Jessa Duggar Seewald Pt 5 - The Smug is Strong With This One

[halcionne]

Music video for Katy Perry. It's age-restricted so maybe a little NSFW.

Paris Hilton:

So, I doubt it would be necessarily unflattering. Well, unfairly unflattering anyway. Unlike, say, Eminem. But probably the type of thing they'd rather not be associated with.

I'd love to see them try to sue a rapper. Or maybe Jessa would attempt to endorse it if she and Bin are REALLY strapped for cash. I mean, she's got a baby on the way...

The love interest in the Katy Perry video reminds me of Mary Maxwell. :mouse-shock:

[JenniferJuniper]

I totally agree that Jessa is obviously not one of Jim Bob's favorites (does he have favorites besides Jill and Jana...?).

Although I think all daughters outrank the sons as "favorites". Boob prefers the girls as the sons seem to be some sort of threat to him. Part of his pathology, no doubt.

The Duggars had to have known Josh had major issues. He's the only son Jim Bob seemed truly close to. Does he have any regrets at all about how they raised him? I know the answer is almost certainly "nope", but they must sometimes at least wonder if they could have done something differently... Marrying him off young clearly didn't do any good.

[RosyDaisy]

By the time they have four or five kids they won't fit into Grandma Mary's house any more.

What then.

Ben should get out of JB's ass, get a regular job like everybody else, and get his family the hell out dodge.

[Rosie]

I totally agree that Jessa is obviously not one of Jim Bob's favorites (does he have favorites besides Jill and Jana...?). I also think that he and Michelle hurry to marry off the children who they perceive as the most sexual or likely to "sin" before marriage. Josh because of the molestation and porn issues, Jill because she went to them and confessed to being constantly horny/wanting a husband (per the interview that was printed last spring), and Jessa because of her "I'm so sultry and gorgeous please worship me" thing.

The result: rushed, ill-matched marriages. :(

Wait, what?

Really?

[Yoshimi]

Wait, what?

Really?

I remember that interview! I think I saved it on my computer...

And here it is! Or at least the part where she talks about struggling with "a sea of wrong thoughts". From Crown of Beauty Magazine -

[ClaraOswin]

That toolbox comment. Derick just made a similar one in their blog today. Weird.

[sophie10130]

It bugs me that they think prayer is some sort of payment and repayment. Like, only because she prayed did Derick have an easier time with his grief. It seems weird that just because she, a complete and absolute stranger prayed, did Derick have an easier time with his grief.

I don't like thinking that how easily or difficultly I deal with an issue is because some other person is on the other end praying for me. Or that some stranger person I haven't met yet is relying on me to be Godly.

[EmCatlyn]

The Duggars had to have known Josh had major issues. He's the only son Jim Bob seemed truly close to. Does he have any regrets at all about how they raised him? I know the answer is almost certainly "nope", but they must sometimes at least wonder if they could have done something differently... Marrying him off young clearly didn't do any good.

My guess is that they see this as something that has happened to them, not something that they are responsible for. Josh has been more susceptible to the devil's temptations than lesser humans. The Duggars did everything right but the power of Satan was directed against them. This is because they are special. Worldly temptations weakened Josh in spite of the Duggars' great teaching. It is a horrible thing to happen to such a godly family that has done so much good and inspired so many. But it is surely because they are so special and so pleasing in God's eye that the devil took their first born son and corrupted him. Now they must pray for Josh's redemption or the Second Coming, whichever it pleases the Lord to send first... But if the Lord could send back TLC while they are waiting for a miracle, it would be kind of nice.

[MakeItSo]

I remember that interview! I think I saved it on my computer...

And here it is! Or at least the part where she talks about struggling with "a sea of wrong thoughts". From Crown of Beauty Magazine -

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thanks for posting this!

"It made it easier to transfer that to my husband." *cringe* this whole headship business...I know she is "just" talking about communication here...but we all know it's not JUST about communication.

Edited because I slightly misquoted Miss Jilly due to the cringefest that was happening

[Reading Rambo]

I don't know if it's okay for my first post to be a title suggestion, but I've been lurking forever, and I wonder if we've done "Jessa Duggar Seewald: The Desolation of Smug" yet?

[nastyhobbitses]

I remember that interview! I think I saved it on my computer...

