Jill & Jessa Counting On, Regular Season 1 - Part 2

[Defrauding Feminist ESQ]

13 hours ago, nst said:

because she needs to be loved ? 

i don't like her - but that's me 

This just crushes me.  We ALL need to be loved, and she possibly hasn't ever really felt that - she isn't loved for who she really is.  She's rewarded for what she does for JB and M.  So sad.  Just so so sad.

[Jucifer]

12 hours ago, luxfilia said:

Listening to The Talking Heads while reading Buzzard's description is hilarious and so much better than watching.

I'm going to do this next time

[Dandruff]

I see the Jana interviews as simply more exploitation of that young woman, for ratings.  People have been wondering what Jana thinks and wants so they asked her.  We didn't get any specific answers (not that we deserve them) - just a resigned look and vague responses.  And TLC spread parts of the interview through the show, as bait, just like they did with Anna the week before. 

I kind of doubt that Jana was caught off guard though.  She must have heard versions of the same questions countless times before.  So the answers would have been ready.

[Shadoewolf]

11 hours ago, season of life said:

 

Omg, one of the comments. The description of the video says: Justin is working on cars, and Ben is ready for an oil change. A commenter said, "The description sounds like the beginning of a very bad porno."

And lol at Justin telling Bin he gets a sticker.

Whoa wait! Is that a "Bama hat???!   Did the Razorbacks finally decide to tell the Duggars to buzz off?

Edit: Its the same stylized "A" as Alabama but says Razorbacks on the side. Darn!

[CoveredInBees]

13 hours ago, Gossamer1 said:

I wasn't entirely sure what he said so I turned on closed captioning and I took a picture of the TV. 

I jumped to the end of the show and it doesn't say who provided the closed captioning. 

Dun Dun Duuuuuuuunnnnnnnn............

Sorry that was my internal monologue

TLC would have to be pretty stupid for that to get through the edit if it's true (of course, they COULD be that stupid).

P.S. It's pretty funny that the people who do the closed captioning can't be bothered to tell them all apart.

[Jucifer]

5 hours ago, littlemommy said:

This picture in Jessa's house looked like it was drawn by Napoleon Dynamite.

Haha!!!

That portrait of J&B is so creepy!  

To the artist: put the white chalk down! Just put it down. 

That is all.

[CoveredInBees]

1 hour ago, Jucifer said:

Haha!!!

That portrait of J&B is so creepy!  

To the artist: put the white chalk down! Just put it down. 

That is all.

Did they have it done on their honeymoon in Paris? It looks very much like the kind of thing the street artists do.

[SpunkySpurgeonette]

Observation: Jessa doesn't blink very often when being interviewed.

question: any idea what was written on the blue bags being sent to CA?  Religious text?

[biblelandjunkie]

2 hours ago, SpunkySpurgeonette said:

Observation: Jessa doesn't blink very often when being interviewed.

question: any idea what was written on the blue bags being sent to CA?  Religious text?

i was wondering as well....and what did they put inside those backpacks...I guess I missed seeing the Duggars put things inside the backpacks....

[LittleSpouseOnThePrairie]

A few thoughts:

1. Spurgeon's response to Sierra was taking a big dump. Ha

2. Laughed when Jason (I think?) was talking about bringing Christmas presents down to people and a huge box flies past him and a howler shouts "house trash!" Also, I am confused, looks like they are just stuffing backpacks into duffel bags. Are backpacks the Christmas gifts they are speaking of?

3. According to JD, Jana's secret talent was one time when she delivered a calf? Seriously he couldn't think of anything else his twin is good at on a regular basis?

4. Just hearing the brief moments of JimBoob's voice raises my blood pressure.

5. The "younger kids" that Jana is staying home with while everyone else goes to CA are about the same age that she and Jill were when they started having buddies... Pretty sure the littles are just coddled beyond necessity at this point.

6. Cut the ceiling first and then check for correct placement. Classic Duggar.

7. Yeah between JD's comment about women with purses on a deserted island and the comment about girls liking to do laundry on GMA, he's earned the official douchebag seal of approval.

8. Close-up of Bin eating a taco. Nice choice, editors.

 

 

[FundieFarmer]

Wasn't she the one that got sent to the Journey of the heart or whatever this "retreat" for rebellious teenagers was called? They probably killed the last spark that poor girl had in her....

Yes, and then was a leader for quite a while, I believe.

[Buzzard]

39 minutes ago, LittleSpouseOnThePrairie said:

7. Yeah between JD's comment about women with purses on a deserted island and the comment about girls liking to do laundry on GMA, he's earned the official douchebag seal of approval.

I know I wrote Joe in the recap but it was definitely JD... and he is truly a douchebag, even by duggar standards.

 

@happy atheist May I propose "surviving off the contents of my purse" as a post count title?

[ClaraOswin]

1 hour ago, LittleSpouseOnThePrairie said:

The "younger kids" that Jana is staying home with while everyone else goes to CA are about the same age that she and Jill were when they started having buddies... Pretty sure the littles are just coddled beyond necessity at this point.

