Michael and Brandon Keilen Part 3

[IReallyAmHopewell]

1 hour ago, Bazinga said:

Isn't doctor Vick's a free clinic? She mentioned that the tests/procedures have been expensive... So maybe that is why?

Did they move with the cult to Texas or are they still near Oakbrook. I did find the preview of last night's episode and a "let's talk" preview with a bunch of Bates kids. Suddenly they are all so hip and with it compared to the days of the clown dresses and approving protection at home against the evils of the internet. Poverty just sucked too badly, I suppose. I mean using tv to witness was too important--they had to go mainstream to win souls for the Lord.

[Mela99]

I think they're still in the Chicago suburbs. And I was the one who brought it up - Illinois has stage mandated infertility coverage. They would have the ability to likely have IVF paid for.

[BeccaGrim]

I thought last night really illustrated for me the way that Michael really is separate from her family.  

Erin comes up there, pregnant, and redoes her house (Granted, she wanted it) and all Brandon wants is for Michael to like it.  Then there is Tori "When you are you proposing, this is boring" back at home.  Like Michael seemed like an adult for the first time to me last night. Quiet, introspective, (and i know she was always those things) but like a person who has to work for things. 

[sophrosyne]

7 hours ago, IReallyAmHopewell said:

Did they move with the cult to Texas or are they still near Oakbrook. I did find the preview of last night's episode and a "let's talk" preview with a bunch of Bates kids. Suddenly they are all so hip and with it compared to the days of the clown dresses and approving protection at home against the evils of the internet. Poverty just sucked too badly, I suppose. I mean using tv to witness was too important--they had to go mainstream to win souls for the Lord.

The house is on a street adjacent to the IBLP headquarters in Oak Brook.

[llg1234]

11 hours ago, VelociRapture said:

/snipped

I think another poster has previously mentioned that Illinois is pretty progressive in what infertility treatments they insist be covered by insurance. I’m not sure if the Keilens have insurance though, so that may not be applicable to them. I do hope that someone is at least able to figure out what is going on with them.

 

6 hours ago, Mela99 said:

I think they're still in the Chicago suburbs. And I was the one who brought it up - Illinois has stage mandated infertility coverage. They would have the ability to likely have IVF paid for.

Just because something's covered, doesn't mean it's going to be paid for. Does IL require insurance companies to pay for the treatments, or just to have them covered? Because if it only requires coverage, I'm guessing the costs are put to the patient's deductible, if they have one. It wouldn't surprise me that if the Keilens had a high deductible, they might not be able to afford treatment instate. The current average deductible is $5000 a year, and idk how well IBLP pays.

[Mela99]

[mstee]

Michael did mention the costs of the tests had been high so far and then mentioned doing one last test with Dr Vick. So I assume he’s giving her a discount or doing it for free. Hopefully this last test gives her some answers. She mentioned that she was going to take a break from testing if this last test came back inconclusive. I hope that the doctors have advised Brandon to get tested as well. 

[grandmadugger]

7 hours ago, BeccaGrim said:

I thought last night really illustrated for me the way that Michael really is separate from her family.  

Erin comes up there, pregnant, and redoes her house (Granted, she wanted it) and all Brandon wants is for Michael to like it.  Then there is Tori "When you are you proposing, this is boring" back at home.  Like Michael seemed like an adult for the first time to me last night. Quiet, introspective, (and i know she was always those things) but like a person who has to work for things. 

I just wished she had stood up for some of the things she wanted. Erin does well recreating what she has seen on Pinterest. She doesn’t do well blending styles though. Brandon’s frames could have been worked in but Erin couldn’t do it.  Erin really bugged me last night she was bitchy. 

[TeaELSee]

I live in the Chicago area however I am done having kids so I am unsure about what insurance laws are regarding fertility here. There are top doctors, but like she said it’s expensive.  Seriously, Dr. Vick is free? I’ve never heard of that!

It’s bugging me where she lives! I keep thinking it’s Hoffman Estates but I think that is because they went to Medieval Times last year on the show. 

Ok, now I caught up and see they are in Oak Brook, thanks!

[JordynDarby5]

3 hours ago, grandmadugger said:

I just wished she had stood up for some of the things she wanted. Erin does well recreating what she has seen on Pinterest. She doesn’t do well blending styles though. Brandon’s frames could have been worked in but Erin couldn’t do it.  Erin really bugged me last night she was bitchy. 

Erin was bugging me last night too. Just because you like it Erin doesn't mean Michael does. Maybe listen to what Michael wants for her house. But maybe I was having flashback to when I was decorating my place and the endless amount of advice I got. Way more then I ever wanted from family and friends. Telling me what was in and amazingly it wasn't the stuff I liked. Erin was going through the house talking about the blues and picking stuff out. She's fine picking out a style but it didn't seem like she was picking out what Michael like and her style but what Erin liked and her style. I really wanted Michael to say something. You can say something Michael its your house.     

