was like the start of a porno.