Joshley Madison Pt 3: Storming Satan's Hidden Fortress

[VaSportsMom]

It strikes me that if Josh had not been raised in this horrible patriarchal society that Josh would have been a much nicer person-- or least he would have pretended to be nice. He was handed Anna on a plate and told that she belonged to him. He did not have to do much to maintain their relationship, the onus was all on her to serve him willingly, have sex whenever he wanted and to gaze at him adoringly at all times.

If Josh had been raised outside the cult he would have had to work a lot harder to attract women. He would have probably lost quite a few crushes before finding someone who would marry him. I'm not saying he would not have ultimately cheated on his spouse but at least he would have been more fearful of the consequences. Anna is not going to do jack shit. She will go one being his faithful household drudge and pumping out his spawn. If he doesn't leave her no doubt he will cheat on her again in the future.

He selected a mistress in much the same way that he picked a wife. He joined a group, paid the required fees then flipped through profiles to pick from those available. He even paid extra for the guarantee because he wanted an affair and he wasn't going to be denied.

[Growelly]

Lori Alexander's much-awaited response!

lorialexander.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-josh-duggar-affair-continuing-in-sin.html

I'm not sure why she felt the need to make a graphic with a cutesy Pinterest font for this one . . .

Me, either.

This may shock you, but this revelation does not shock me, although it is a grave disappointment to us, and to all Christians.

I'm so glad she's so much smarter than all of us. What would we do without her wisdoms?

Satan found someone in Josh to devour. It probably started as a kid of 12-13 years old when sexual sin took its root and built its tentacles into Josh Duggar’s life.

Or, some might even argue, built a fortress of some sort.

Satan will attack much more those who are in the spotlight of the Christian world so as to deliver a double blow. This hypocrisy and scandalous behavior not only hurts Christianity, but it also has the ability to create many more mockers and scoffers, only driving them away from Jesus; Josh has blasphemed the Word of the Living God. Not only are Christian leaders more prone to fall into temptation, they seem especially prone to sexual temptation. He failed to heed the exhortation to "Flee immorality." The reason why the Josh Duggar news does not shock me, however, is because I have watched a regular parade of Christian leaders over the past 20 years fall into sexual sin as they are far too susceptible to what I call the "Nebuchadnezzar Syndrome."

So should we start worrying about Lori? I mean... This is a public blog....

Well, I'm surprisingly happy to see no Anna bashing on here, although the path is clear - she must forgive him. But there's no real condemnation of Josh, either.

[polecat]

I only had 2 children 20 months apart. There was no way that there was a opportunity to cheat. I was too tired and there was too much to do. No way ANna could do this with 3-4

MTE. I had three under three years. I barely had time to sleep much less have sex with anyone other than my husband. He was working full-time and had a full-time voluntary position. We barely saw each other, but we also spent every free minute together. I suppose I could have stayed awake to cheat ... but come on. Sleep to a new mom is better than the best orgasm ever. No man would have been worth backburnering sleep for, lol. If Anna cheated, I'd be extremely shocked.

[Hot Dog Fingers]

Lori Alexander's much-awaited response!

lorialexander.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-josh-duggar-affair-continuing-in-sin.html

I'm not sure why she felt the need to make a graphic with a cutesy Pinterest font for this one . . .

"A man’s greatest battle is his sexual drive and desire, just as a woman’s greatest battle is her emotional make-up and need to control those closest to her to try and get her seeming “needs†met."

This is the first time I've read Lori's blog and oh my :shock:

[VaSportsMom]

"A man’s greatest battle is his sexual drive and desire, just as a woman’s greatest battle is her emotional make-up and need to control those closest to her to try and get her seeming “needs†met."

This is the first time I've read Lori's blog and oh my :shock:

Guys, my make-up shows no emotion at all. It just sits in various containers without comment. Should I be worried?

Did she mean "seaming" needs because the dress I was working on yesterday has 2 seams that need ripped out and redone.

[MakeitSew]

Long time lurker, first post.

This story is so heartbreaking to me. Growing up in a fundie community my heart breaks for Anna and the kids. There is just no easy way out.

In the churches I have attended it seems when a man admits to a porn addiction that puts extreme pressure on his family/spouse to forgive him and help him overcome his addiction. As previous posters have stated, it is sort of a free ticket out of responsibility for his actions. A wife finding herself with a cheating husband who has admitted a porn addiction can find herself looked down on if she still chooses (with perfectly Biblical reasons!) to leave him. If she does leave, suddenly the tables are turned and *she* becomes the bad guy, and the poor husband, seeking forgiveness, is the victim. It seems forgiveness = staying with the cheating bastard.

In the same vein a woman who stays with a cheating husband is looked upon as somehow more "godly" than a woman who chooses to leave. Because, bring glory to God! A miserable marriage with both partners unhappy and unfulfilled brings glory to God as long as the two people stay together! Suffering is part of this world, people! If we suffer we are closer to Christ!

Sick.

The whole system is set up for marriage troubles. As teenagers boys/girls were separated. "Courtships" were entered into with both parties barely knowing each other. . .and courtship almost guaranteed a quick engagement and even quicker marriage. You had no time to get to know your partner before marriage. When I began having marriage problems with my husband I later divorced my pastor admitted to us that this was true, but it didn't matter. He boasted he, as christian man, could be in a marriage relationship with ANY christian woman and have a successful marriage. Any christian could marry any other christian and just follow the Biblical formula and it would all be peachy.

