Where are the Duggars Going/Show Coming Back?

[HarleyQuinn]

If anything, I don't care if people use "pedo" to describe Josh just because of Jim Bob acting all high and mighy about it during his Megan Kelly interview. "Well, actually pedophile is age 16..and blah blah blah." 

Probably an unpopular opinion, there's valid arguments all around. But I don't mind using that word to describe a teen old enough to know better who molested a 5 year old. 

And yes, I'm aware of my Duggar hating bias. 

[sawasdee]

2 minutes ago, HarleyQuinn said:

If anything, I don't care if people use "pedo" to describe Josh just because of Jim Bob acting all high and mighy about it during his Megan Kelly interview. "Well, actually pedophile is age 16..and blah blah blah." 

Probably an unpopular opinion, there's valid arguments all around. But I don't mind using that word to describe a teen old enough to know better who molested a 5 year old. 

And yes, I'm aware of my Duggar hating bias. 

So, for you, Josh is labelled because of what JimBoob said? And do you really think that Josh was as emotionally mature as a kid who had gone to school, interacted with contemporaries, and actually had an education? I don't like the smug little bastard, but he has had a bad roll of the dice in terms of his upbringing.

[Eternalbluepearl]

34 minutes ago, sawasdee said:

 I feel that some on FJ have a witch hunt that Josh is an aggressive paedophiliac who should not be allowed to be around his children, and that Anna should divorce him for that reason. I disagree. She surely has many grounds for divorce, but I do not think this is one of them. ( ducks and runs...)

I think Anna shouldn't have married him in the first place since she was supposedly told all about his past touching his little sister's private areas. For Anna to dump him now because of it would be kind of shocking but Anna was also raised in a very sheltered way. If now, that this story has gotten attention, she's realized how wrong it all was, and feels disgusted by him now and is afraid for her daughters, and leaves, I think that would be reasonable too. Anna gets to do whatever she wants to do regarding her marriage. Josh has certainly done whatever Josh wanted to do. *puke*

[sawasdee]

1 minute ago, Eternalbluepearl said:

I think Anna shouldn't have married him in the first place since she was supposedly told all about his past touching his little sister's private areas. For Anna to dump him now because of it would be kind of shocking but Anna was also raised in a very sheltered way. If now, that this story has gotten attention, she's realized how wrong it all was, and feels disgusted by him now and is afraid for her daughters, and leaves, I think that would be reasonable too. Anna gets to do whatever she wants to do regarding her marriage. Josh has certainly done whatever Josh wanted to do. *puke*

I think you misunderstood my post.

[quiverofdoubt]

5 hours ago, sawasdee said:

Okay, deep breath. I don'tbelievethatateenagerwhoassaultshissistersisnecessarilyapedo. I think, in the environment in which they grew up, it was always a possibility, and , perhaps, an inevitability, that sexuality would be explored- which would explain the comment that it was common in their circles for such incidents to occur.. There is a reason that paedophiliacs are not diagnosed until they are a certain age - until the brain, and the sexuality has matured, it CAN be environment and opportunity. I also believe that Josh's development was seriously delayed by his idiotic parents' beliefs.

There is absolutely no evidence that Josh has assaulted any child since reaching adulthood. I do believe that Josh was socially developmentally delayed by the ridiculous teachings of ATI. I feel that some on FJ have a witch hunt that Josh is an aggressive paedophiliac who should not be allowed to be around his children, and that Anna should divorce him for that reason. I disagree. She surely has many grounds for divorce, but I do not think this is one of them. ( ducks and runs...)

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm with you on this actually.  I don't feel it's fair to label any kid for life based on their actions at that age, especially in an oppressive and neglectful environment.  We don't have nearly enough info to make that judgement call.  It's as fair to give him a lifelong title of pedo as it is to believe someone is totally harmless just because we have no evidence of wrongdoing in the past.  It's not ruled out of course in josh's case. It's just not a given that he's gone on, or will go on to, harm other girls.  Only the people in his inner circle can judge that.  and a qualified professional.  That he will never see....

I hope Anna has enough sense and integrity to keep her children safe- and that if she felt Josh was a threat to her children that she would get out for that alone.  If Josh's cheating wasn't enough.  I can only assume she has her reasons to believe that her children are safe, reasons the public is not privy to.