[JillyO]

What is it with fundies decorating their married sisters'/daughters' houses? We've seen it multiple times on both the Bateses and the Duggars' shows. I wonder if this is a reality TV thing, or a fundie thing? If I finally had my own home, after sharing a room with eleventy siblings in my parents' house, the LAST thing I would want is for someone else to come in and decorate based on their own taste. I doubt Erin would like it if, say, Tori came to her house and was all like "This house is way too cluttered. Let's go with a minimalist style!" So why impose her style on her sister and brother-in-law?

[Flossie]

All I can say is that years ago I thought I was being helpful when I staged a mini makeover for a friend that had just recently spent a long time in hospital and was complaining that her house was a mess.  Her husband took her away for two nights to visit her sister and I stayed in their home to take care of the pets while my husband and I were living apart during a troubled time in our marriage.

I'd taken down the plastic sticky snowflakes on one window so I could clean it and I didn't put them back the same way she left them.  I rearranged the throw cushions on the couch.  I'd moved two chairs in the living room around to open up the floor plan.  I'd gathered all of her daughter's hair ties and accessories and put them in a wicker basket in the bathroom.  I'd done all the laundry and put up the kids clothes, the sheets and towels.  I'd folded her and her husbands stuff and left them on their bed because even I knew that she wouldn't want me going into their drawers.  I'd pretty much cleaned up everything and put the stuff that was broken and outgrown kids clothes in a box for her to decide later what she wanted done with them.

Did she appreciate it?  No.  She hated it and exploded on me.  Because even though she had a messy house, it was her house, and she felt that I came in and changed everything in an attempt to show off.  "You think you're better than me?  You think you know how I should live?  Maybe I'm better than you!  My marriage isn't in trouble, I don't need to take over someone else's life to prove myself.  I nearly died, but I didn't, I fought back, and I don't need you coming in and fixing things because your life sucks!..."  It went on from there.  Yes, her reaction was extreme, but she'd gone through a lot with her health and her emotions were raw.

I know this is kind of an extreme example, but I think that unless a person actually says "I don't know what to do.  Will you come in and do it all for me?" the average person will take it the wrong way.   Hell, half the time a person asks you to take over they'll still take it the wrong way because they really want you to tell them they can do it and you'll restrict your roll to making sure their vision comes true.  This is probably why professional decorators charge a lot of money.

[JordynDarby5]

Professional decorators are more likely to come up with what their clients actually want or open them up to ideas they might like better. Friends and/or family seem to take over and give you the vision of what they like. Erin didn't seem to listen to Michael's ideas or what she liked only what Erin liked.                    

2 hours ago, JillyO said:

What is it with fundies decorating their married sisters'/daughters' houses? We've seen it multiple times on both the Bateses and the Duggars' shows. I wonder if this is a reality TV thing, or a fundie thing? If I finally had my own home, after sharing a room with eleventy siblings in my parents' house, the LAST thing I would want is for someone else to come in and decorate based on their own taste. I doubt Erin would like it if, say, Tori came to her house and was all like "This house is way too cluttered. Let's go with a minimalist style!" So why impose her style on her sister and brother-in-law?

I was wondering this too as I watched the episode. Its come up a lot on both shows. Does anyone watch other reality shows? Is this common? 

[OyToTheVey]

My usual problem: Why is there soooooooooooooooooo much stuff? No one needs that many 'art' hangings or weird chalk things. And no one needs 10 pillows on the couch. Plus with black leather couches, she went country? It did not look good.

[Seculardaisy]

My BEC comment - I hate when people say they want a “farmhouse style” and literally get a sign that says “Farmhouse.” Or in Michael’s case “farm sweet farm.”

Especially when they don’t live on a farm.

And yeah the couches clashed but couches are expensive, she could always get cushion covers like Erin has. 

And just because it should never die - Let’s not forget Erin is the person who had a pink bedroom and bed set as an adult married woman. In many ways she’s come a long way in her home decor style but in some ways it’s exaclty the same, very sugary sweet.

If a bowl of sugar and Pinterest had a baby it would be Erin’s home.

[VelociRapture]

40 minutes ago, Seculardaisy said:

My BEC comment - I hate when people say they want a “farmhouse style” and literally get a sign that says “Farmhouse.” Or in Michael’s case “farm sweet farm.”

Especially when they don’t live on a farm.

And yeah the couches clashed but couches are expensive, she could always get cushion covers like Erin has. This style is too sickly sweet for my taste in general.

And just because it should never die - Let’s not forget Erin is the person who had a pink bedroom and bed set as an adult married woman. In many ways she’s come a long way in her home decor style but in some ways it’s exaclty the same, very sugary sweet.

If a bowl of sugar and Pinterest had a baby it would be Erin’s home.

You know a few years ago the all pink bedroom likely bugged me, but I do think pink is a perfectly fine color for any person to have in their bedroom, regardless of age or gender or sex. Cherin’s room was definitely a bit over the top, but it seemed to make Erin really happy and Chad seemed fine with the decorating choices. It definitely isn’t my style at all, but I think it was styled decently enough considering Erin was never given the chance to decorate a bedroom before then. 