And here it is! Or at least the part where she talks about struggling with "a sea of wrong thoughts". From Crown of Beauty Magazine -

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Classic Michelle response: pray, pray, pray. Now get out of my sight so I can go schtup your dad some more. Where's the "this is just a normal part of growing into a woman"? The "you're not a bad person for wanting love and affection"? The "I'm sure one day you'll find someone you love and who loves you"? The "remember that even though you're feeling boy-crazy, don't jump at the first guy who pays attention to you -- make sure that whomever you court or date really values you and listens to you"? Where is any trace of motherly warmth or understanding or guidance?

[PracticeMakesProgress]

...Did Jill really just equate her prayers to overcome a normal teenage interest in sex with Derick praying/struggling with losing his dad suddenly? :shock:

[princessmahina]

I don't know if it's okay for my first post to be a title suggestion, but I've been lurking forever, and I wonder if we've done "Jessa Duggar Seewald: The Desolation of Smug" yet?

Love it. Love everything about it. It might also work for Josh though- since he's probably both desolate and smug.

[calimojo]

yes, and on the surface that seems like a superficial comparison. But when you really consider the true depth of the forced repression of sexual and any other feelings that are deemed 'aberrant' and 'sinful', but the cult, it really does bring it to a more level comparison. As devastating as the loss of Derick's father was, I imagine he was fully allowed to experience his grief and sadness, and wasn't expected to keep sweet.

Jill, has, since infancy been taught that showing any emotion other than joy for Jesus was wrong. She was taught that sexual feelings were wrong, until the magic day of your wedding night.

Anyone who has raised teenagers can tell you that much of the time, they are a tempest of extreme emotions, ranging from rage to happiness. Teenagers are toddlers in a bigger body plus they have the whole sex and hormone thing mixed in. It is a really tough tough time. Some kids sail through it, and others do not. Most come through just fine and emerge as perfectly fine and functional adults.

But I can imagine that if you were one of those teens with very labile emotions and sexual stirrings, that it would be very very difficult to be living in the house of Duggar. Then add in, the fact that you were molested by your own brother, but never had a chance to figure out what that means to you, and I could see that Jill may well be very honest in her description of how much she struggled.

Just as I have no trouble imagining that Michelle was as useless as a canoe in the dessert when her child in need came to her for help and support. Pray Pray Pray- Not exactly what Jill needed at the time. Yes, Prayer can be helpful, but as mentioned above, it would have been more helpful if Michelle had normalized Jill's feelings rather than making her feel like she wasn't godly enough.

[singsingsing]

Keep in mind that she's probably not even talking mainly about sexual thoughts. 'Wrong thoughts' to these people also include fantasizing about romance and relationships, even if the fantasies aren't directed toward a specific person, and even if they're completely chaste. 'Wrong thoughts' also include having a crush on a guy or wanting too much to be married. The way they talk about women and sex - that men always want sex and are super horny and physically oriented all the time and the women are just interested in the emotional connection and need to feel loved - I would be surprised if Jill actually meant "I was super horny all the time." Girls aren't horny all the time. They may like sex and want it sometimes, but they don't have a sex drive like men do. Hormonal teenage girls daydream about diamond rings and flowers and walks on the beach, not about boning.

[missegeno]

Exactly. Which is what makes it so "wrong" for her to be horny all the time. That's not something for girls to feel. Maybe she's one of those dangerous trans people if she'd feeling horny, because that's only for the other ginder.

(In case it is not obvious and before anyone mistakes these words for sincere thoughts, I think her horniness is and was completely normal and has nothing to do with gender, and I would not clutch my pearls even if she was trans, but there is no reason to think she is. Just making snark of Duggar logic.)

[Georgiana]

Keep in mind that she's probably not even talking mainly about sexual thoughts. 'Wrong thoughts' to these people also include fantasizing about romance and relationships, even if the fantasies aren't directed toward a specific person, and even if they're completely chaste. 'Wrong thoughts' also include having a crush on a guy or wanting too much to be married. The way they talk about women and sex - that men always want sex and are super horny and physically oriented all the time and the women are just interested in the emotional connection and need to feel loved - I would be surprised if Jill actually meant "I was super horny all the time." Girls aren't horny all the time. They may like sex and want it sometimes, but they don't have a sex drive like men do. Hormonal teenage girls daydream about diamond rings and flowers and walks on the beach, not about boning.