[SassyPants]

6 hours ago, 2manyKidzzz said:

If I understand it, Honey Boo Boo was in a position where the mother was going to put her in a position where she could be molested going forward. So that had to end immediately from TLC's perspective.

Josh is out of the house. What they think of the danger of him molesting again is anybody's guess. It does not seem to have the same immediacy of Honey Boo Boo........sort of, well, that was a live situation....confirmed, convicted adult molester back in the picture.  I don't quite know how Josh could be described. 

Clearly TLC is willing to roll the dice.

Odd to me, as Josh is the headship of 4 young children.

You add on the AM scandal and does anyone really think that Josh is necessarily stellar enough to be above suspicion?

Maybe JB has told TLC that HE will handle Josh- and we can all imagine what that might be like. Does the TTH have a windowless basement?

[Valerie3kids]

It looks to me in my heart of black hearts that they are coming back - full force. The entire lovely family. They are "saying" they are going to concentrate on Jana. Well. that really does not leave much to film. So that leaves the rest of the grifters filling in all the empty space including Josh and the eventual M5. The only one we may not see much of is JD as he as far as I can is the only one who has any interests of his own. But, if JB demands he participate then JD will do so rather than lose his planes.

I have written again to TLC to say how disgusted I am at what I see them doing. I have mentioned maybe showing some truth about the family such as blanket training, sister mothers, subservient woman and several other things. I am sure nothing will come  of it but I am just disgusted. Molestation is ok. Cheating on your wife is ok. Yes, the molestation was a very long time ago but they have been lying about it the entire time and then tried very hard to brush it under the rug. I have also told them I will not return to  TLC or to any sponsors of the show. TLC seems hell bent on putting them back on TV come hell or high water. The responses I have seen have not been good towards TLC and they are ignoring them all.

No wonder Bin was smiling in his "Duggar Boy" picture. He will not have to work anytime in the near future and can continue to talk shit and sound stupid.

It's just bullshit no matter how you look at it.

[downtherabbithole]

26 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

Clearly TLC is willing to roll the dice.

Odd to me, as Josh is the headship of 4 young children.

You add on the AM scandal and does anyone really think that Josh is necessarily stellar enough to be above suspicion?

Maybe JB has told TLC that HE will handle Josh- and we can all imagine what that might be like. Does the TTH have a windowless basement?

Not as far as I know. I could totally see them putting him in one of their other properties that no one knows about. 

[quiverofdoubt]

39 minutes ago, SassyPants said:

Clearly TLC is willing to roll the dice.

Odd to me, as Josh is the headship of 4 young children.

You add on the AM scandal and does anyone really think that Josh is necessarily stellar enough to be above suspicion?

Maybe JB has told TLC that HE will handle Josh- and we can all imagine what that might be like. Does the TTH have a windowless basement?

No idea. But they do have a "prayer room" which i'm guessing doubles as a prayer closet. and we know gothard and ati are not against locking kids in those for days on end.

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

2 hours ago, Valerie3kids said:

It looks to me in my heart of black hearts that they are coming back - full force. The entire lovely family. They are "saying" they are going to concentrate on Jana. Well. that really does not leave much to film. So that leaves the rest of the grifters filling in all the empty space including Josh and the eventual M5. The only one we may not see much of is JD as he as far as I can is the only one who has any interests of his own. But, if JB demands he participate then JD will do so rather than lose his planes.

I have written again to TLC to say how disgusted I am at what I see them doing. I have mentioned maybe showing some truth about the family such as blanket training, sister mothers, subservient woman and several other things. I am sure nothing will come  of it but I am just disgusted. Molestation is ok. Cheating on your wife is ok. Yes, the molestation was a very long time ago but they have been lying about it the entire time and then tried very hard to brush it under the rug. I have also told them I will not return to  TLC or to any sponsors of the show. TLC seems hell bent on putting them back on TV come hell or high water. The responses I have seen have not been good towards TLC and they are ignoring them all.

No wonder Bin was smiling in his "Duggar Boy" picture. He will not have to work anytime in the near future and can continue to talk shit and sound stupid.

It's just bullshit no matter how you look at it.

Well, in this case "they" is an unsubstantiated "source." If anything, I think Jana is going to get a special, since people are always talking about how they want to see more of Jana. We may get a special of all the unmarried, adult Duggars.

