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1 hour ago, luv2laugh said:

I think they are slowly letting things leak out to try to eliminate a huge public backlash. They think if they ink things out slowly to the public, everyone will just get used to it, accept it, and get over it.

Which is true. People have short attention spans and are easily bored.

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2 hours ago, SassyPants said:

UGH- I was going to mention this a couple of days ago. When are ANY of the married Duggarlings actually going to leave and cleave? 

We should make a list of all the Duggarisms that those idiots have spewed. They should have to explain them and then eat them.

Ben must be ecstatic which is disgusting 

the grin needs to be gone - get ready for more edgy preacher crapola

 

and it just goes to show that Jill can't stay away - she can't handle being away from the clan 

it's sick and it's insane

they don't leave and cleave because they get what they wanted all along - they get the show back. 

Does TLC really believe that people will forget what has happened.  And Jessa and Jill are just now forced back to pimp themselves out.  And they must think because they have been suffering - now they can just go on with their lives on screen forever and never have to earn a normal way. I knew the moment Jessa said in the Megan Kelly interview we will be fine, we will go back to our normal lives was a lie.  Lie number 44456.  Can't wait for more lies insert sarcasm.

 

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If the Duggars want to forgive Josh, fine. If they want to ostracize him, fine. If he and Anna want to divorce, or make a go of it, I really don't care. I just don't think they should get a show to do it. There's an expression, "Don't air your dirty linen in public."

When did it become acceptable to have such public gossip? Not pointing fingers, I love to snark as much as the next person.

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I think that when the molestation scandal came out, TLC decided that they wanted to cut JB & Michelle and Josh out and let the show focus on Jessa & Jill. There were rumors back in early June that TLC wanted to do a spin off focusing on Jessa & Jill but JB would not have it and demanded that the show focus on the entire family, including him as the head, along with Michelle or no show. Then once TLC cancelled 19 Kids & Counting, I think JB realized that all of the $$$ was drying up and finally agreed to have Jessa & Jill do the spin off. I believe the spin off was in the works way back in early June when the rumors about it started swirling around. Now, it is very interesting to me that they are rumored to be focusing on Jana and now, we also see evidence of the TLC worker interviewing the Duggar boys.  I think TLC realizes that the public cares a lot about poor Jana the most, and obviously, Anna because of the Josh scandals. I think TLC realizes that Jessa & Jill alone cannot carry on a show, so they want to throw Jana and Anna in because they bring in the ratings. It seems like TLC wants the show to be about the Duggar children - JB & Michelle (hopefully not Josh, knock on wood).  Overtime, I believe they would slowly and gradually worm JB & Michelle back into the series because I think JB would push himself in again, without a doubt. He has to control everything.

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17 minutes ago, Bad Wolf said:

 

When did it become acceptable to have such public gossip? Not pointing fingers, I love to snark as much as the next person.

I'm guessing as soon as TLC thought it would attract viewers.  It's not a good direction IMO but I think that's the way TV is headed.  :/

 

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19 hours ago, helenprev said:

That Christian Post article basically says 19KAC was cancelled because of the second scandal - the Ashley Madison one. Reading the article there is no hint of the molestations there at all. That annoys me more than any of the speculation and rumour!

A quick Google search shows that the plug was pulled on 19 Kids & Get a Fucking Vasectomy Already JimBoob on July 16th while the Joshley Madison scandal broke on August 19th/20th (the 20th was when the statements were released by the Duggars, while the story broke the night before.  Ahh, those were memorable topics indeed!), so a full month and a couple of days later.

Either the writers at the Christian Post are incapable of doing a two minute search on the Internets or they are being intentional lying liars who lie.  How very *Christian* of them.

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8 hours ago, Ursula said:

A quick Google search shows that the plug was pulled on 19 Kids & Get a Fucking Vasectomy Already JimBoob on July 16th while the Joshley Madison scandal broke on August 19th/20th (the 20th was when the statements were released by the Duggars, while the story broke the night before.  Ahh, those were memorable topics indeed!), so a full month and a couple of days later.