I think everyone went except Jennifer and younger. Jenni is only 8. I certainly wouldn't leave an 8 year old in charge of the house while the adults are away. Makes sense to me that Jana stayed home.

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Some of my random thoughts after (half) watching the episode. Such a snooze-fest!...............

What's with these Duggar girls getting glasses but never wearing them?

And I love that she needs them because she can't read signs....yet, she's the one driving! HAHA!

Does Jessa not know the word "an" or what? "A infant" "A extra outfit." I know I've mentioned it before but I am going insane over here.

I cannot imagine having a baby that would just sleep in the car seat through dinner like that. My kid was either crying or being held....or both. Colic was such a joy, let me tell you! A bit jealous of Spurgeon's temperament.

The cheering at the airport...as if they were off at war or something. VOMIT.

Everyone here is commenting about the dust under Jessa's bed. I must be the worst person ever because I've never vacuumed under my bed (we have carpet.) Just around the edges where the vacuum can easily reach. Our bed is way too heavy to move without taking it apart. And my vacuum doesn't fit underneath. We haven't died yet.

Is that picture on their wall supposed to be a caricature?

[justmy2cents]

15 minutes ago, ClaraOswin said:

I think everyone went except Jennifer and younger. Jenni is only 8. I certainly wouldn't leave an 8 year old in charge of the house while the adults are away. Makes sense to me that Jana stayed home.

 

Michelle stayed home with the littles.  Of course she can't manage without Jana.  Think Anna was there to help out as well (not sure about Grandma Duggar.)

[LittleSpouseOnThePrairie]

On March 23, 2016 at 1:31 PM, ClaraOswin said:

I think everyone went except Jennifer and younger. Jenni is only 8. I certainly wouldn't leave an 8 year old in charge of the house while the adults are away. Makes sense to me that Jana stayed home.

Michelle said the girls were about 8 when they became buddy group leaders.

 http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/19-kids-and-counting/michelle-duggars-blog/michelle-duggar-her-familys-buddy-system/

It seems like between Michelle, Anna, and possibly Grandma they could have managed without Jana.

...although I realize expecting Michelle to mind the littles is ridiculous. 

[DuggarWatch]

6 minutes ago, LittleSpouseOnThePrairie said:

Michelle said the girls were about 8 when they became buddy group leaders.

 http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/19-kids-and-counting/michelle-duggars-blog/michelle-duggar-her-familys-buddy-system/

It seems like between Michelle, Anna, and possibly Grandma they could have managed without Jana.

...although I realize expecting Michelle to mind the littles is ridiculous. 

There are only four kids who are ten-years-old or younger.  Any mother should be able to handle four kids all by themselves.   If Michelle can't do that, something is mentally or physically wrong with her and maybe it is Michelle who needs to be supervised by Jana.

[ClaraOswin]

Ah, I didn't pay attention that closely. I thought Michelle went on the trip too.

I figured Anna has her own kids to take care of. And Grandma Duggar is pretty old. I wouldn't leave my Grandma in charge of my son for days on end, but that's just me.

Having a "buddy" to care for isn't the same as leaving the country and having an 8 year old in charge. I know they started the buddy system that young (gross) but I'm sure they weren't going out of town and leaving them on their own. At least, God, I hope not!

If Michelle stayed home, then yeah...she didn't need Jana. I wonder if Tabitha was also there or not.

[Rescinded and Mended]

On 3/19/2016 at 8:32 PM, BullyJBG said:

Joseph has been reported to have read the whole Bible in one year. Michelle talks about falling asleep to the CDs of someone reading the Bible aloud. Joseph is pretty quiet; we never know what he's really thinking about what he's reading. We know they know the basics; the stories of Jesus being born at Christmas, dying and rising again at Easter, and Noah's ark, as they acted in such a play. Actually, come to think of it, something was off with Jimbob and Michelle acting out the story of Jesus and the Samaritan woman at the well. Gotta re-watch that one.

He's probably thinking about the money. I can't remember if it was on A Christian TV program or radio program, but Jim Bob promised a thousand dollars to the first child in the family who could memorize and then recite back the entire Bible.

[Snarkylark]

PRODUCERS- Stop asking Jana about courting! It clearly makes her uncomfortable. How about asking her if she ever thinks about leaving and getting her own place or a job and taking care of herself!

[TuringMachine]

37 minutes ago, LittleSpouseOnThePrairie said:

Michelle said the girls were about 8 when they became buddy group leaders.

 http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/19-kids-and-counting/michelle-duggars-blog/michelle-duggar-her-familys-buddy-system/

It seems like between Michelle, Anna, and possibly Grandma they could have managed without Jana.

...although I realize expecting Michelle to mind the littles is ridiculous. 

Is Tabitha Paine still around? Because that's another adult. Plus Johanna is probably being trained to raise her sisters, nieces and nephews.

[EmCatlyn]

7 hours ago, Johanna25 said:

Disagree. IMO she has drunk deep of the Kool-aid. Her entire life has been devoted to sustaining the cult. She has paid too much to abandon it, it would render her entire life meaningless and worth nothing.