[EmCatlyn]

14 hours ago, JHeathen said:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/19-kids-and-counting-news-tlc-brings-series-back-156082/

We discussed this article or one very much like it in up thread. I don't really think it has any definite news.  But notice this,

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The stars of the series recently suffered through some scandals when it was revealed that Joshua Duggar took part in AshleyMadison.com, a website that serves as an online dating site for married men. With the family known as devout Christians, the news of Joshua's infidelity led to the show's cancellation.

"The news of Joshua's infidelity led to the show's cancellation."  Yeah right.

The show was cancelled before AM.  It was cancelled because of the molestation scandal.  But that is not mentioned in the article.  I think the way history is being rewritten need more attention than it is getting.

[Cactus]

Given Jana's obvious reticence in THs etc. in previous seasons, how exactly does JB plan on forcing a 26 year old adult woman to parade on camera like a show pony? What freedoms / assets / rights does she have for him to take away if she refuses to participate?

[meowmeow19]

Honestly I think JimBoob can push those kids so far into filming, well that is before the scandal. I was actually kinda impressed that they let some of their kids choose not to be filmed regularly. Now that they are on a mission to save face for the whole damn family, the pressure may be much, much higher. I couldn't imagine a show surrounded around Jana. I think she's one of my favorites but for the same reasons she isn't on the show that often. She made her own choices not to be on camera that much and can say no enough not to say yes to Mr. Right Now and wait for Mr. Right. I'm so over all of them right now I couldn't imagine watching any of them.

[RosyDaisy]

I feel that some on FJ have a witch hunt that Josh is an aggressive paedophiliac who should not be allowed to be around his children, and that Anna should divorce him for that reason.

I'll happily accept the title of witch hunter. Josh molested 5 girls multiple times. One of them was only 5 years old. That makes him a threat in my eyes. Therefore, I'll happily accept the title of one of Josh Duggar's witch hunters.

[Sweet Fellowship]

I hope if there is to be a special about Jana, then she's fully on board with it and not just doing it at Boob's command. I really don't know what they could film to make good TV. Jana cleaning up after the little ones? Jana doing the housework? Jana reading and organising the mail? I doubt she's in a courtship.

[HarleyQuinn]

18 hours ago, sawasdee said:

So, for you, Josh is labelled because of what JimBoob said? And do you really think that Josh was as emotionally mature as a kid who had gone to school, interacted with contemporaries, and actually had an education? I don't like the smug little bastard, but he has had a bad roll of the dice in terms of his upbringing.

Yes. Josh, as a 15 year old knew better than to molest his sisters. He started it when they were sleeping and it kept escalating as he got more smug about it. Yes, his sexual repressive upbringing didn't help things, but it seems his other brothers managed to navigate their childhood without fondling 5 year olds. I'm not giving him a free pass.

[Trynn]

I don't think there's evidence Nosh is still a danger to children. That being said, I wouldn't let any children I knew be anywhere near him, especially unsupervised.

[Hera]

I see Josh as someone who is inherently selfish and who will always put his wishes and desires above that of anyone else.  And he will do so despite the risk to himself (though he will only act when he thinks he won't get caught) and without any appreciation of the harm his behavior will cause others.  Given the right circumstances, that can certainly make him act as a sexual predator, but, I don't think that he is currently a risk to young children. 

When I break down the molestation and AM stuff, I see the following pattern: 

Molestation: 

Josh is sexually curious and had no approved outlet. Knowing that any expression of this to his parents would get him marked at "sinful!", he secretly preyed upon his sisters because (1) they were available and (2) his desires were more important to him than the risk of being caught (though he sought to minimize that by striking while they slept and then going after ever younger ones).  I think the fact that they also happened to be minors was incidental.  I guess I mean that he wasn't attracted to them *because*  they were minors. They were simply objects with the parts that fascinated him, even the youngest ones, which, of course, is still disgusting and horrific and in no way lessens the impact his actions had on his sisters and family friend.  