Either the writers at the Christian Post are incapable of doing a two minute search on the Internets or they are being intentional lying liars who lie.  How very *Christian* of them.

In a funny way, the Ashley Madison scandal has been good for the Duggars.  Though I believe that on the personal level they were devastated, the AM scandal has shifted attention from the molestation (which they clearly did not understand as a problem) to Josh's infidelity, possible liaison with Danica, and "porn addiction," all of which they understand as problems. Furthermore, the more recent scandal has obscured the earlier one for many people.  What happened before Josh was 16 is not as interesting to the media (and the public?) as what happened in the past three years.

If there had been no AM scandal, the Duggars would have had to work their way back to public acceptance  by either addressing the molestation issue more fully or avoiding it consistently.  The "sexual abuse" special was probably  initially intended to show them dealing with the family memory sexual abuse and imply that they were all healed.  But when AM happened, the emphasis shifted.

The AM scandal has kept Josh and the Duggars in the public eye in a way that is less harmful to their image than if the media had continued digging into the molestation scandal.  Further, because part of the problem with the Duggar response to the first scandal was that they minimized it; their obvious pain and the "proactive" way they dealt with AM has returned some sympathy to them.

I doubt the Duggars see it this way, but AM has helped TLC "reclaim" the Duggars.

 

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2 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

I doubt the Duggars see it this way, but AM has helped TLC "reclaim" the Duggars.

I totally agree.  The porn addiction and the affairs** are easily sold as sins brought on by Josh being exposed to the evils around him in the secular world.  Poor Joshley becomes a victim of satan and evil liberal society. Thanks Obama!  :my_biggrin:

The molestations on the other hand aren't just about Josh--they also (still)have to answer to their lack of care as parents to their daughters before, during and after the molestations.  

**I use the word "affair" with hesitation.  I prefer to think of an affair as having an emotional component.  I don't believe that was the case for Joshley-certainly if the DD case is proven and for that matter any other sexual encounter he may have had.  

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2 hours ago, EmCatlyn said:

In a funny way, the Ashley Madison scandal has been good for the Duggars.  Though I believe that on the personal level they were devastated, the AM scandal has shifted attention from the molestation (which they clearly did not understand as a problem) to Josh's infidelity, possible liaison with Danica, and "porn addiction," all of which they understand as problems. Furthermore, the more recent scandal has obscured the earlier one for many people.  What happened before Josh was 16 is not as interesting to the media (and the public?) as what happened in the past three years.

If there had been no AM scandal, the Duggars would have had to work their way back to public acceptance  by either addressing the molestation issue more fully or avoiding it consistently.  The "sexual abuse" special was probably  initially intended to show them dealing with the family memory sexual abuse and imply that they were all healed.  But when AM happened, the emphasis shifted.

The AM scandal has kept Josh and the Duggars in the public eye in a way that is less harmful to their image than if the media had continued digging into the molestation scandal.  Further, because part of the problem with the Duggar response to the first scandal was that they minimized it; their obvious pain and the "proactive" way they dealt with AM has returned some sympathy to them.

I doubt the Duggars see it this way, but AM has helped TLC "reclaim" the Duggars.

 

I'm not so sure about that. While I'm convinced that the Duggars will never understand why the molestation/incest scandal was a big deal, it dealt a major blow to their public image that they won't be able to recover from. There will be always be an asterix of sorts besides the Duggar name that wouldn't be there if it was just Joshley Madison, because then they could just say it was Josh's personal sins, while the molestation scandal revealed systematic dysfunction at all levels of the family at a very early stage.

The problem with refocusing a new show on the non-Josh young adult Duggars is that they don't do anything. At all. Josh at least had some semblance of a job, even if it did it poorly. The Dullards are always claiming to be missionaries, but seem to taking vacations on the dimes of clueless leghumpers. Ben is basically JB's lawn boy. Josiah is selling broken drones on ebay. Jana and Jinger are full-time sister-moms. JD is the family chauffeur. What the lost girls and the howlers are up to is anyone's guess. None of the kids are "leaving and cleaving," they're just hanging around the TTH and expecting to be paid for being on TV. If/when the Duggars return to TV, I hope that reviewers will be at least a bit more critical of what's being sold to them.