This is a vast over generalization. While MOST teenage boys may be fixated on sex and MOST teenage girls may be fixated on romance, there ARE members of both genders who have sex drives more typical of the other. Whenever you talk about sexual diamorphic traits, that means that trait X is more common in Y gender. It does not follow that trait X DOES NOT occur in Z gender. It does, just less frequently. I had a very "male" sex drive as a teen, and still do as an adult woman. I thought about sex A LOT. Not loving, bed of roses, making love. Sex. I didn't want romance, I wanted a goddamn dick.

Not all women fantasize about their weddings. There are a good amount of us who are incredibly horny and have sex drives more typical of what society expects of a man.

I agree with you that her wording doesn't NECESSARILY denote that she struggled with sexual thoughts, but to argue that she didn't simply because she is female and "girls don't do that" is incorrect. Some do.

[ElegantMajesticPearls]

This is a vast over generalization. While MOST teenage boys may be fixated on sex and MOST teenage girls may be fixated on romance, there ARE members of both genders who have sex drives more typical of the other. Whenever you talk about sexual diamorphic traits, that means that trait X is more common in Y gender. It does not follow that trait X DOES NOT occur in Z gender. It does, just less frequently. I had a very "male" sex drive as a teen, and still do as an adult woman. I thought about sex A LOT. Not loving, bed of roses, making love. Sex. I didn't want romance, I wanted a goddamn dick.

Not all women fantasize about their weddings. There are a good amount of us who are incredibly horny and have sex drives more typical of what society expects of a man.

I agree with you that her wording doesn't NECESSARILY denote that she struggled with sexual thoughts, but to argue that she didn't simply because she is female and "girls don't do that" is incorrect. Some do.

I think she was referring to what Fundies think. Not what the reality is. Singsingsing can correct me if im wrong

[singsingsing]

This is a vast over generalization. While MOST teenage boys may be fixated on sex and MOST teenage girls may be fixated on romance, there ARE members of both genders who have sex drives more typical of the other. Whenever you talk about sexual diamorphic traits, that means that trait X is more common in Y gender. It does not follow that trait X DOES NOT occur in Z gender. It does, just less frequently. I had a very "male" sex drive as a teen, and still do as an adult woman. I thought about sex A LOT. Not loving, bed of roses, making love. Sex. I didn't want romance, I wanted a goddamn dick.

Not all women fantasize about their weddings. There are a good amount of us who are incredibly horny and have sex drives more typical of what society expects of a man.

I agree with you that her wording doesn't NECESSARILY denote that she struggled with sexual thoughts, but to argue that she didn't simply because she is female and "girls don't do that" is incorrect. Some do.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. This is not my own opinion - far from it. I was speaking from the point of view of a fundamentalist.

[Alexa]

I don't know if it's okay for my first post to be a title suggestion, but I've been lurking forever, and I wonder if we've done "Jessa Duggar Seewald: The Desolation of Smug" yet?

I love it! We are basically witnessing the desolation right now with the show cancelled, speaking engagements drying up, magazine covers disappearing, it's getting real right now for the Seewalds and I can only imagine what Jessa and Ben are saying behind closed doors.

[Alicja]

girls can be just as horny as boys, however under patriarchy, girls are shamed for their sexuality while boys are praised for making "conquests", as if a girl's body is a piece of land that can be colonized.

in fundieland it's a little different as any sexual thoughts or feelings before marriage are frowned upon, however boys' sexuality is still normalized by the the idea that they can't control their temptations, which means that girls have to dress modestly so they do not tempt boys and pray their thoughts away.

neither of these models work.

[princessmahina]

I don't think all of Jill's "wrong thoughts" were about sex, but I would be willing to bet a substantial portion of them were. She and Derick admitted that their race to the altar was partially about wanting the "physical side" of a relationship.

[Kira]

I love it! We are basically witnessing the desolation right now with the show cancelled, speaking engagements drying up, magazine covers disappearing, it's getting real right now for the Seewalds and I can only imagine what Jessa and Ben are saying behind closed doors.

:| I think the Seewalds will be fine. Ben has the tools to find a good job.

Ben has worked(real jobs)since he was a teen. Four months ago Ben earned an associates degree in business from an accredidated college. He did this while he was filming "19 Kids and Counting". I would say Ben has ben more successful than Chad Paine :pink-shock:

Also, they still have TLC money :shrug:

[Jenesis]

Did Jessa get a nose job and veneers? I did a search but I didn't find anything..but she looks "different" since her marriage and a bit before. More "smug". I apologize if this isn't in the right place!

These are old photos.

Jessa in late 2014/early 2015:

[ClaraOswin]

She looks the same to me.