I agree with you though. Her style is still very sugary, but it’s matured a little bit in some ways too. 

[QuiverFullofBooks]

It really bugged me that they had stark black leather couches and stark white walls that didn’t go together at all. Why not paint the walls tan and buy brown couches? They didn’t seem to do window treatments either (though they did go to a fabric store for some reason). It was just “should the cheap knickknacks we strew about be modern or farmhouse?” Also, Brandon was completely excluded, which really pissed me off because it’s his house and he’s demonstrated more talent for design than anyone in the family except possibly Chad. (A Chad-and-Brandon decorating business would be a fabulous spinoff.)

[Mela99]

Fundie Property Brothers. I like it.

[Seculardaisy]

21 minutes ago, QuiverFullofBooks said:

It really bugged me that they had stark black leather couches and stark white walls that didn’t go together at all. Why not paint the walls tan and buy brown couches? They didn’t seem to do window treatments either (though they did go to a fabric store for some reason). It was just “should the cheap knickknacks we strew about be modern or farmhouse?” Also, Brandon was completely excluded, which really pissed me off because it’s his house and he’s demonstrated more talent for design than anyone in the family except possibly Chad. (A Chad-and-Brandon decorating business would be a fabulous spinoff.)

I don’t know, Brandon didn’t really seem to care to be involved. My husband is the same way with home decor - whatever I like, he likes. I’ve asked him before if he wanted anything specific in our home and he just doesn’t care.

[HereticHick]

Dr. Vick's office is NOT a free clinic.

 

http://www.drvick.com/

[infooverload]

I wonder if they are renting or buying the house. Maybe she agreed to cheap knick knacks, because she knew those can easily be hidden away when Erin left. Maybe she knew Erin was going to over power her. She might have internally been going oh great this crap again with my family playing decorator. They did the same thing when she was in her old apartment.

[OhNoNike]

14 minutes ago, HereticHick said:

Dr. Vick's office is NOT a free clinic.

 

http://www.drvick.com/

I think we broke the website.  It’s probably not used to ha omg more than one click a day. 

[Mela99]

My guess is it's a comfort thing if they're going back to Dr. Vick. She knows him and feeling comfortable with your Fertility specialist goes a long way. That may explain the expensive tests - if they're going out of state for fhem, insurance wouldn't cover it.

Isn't Vick some kind of Christian doctor too? I vaguely remember a lot of religious signs in his building. That could also be why. I don't think he's a reproductive endocrinologist though

[HereticHick]

10 minutes ago, Mela99 said:

Isn't Vick some kind of Christian doctor too? I vaguely remember a lot of religious signs in his building. That could also be why. I don't think he's a reproductive endocrinologist though

Oh, verrrry Christian. From the website, about the late Mrs. Vick-

 

"FOR I KNOW THE PLANS I HAVE FOR YOU"
(JER. 29:11, niv)

Nancy Vick had a vision to create a center for women that would not
only offer top-notch medical services, but also minister to them 
spiritually . She dreamed of a place that had an atmosphere
of a warm Christian home instead of a sterile doctor's office; where
Christian music would be heard and saying a prayer with a patient 
would not be considered out of place. 

Nancy's vision became a reality as work began on the Center. 

In December of 1999, Nancy began the fight of all fights 
against a very aggressive form of breast cancer. Through 
surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation treatments along with 
their devastating side effects. She had a smile for everyone
while offering constant praise for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Work on the Center advanced as the cancer went into remission. 

In the late summer of 2001, the cancer returned, but more 
aggressive. Again, she battled valiantly with The Center still a focus
and her mission.

Finally, as the work was completed, the Center became reality. 
Like Moses, she never got to step foot into her promised land. 
But, from a wheelchair at Saint Mary's Hospital, she would view
the Center as her dreams came true.

The old hymn "Sweet Hour of Prayer" said it so aptly, "This robe
of flesh, I'll drop and rise, to seize the everlasting prize" Nancy
seized that prize on February 2, 2002.

On February 25, 2002 the doors opened at The Nancy Vick 
Center for Women. Her presence is forever with us, whether
in the artwork that she personally chose to grace the walls, the 
small notes we still find hidden in places just to let us know that 
she still loved us, or the smiles laughter and songs that echo
through the halls. 

Mother Teresa said "We are all pencils in the hand of a 
writing God, who is sending Love letters to the world"

We welcome you to His and Nancy's love letter
 

The Nancy Vick Center for Women is small by design in order to provide more attentive care. We offer a friendly, homelike, and comfortable environment.
Our mission is to provide and perfom comprehensive Obstectrical and Gynecological care for women through all stages of their lives.

WELCOME TO WWW.DRVICK.COM, THE SITE FOR THE NANCY VICK CENTER FOR WOMEN
COPYRIGHT 2013

[Dandruff]

2 hours ago, HereticHick said:

Dr. Vick's office is NOT a free clinic.

http://www.drvick.com/

Maybe Gil and the boys chop his firewood, or trim his trees, or mow the lawn, or help with any renovations...