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21 hours ago, luv2laugh said:

They ARE coming back according to Pickles who posted an article from a TLC worker who shared this. She also interviewed the Little Couple and a couple other TLC people. Can someone notify Buzzard about this?

“Huge day for me today! I’m interviewing Jill and Jessa, The Little Couple and The Busby Bunch! TLC has a lot of faith in me and I’m so thankful! Wish me luck!!”


Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2752451/duggar-family-filming-tlc-set-interviewer-goes-public/#h0Zzv5po0ImPKf0a.99

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They always show Bin working out and acting buff.  He almost looks wimpy next to the Duggar boys.  Not criticizing, just making an observation!

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If you're interviewing Jill & Jessa - why is the whole damn family there too? (JB you twat)

ALSO Jill, why aren't you on your Missioncation? Back home AGAIN?

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Ah, the smugness in that picture. Look, we can do anything and still have our show. See, if you pray right it will all turn out no matter what nasty things anyone in the family does. Why again is Ben there? Doesn't he some leaves to blow or a lawn to mow? His last name is not Duggar that I recall.

I just can't imagine what they are going to use as show material. Building a treehouse? Really? I wonder how long they will be able to draw this circus out while the Duggars rake in the money. Are we going to have more talk about #20 for JB and Mechelle? More comments about "Mama's pipes must not be working right anymore?"

I, personally will not watch. Do not want to see any their smug little faces on TV. They are worthless. They have produced at least one generation of worthless adults who have no clue how to survive the world. How long and how many generations will this continue? I can not see either Jill or Jessa doing homeschool well. They have nothing to use to teach their children. It is scary.  

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4 hours ago, Cleopatra7 said:

I'm not so sure about that. While I'm convinced that the Duggars will never understand why the molestation/incest scandal was a big deal, it dealt a major blow to their public image that they won't be able to recover from. There will be always be an asterix of sorts besides the Duggar name that wouldn't be there if it was just Joshley Madison, because then they could just say it was Josh's personal sins, while the molestation scandal revealed systematic dysfunction at all levels of the family at a very early stage.

The problem with refocusing a new show on the non-Josh young adult Duggars is that they don't do anything. At all. Josh at least had some semblance of a job, even if it did it poorly. The Dullards are always claiming to be missionaries, but seem to taking vacations on the dimes of clueless leghumpers. Ben is basically JB's lawn boy. Josiah is selling broken drones on ebay. Jana and Jinger are full-time sister-moms. JD is the family chauffeur. What the lost girls and the howlers are up to is anyone's guess. None of the kids are "leaving and cleaving," they're just hanging around the TTH and expecting to be paid for being on TV. If/when the Duggars return to TV, I hope that reviewers will be at least a bit more critical of what's being sold to them.

I agree that the molestation scandal dealt a blow to their image and that there are a lot of people who will not forget.  But there are people who will forget as they focus on the more recent scandal.

I agree also that AM alone would have been less serious than the molestation scandal alone.

But if there had been no AM, I think the media might have kept more of a focus on the molestation and made it harder for the family to rehab itself.  When the focus was on the molestation, the focus was on the sick family dynamics.  The Duggar parents were judged for minimizing the problem and insisting their daughters were fine.  The daughter were seen as victims not just of Josh but of their upbringing.

Once the attention shifted to the AM stuff, sympathy for the Duggar parents and Anna began to take part of people's attention.  How terrible to believe that your son is now a "good" family man and to have it revealed that he is a fraud.  How terrible to trust your husband and idolize him and find out he has been cheating in a big way.

I am not one of those people that believes that Josh "must" have molested children even after he came back from remodel-rehab, . But I bet the tabloids would have looked for that kind of dirt (and invented some) if AM hadn't given them something else to focus on.  There might have been revelations about his interest in porn and maybe something more about the "sin in the camp" etc.  Instead, we get speculation about whether or not Anna will forgive Josh and whether or not he actually abused Danica.  It is all embarrassing for the Duggars, but not as difficult for them to distance themselves from as the molestation would have been.