AM: 

Josh is curious about non-baby making, slightly non-vanilla sex.  Josh has no Gothard-approved outlet.  Believing that any expression of this to Anna (symbolically JB and M here) would potentially result in him being labeled a "Sinnah!!", he secretly sought sex on the side online because (1) it was available and (2) his desires were more important to him than the risk of being caught (though he sought to minimize that by creating profiles that he thought were undiscoverable).  As I understand it, he wasn't seeking out minors or even pseudo-minors online,  and if he were dipping one toe into the pool believing there is no way he'd ever be caught, why not jump on in? He'd hardly be the first "prominent" person to do so.  

So where I wouldn't trust Josh alone with a passed out college freshman or any other vulnerable woman of age  because I think he's an opportunist with no care of concern for how his actions harm others, don't really think of him as a child molester, per se. Meaning I don't think he is attracted to young children. 

I'm not a psychiatrist or expert here, though, so I could be blowing all sorts of smoke out my speculating ass. 

But in any event, the pattern I see in Josh's behaviors then and now just makes it evident to me that without real therapy and some serious self-reflection, Josh will continue to pretend to Believe!! and feed his desires in secret ways in the side.  The fear of Gothard isn't enough to cow him into actually living the party line. Which might just be the most normal thing about him.  Too bad he's got no approved way to question anything and a wife and kids who will be hurt by his actions because he can't.*

 

*I'm well aware that Josh could get a job and leave the cult, but he's not strong enough to do so. Is that his fault? Is it a result of how his shit excuse for parents raised him? The practical fact that he has no way to financially leave? All of the above? Doesn't really matter. This was all going to play out in much this way from the time JB and M put their quest for admiration (pride) and money (greed) above the welfare of their children and pushed Josh deeper into the cult instead of toward therapy and mainstream interactions with women. 

[DuggarWatch]

1 hour ago, Trynn said:

I don't think there's evidence Nosh is still a danger to children. That being said, I wouldn't let any children I knew be anywhere near him, especially unsupervised.

We don't know the kinds of porn he was looking at on the Internet and if any of the porn involved children.  Nobody is going to make that kind of info public.  But, Josh made a public statement that he is addicted to Internet porn, which is enough of a reason to keep children away from him.

[Chickenbutt]

I don't know what Josh is or isn't, but I would err on the side of caution and NEVER give him the opportunity to be alone and unsupervised with kids. Call me paranoid, call me over protective. Any hint that he MAY assault kids if enough for me.

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

5 hours ago, Trynn said:

I don't think there's evidence Nosh is still a danger to children. That being said, I wouldn't let any children I knew be anywhere near him, especially unsupervised.

I agree, but then I wouldn't trust anyone who is in that cult around children unsupervised.

[Eternalbluepearl]

4 hours ago, Chickenbutt said:

I don't know what Josh is or isn't, but I would err on the side of caution and NEVER give him the opportunity to be alone and unsupervised with kids. Call me paranoid, call me over protective. Any hint that he MAY assault kids if enough for me.

Me too. He's a pervert. Sorry not sorry. He has always seemed like an arrogant jerk and I don't really care about how he was repressed and how the tater tot casserole made him do things he wouldn't normally have done...

[Chickenbutt]

Yep, his motivations/upbringing/mindset etc means nothing to me. He assaulted little girls. He gets no pass from me. He has shown what he is, whatever name anyone wants to attach to it, and I am not taking any chances with him.

[quiverofdoubt]

I would never ever give Josh a free pass.  I would also never let him, or any fellow cult member, anywhere near my kid.  He needs treatment and heavy consequences for his past behavior.

But to me that's different from assuming that his past actions will define his future actions. I don't believe his past behavior is enough evidence to say where his brain is now. I could theorize all day: if I take into account everything he's admitted to, things he's been accused of, and the rumors, I could paint a very ugly picture.  I wouldn't be surprised if he was found out to be a seriously scary abusive predator and a danger to women.  But I would personally hate to be crucified as an adult for the things I did as a teen, or to have the public use that info, and that info alone, to judge my current self.

[Chickenbutt]

In my opinion his crucification as an adult is well earned. He assaulted little kids. That should follow him for the rest of his life. Being a big ole cheater head? I couldn't care less about that. It's Anna's issue, not mine. I have my own husband, can't be worrying about hers.

As to things done as a teenager, if you shoplift once or twice, I can live with that. Got drunk? Okay. Raped some one? Nope.  You have now defined your life. In my mind, it's all about the level of things done and the damage it caused to victims. If you don't want to be defined as a rapist, murderer, child molester, then don't do it.