She is only 26.  Less than one third of her "life" is behind her. (Nowadays an expected lifetime is 90 years.)

I agree that it is unlikely that Jana will leave and even more unlikely that she would take an underage sibling with her.  But I disagree that leaving would make her "entire life" meaningless.  For one thing, even if she realizes there is more to life than Gothard, pregnancies and tater-tots, Jana can always look back with satisfaction on what she has done for her family.  The babies she cared for and the ways in which she helped run the house don't lose meaning because she suddenly realizes that she wants a life of her own.  Secondly, as she pursues a life of her own--gets an education, an entry-level job, whatever--she would be pursuing new meaning.

What she would lose in an "escape" would be the people she loves, friends as well as family. And she doesn't know anything that she can escape to.  It is not as if she clearly has something she badly wants to do that will compensate for what she will give up.  

The only way I see Jana--or, Jinger or Joy--leaving is if she meets a guy she comes to trust and fall in love with,  who isn't part of the cult and who has no wish to become part of the cult.  If such a guy asks her to leave with him and marry without JB's consent, Jana might go for it.  Otherwise I think she will stay in the fold.

[quiverofdoubt]

@ClaraOswin I have to agree on your show observations. snooze fest! wow. I was bored and it was only on in the background.  

I was lucky with my first and no colic (ask me about number two in a few months).  But I'm also jealous of his temperament. I think i got away with a meal during a carseat nap a total of once, when she was like 2 weeks old.  And we ate FAST.  She screamed bloody murder if she woke up in the carseat and not in a moving car.  She never let me just put her down like that. On a bed or anywhere else. And she cried every evening for hours (after the colic age), for months on end. It may have been a century.

So, a kid who can't read road signs well and probably legally needs glasses to drive, is driving a younger sibling in the back who obviously needs a booster seat and isn't in one. The seat belt hit right around her artery.  Seems safe. 

It really did look like Jessa got a wake up call during that awkward sierra visit. She saw how hard it's going to be with so many kids so close together. It's pretty clear Jessa isn't into hard work. I wonder if she's starting to second guess this whole "lots of kids, no bc, adopt a litter" idea.

"whenever you leave the states it's DANGER". You meant whenever someone leaves the family compound it's dangerous.  

 

[Johanna25]

1 minute ago, EmCatlyn said:

She is only 26.  Less than one third of her "life" is behind her. (Nowadays an expected lifetime is 90 years.)

I agree that it is unlikely that Jana will leave and even more unlikely that she would take an underage sibling with her.  But I disagree that leaving would make her "entire life" meaningless.  For one thing, even if she realizes there is more to life than Gothard, pregnancies and tater-tots, Jana can always look back with satisfaction on what she has done for her family.  The babies she cared for and the ways in which she helped run the house don't lose meaning because she suddenly realizes that she wants a life of her own.  Secondly, as she pursues a life of her own--gets an education, an entry-level job, whatever--she would be pursuing new meaning.

What she would lose in an "escape" would be the people she loves, friends as well as family. And she doesn't know anything that she can escape to.  It is not as if she clearly has something she badly wants to do that will compensate for what she will give up.  

The only way I see Jana--or, Jinger or Joy--leaving is if she meets a guy she comes to trust and fall in love with,  who isn't part of the cult and who has no wish to become part of the cult.  If such a guy asks her to leave with him and marry without JB's consent, Jana might go for it.  Otherwise I think she will stay in the fold.

I'm not saying I think her life would be meaningless. I am alluding to a psychological principle, cognitive dissonance. The higher the price you have paid, and Jana has paid an enormous price in sacrificing her youth, energy and freedom, the more difficult it is to abandon a principle or philosophy or group. Why would you have spent so much for a false doctrine or direction? She has invested too much to say, "Oh, sorry I was wrong." That's why fraternities have rites of initiation and why cults and marketing schemes make you pay through the nose. Psychiatrists also use the idea to justify high rates, (if I didn't charge you, you wouldn't value it).

[Tomboy]

Argggh It made me so mad when Jana came over to help Jessa with her lighting and Jessa hardly looks at her much less helps her I mean it's your house your problom you can at least act grateful!  

[Carol]

Thank you, Jesus, for this wonderful program.

Did anyone comment on the awkward exchange between Jessa and Ben about 24 minutes into the show.  They are in the background in the bedroom as someone is being interviewed.  First it looks like a spirited conversation between them, then they cut away, then back to Ben grabbing Jessa in a...what?  It looks like a mugging.

All this talk about danger( I actually thought people were exaggerating) makes me wonder if they a setting up a scenario where someone slightly dangerous does happen...cougar attack, snake bite, Derrick is kidnapped and shaved?  Makes me want to send them a small incendiary device just to liven things up a little.  Just kidding.  Sort of.

Every time they asked Jana a personal question she heaved a big sigh.  It's OK, Jana, to tell them to fuck off and mind their own business.

I cannot imagine how they can carry viewers for any length of time if this it what they will be showing.  I nearly died of terminal boredom.