What TLC needed in order to get the Duggars back on TV was to shift the focus away from the molestation and the parents' failure in that instance.  Now it is on Josh the Sinner and His Impact.  It will be a lot easier to pretend that the problem was Josh the bad seed and the parents did their best.

I have no idea whether some version of 19k and counting will make it long-term,  but they have an interested audience for at least a few more specials.  Then too, as soon as people get over the shock, TLC can show reruns of the old show.  That will make money also.

It is incomprehensible to me why people want the Duggars back, but some do.  And TLC has been patient and used the AM scandal to shift attention away from the molestation.  Consider how much attention was spent on the molestation vs AM on the "Counting On" specials.

I do agree that eventually the fascination with the Duggars will end.  The question is when.

 

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1 hour ago, EmCatlyn said:

I agree that the molestation scandal dealt a blow to their image and that there are a lot of people who will not forget.  But there are people who will forget as they focus on the more recent scandal.

I agree also that AM alone would have been less serious than the molestation scandal alone.

But if there had been no AM, I think the media might have kept more of a focus on the molestation and made it harder for the family to rehab itself.  When the focus was on the molestation, the focus was on the sick family dynamics.  The Duggar parents were judged for minimizing the problem and insisting their daughters were fine.  The daughter were seen as victims not just of Josh but of their upbringing.

Once the attention shifted to the AM stuff, sympathy for the Duggar parents and Anna began to take part of people's attention.  How terrible to believe that your son is now a "good" family man and to have it revealed that he is a fraud.  How terrible to trust your husband and idolize him and find out he has been cheating in a big way.

I am not one of those people that believes that Josh "must" have molested children even after he came back from remodel-rehab, . But I bet the tabloids would have looked for that kind of dirt (and invented some) if AM hadn't given them something else to focus on.  There might have been revelations about his interest in porn and maybe something more about the "sin in the camp" etc.  Instead, we get speculation about whether or not Anna will forgive Josh and whether or not he actually abused Danica.  It is all embarrassing for the Duggars, but not as difficult for them to distance themselves from as the molestation would have been.

What TLC needed in order to get the Duggars back on TV was to shift the focus away from the molestation and the parents' failure in that instance.  Now it is on Josh the Sinner and His Impact.  It will be a lot easier to pretend that the problem was Josh the bad seed and the parents did their best.

I have no idea whether some version of 19k and counting will make it long-term,  but they have an interested audience for at least a few more specials.  Then too, as soon as people get over the shock, TLC can show reruns of the old show.  That will make money also.

It is incomprehensible to me why people want the Duggars back, but some do.  And TLC has been patient and used the AM scandal to shift attention away from the molestation.  Consider how much attention was spent on the molestation vs AM on the "Counting On" specials.

I do agree that eventually the fascination with the Duggars will end.  The question is when.

 

I think another Duggar scandal is inevitable. Not necessarily Josh (although I wouldn't be surprised if he does get involved in another scandal, simply because I get the impression that he still wants to have sex with women who aren't Anna and Jesus Rehab won't change that), but there are so many members of the Duggar family that there is no way that all of them are going to stay on the Gothard "stay sweet" path, especially when they've been set up to fail by educational neglect. Just think about how much drama the Jackson family has, and there are "only" nine kids: there's all the scandal surround Michael, Joe and Katherine's marital problems, Jermaine and Randy sharing a baby mama, that weird kidnapping attempt of Katherine a couple years back, La Toya going rogue for a couple of years (and starting a 1-900 number for "Jackson family secrets," the rumor about Janet possibly having a secret child, and this is just the stuff we know about. The Duggars are still planning to employ all the kids via the TV show, and that's just not realistic. The question of where all the TLC money goes and whether the adult kids get their fair share is an interesting one. I could see a disgruntled J'adult suing JB and Michelle for stealing their money, like Gary Coleman did.

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they can't downplay the molestation scandal anymore.  They also can't show Josh interacting with the sisters he molested on screen.  That would be the nail in the coffin.  Unless JB makes them ?   - but then why would said sisters be on that board for that - all so they don't have to make a normal living?

The average person /even leghumpers would not want Josh to be on screen with his sisters? 

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1 hour ago, Cleopatra7 said:

I think another Duggar scandal is inevitable. Not necessarily Josh (although I wouldn't be surprised if he does get involved in another scandal, simply because I get the impression that he still wants to have sex with women who aren't Anna and Jesus Rehab won't change that), but there are so many members of the Duggar family that there is no way that all of them are going to stay on the Gothard "stay sweet" path, especially when they've been set up to fail by educational neglect. Just think about how much drama the Jackson family has, and there are "only" nine kids: there's all the scandal surround Michael, Joe and Katherine's marital problems, Jermaine and Randy sharing a baby mama, that weird kidnapping attempt of Katherine a couple years back, La Toya going rogue for a couple of years (and starting a 1-900 number for "Jackson family secrets," the rumor about Janet possibly having a secret child, and this is just the stuff we know about. The Duggars are still planning to employ all the kids via the TV show, and that's just not realistic. The question of where all the TLC money goes and whether the adult kids get their fair share is an interesting one. I could see a disgruntled J'adult suing JB and Michelle for stealing their money, like Gary Coleman did.

Yes, eventually something will happen to expose them further. My point was that in the short run AM was not all bad for TLC and the Duggars.

I wish it were possible for the kids (not just the Duggars but Honey Boo Boo etc) to sue TLC for the damage done to their childhoods.

1 hour ago, nst said:

they can't downplay the molestation scandal anymore.  They also can't show Josh interacting with the sisters he molested on screen.  That would be the nail in the coffin.  Unless JB makes them ?   - but then why would said sisters be on that board for that - all so they don't have to make a normal living?

The average person /even leghumpers would not want Josh to be on screen with his sisters? 

I think the molestation will be treated as a non-issue and if Josh comes back on the screen it will be as a "Prodigal Son" and repentant sinner.  They don't need to show him interacting with his sisters, but they will all be in the same room for holidays and so forth.  He could be part of the "Josh comes home to Anna" plot and all the older kids would have their own plots which won't intersect.   It is not going to be the same show.  Even if there had been no scandal, the marriages and births were changing things.

I don't know if they will have a Josh homecoming episode, but I bet that they want to... If they can get the sponsor on board.    It is all about the audience's craving for whatever it is they get out of the Duggars and TLC's and the Duggar's craving for cash.

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I think there are plenty of leghumpers who would love to see Josh back on the show.  They have totally bought the idea that he is a repentant sinner and their hero.   As to the molestations, they swallowed the kool-aid that Jill and Jessa offered up with Megan Kelly and they'll come back for more.   Just another teenage boy being a teenage boy. Everyone is fine now and no need to bring it up.   In the meantime, they had to reconcile Joshley's image of the doting father/husband with the AM scandal.  I really think the leghumpers had a harder time with that.  After all now he's an adult and the poster boy for family values.  Time has passed...we have much longer memories here at FJ.  The fans are ready to welcome him back and TLC is ready to offer them up.

 

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I'd love to know how TLC plans to financially support all this with almost no advertisers. (Who better not contemplate re-sponsoring this dungheap of a show)

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6 hours ago, Cleopatra7 said:

I think another Duggar scandal is inevitable. Not necessarily Josh (although I wouldn't be surprised if he does get involved in another scandal, simply because I get the impression that he still wants to have sex with women who aren't Anna and Jesus Rehab won't change that), but there are so many members of the Duggar family that there is no way that all of them are going to stay on the Gothard "stay sweet" path, especially when they've been set up to fail by educational neglect. Just think about how much drama the Jackson family has, and there are "only" nine kids: there's all the scandal surround Michael, Joe and Katherine's marital problems, Jermaine and Randy sharing a baby mama, that weird kidnapping attempt of Katherine a couple years back, La Toya going rogue for a couple of years (and starting a 1-900 number for "Jackson family secrets," the rumor about Janet possibly having a secret child, and this is just the stuff we know about. The Duggars are still planning to employ all the kids via the TV show, and that's just not realistic. The question of where all the TLC money goes and whether the adult kids get their fair share is an interesting one. I could see a disgruntled J'adult suing JB and Michelle for stealing their money, like Gary Coleman did.

My scandal predictions in order of plausibility/likelihood:

Jim Bob's shady financial dealings/connection to Got-Hard come to light

Jill and Derick's shady financial dealings come to light

Josh cheats again

Duggar child who is not Josh publicly says something blatantly racist (because misogynistic and homophobic are par for the course/considered OK by the leghumpers, but racism is beyond the pale -- no pun intended -- for most people), or Ben decides to do Christian rap and says/does something incredibly clueless regarding race

Amy does something wildly irresponsible and/or decides to spill some family secrets when she feels that she is not getting enough attention

 

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Of course they're going to do a Josh the Prodigal Son storyline. That's the only real draw to the show. TLC knows that. And that's all TLC cares about. It doesn't care about the Duggars personally, the leg humpers, freejinger, or promoting the Duggars' message one way or another. It's a company, and despite our Supreme Court's decision that they have religious rights, companies don't really have souls. As long as people tune in to watch, regardless of whether they're watching out of support or disgust, the Duggars will be on TV.  

 

Frankly, TLC is probably hoping there will be another scandal, as long as it doesn't involve sex crimes against children, anyway. It drives ratings. Jim Bob Duggar may be dumb enough to think that being on TV is a ministry, but TLC gives zero fucks about that. If they thought someone would watch it, they'd come film the ruin of them all and laugh all the way to the bank. 

JB should have taken his kids and gone home. Nothing good will come of this family being back on TV. My bet is that the fallout will be over movey. Taxes are a possibility. God knows what kind of write offs JB is taking while housing and employing that many kids.  But entitlement, vanity, greed and pride have been fostered in this family, and those kids  aren't really kids anymore.  Sooner or later someone is going to decide that they're not getting their fair share of attention, screen time and/or money and act to get what they believe that they are owed.  It won't be pretty. 

 

 

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If TLC does anything like a prodigal son story-line with Josh - I will be writing to all the sponsors they show - I will blast him to kingdom come which is probably what they would love - so can I just get a voodoo doll and just put pins in him 

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10 hours ago, nst said:

If TLC does anything like a prodigal son story-line with Josh - I will be writing to all the sponsors they show - I will blast him to kingdom come which is probably what they would love - so can I just get a voodoo doll and just put pins in him 

Put the pins in his balls. Hopefully that will slow the inevitable M'blessings and keep his sex drive low enough that he behaves himself.

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On January 31, 2016 at 10:34 PM, Bad Wolf said:

If the Duggars want to forgive Josh, fine. If they want to ostracize him, fine. If he and Anna want to divorce, or make a go of it, I really don't care. I just don't think they should get a show to do it. There's an expression, "Don't air your dirty linen in public."

When did it become acceptable to have such public gossip? Not pointing fingers, I love to snark as much as the next person.

Probably at about the same time as a man with 15 children and counting sold his family (with a son who had molested 5 girls, 4 sisters and a 5 yo in the mix) as above it all and a group to emulate, to the media, and was rewarded for such with a reality TV show.

Unconscionable is clearly the new behavior of the day.

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I recently sent TLC my thoughts once more as the treehouse rumors started buzzing about. While I was at it, I also sent an inquiry about another show that I DO want to see more of. All I got in response to the Duggar-related email was the same stock response as before the Counting On specials, stating:

 

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We appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns with us regarding our programming. Please know that your comments will be forwarded to our program management and executives and will be taken into consideration... Thank you again for expressing your interest in our programming

 

BUT! In response to the inquiry about the other show that I like, I got details and air dates. Also a form letter, but one with actual content and answers. I don't know whether to be pissed or happy about this discrepancy. On one hand, I want answers to my Duggar concerns that they did not answer. On the other hand, there seems to be at least somebody routing these emails based on content.

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