That's when I left. I just couldn't. I mean,

And yeah, leaving is scary. And it's hard. It's hard to start over and build from the ground up, but it's doable. I hope Anne can leave. If she stays with Josh I'm afraid it will just give him the idea he can do whatever he wants and his wife will still be the same sweet woman who stays by his side no matter what.

He might have his reasons why he wants out of marriage. And if so, I hope he has the balls to just come out and say so and put Anna out of the misery of living with an unfaithful and disinterested spouse. It would be far better, IMHO, for them to separate now and make new lives for themselves than stay together and continue to produce more offspring while Josh continues to do whatever the hell he wants.

[jerkit]

"A man’s greatest battle is his sexual drive and desire, just as a woman’s greatest battle is her emotional make-up and need to control those closest to her to try and get her seeming “needs†met."

This is the first time I've read Lori's blog and oh my :shock:

It's a trainwreck you'll never be able to look away from ;)

[LouisvilleGirl]

I fear for the Duggar boys. Yet again they might have to suffer because JimChelle thinks if Josh does something then that means it's contagious for all the boys. This is partially JimChelle fault. Growing up in a sexually suppressed environment and marrying for sex doesn't make it better. It makes it worse. It's like putting a small band aid on a huge ass wound. Poor Anna is going to be blamed.

Am I wrong for hoping this turns into the tiger woods scandal. Where women come out and state how many times they slept with him and what he likes to do. Maybe even a child out of wedlock and Josh secretly paying her off or paying her to abort. Because you know damn well these conservative politicians are all prolife until their side piece gets pregnant.

I was just thinking the same thing last night! There is DEFINITELY more to this story. The only person who knows how big of a mess this truly is is Smugger. We shall see. (but with all of the time I have spent on this site and following the news, it better be good!)

[nelliebelle1197]

I want the person who comes forward to have been preop transgender! ..And that Joshie didn't know! :o

Oh Please!

Oh please!

Seriously? Christ on a cracker. That is insulting on so many levels.

[formergothardite]

"A man’s greatest battle is his sexual drive and desire, just as a woman’s greatest battle is her emotional make-up and need to control those closest to her to try and get her seeming “needs†met."

This is the first time I've read Lori's blog and oh my :shock:

You will need all the rescue ferrets(I think they have names and some are dressed modestly with green eye liner)if you are going to dive into the insanity that is Ken and Lori. They awful, awful awful people.

[3_and_counting]

I am SHOCKED to see how many people are hoping this gets worse. I mean, really? His poor wife is having to deal with all of this during her PP days and if you've never had a child, those days can be harsh emotionally when things are going perfectly. It is awful that so many want it to get so much worse. Do I think there's more to this, yes. Do I think he needs help, yes. Do I think she will leave him, no. She genuinely loves him and it's unconditional. How dare anyone wish this on anyone, let alone a young mother of 4 with the baby only being 4 wks old. She has enough to deal with right now. She doesn't need anymore. Sheesh!

[Queen Of Hearts]

I see two ways this could actually end well (ugh) for Josh.

1.) DQ and Boob (and maybe Anna) wash their hands of him to save face. Out of spite, and maybe desperation for money, Josh writes the Duggar tell-all book. I actually thought he might be the one to do it after the molestation story broke, but now I am more convinced that if anyone does it it will be him. Of all the Duggars, Josh seems to have been the most screwed up by the cult... if he realizes this he will be pissed and will let the world know.

2.) Josh and Anna work through these troubles. They write a book about surviving Christian marriage after infidelity. They go on a speaking circuit. Josh and Anna are suddenly the poster child for having a strong Christian marriage after adversity.

I am personally hoping for #1... I want a tell-all book!

On another note, I am sure TLC is kicking themselves for dropping the Duggars right now. Getting this aftermath caught on film would have been ratings gold!

[Mothership]

...... And, there it is ..... Had a feeling it would go that way :(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... e-sex.html

Actually, this is REALY bad journalism. Anna has not yet "blamed herself". This is a rehash of the People article where an insider (likely Famy) has suggested that she will. Dailylmail has taken a speculation and put it in a headline as a done deal.

PLEASE ANNA-don't do it!

[Cleopatra7]

I see two ways this could actually end well (ugh) for Josh.

1.) DQ and Boob (and maybe Anna) wash their hands of him to save face. Out of spite, and maybe desperation for money, Josh writes the Duggar tell-all book. I actually thought he might be the one to do it after the molestation story broke, but now I am more convinced that if anyone does it it will be him. Of all the Duggars, Josh seems to have been the most screwed up by the cult... if he realizes this he will be pissed and will let the world know.

2.) Josh and Anna work through these troubles. They write a book about surviving Christian marriage after infidelity. They go on a speaking circuit. Josh and Anna are suddenly the poster child for having a strong Christian marriage after adversity.

I am personally hoping for #1... I want a tell-all book!

On another note, I am sure TLC is kicking themselves for dropping the Duggars right now. Getting this aftermath caught on film would have been ratings gold!

I don't think it would work. The only time the Duggars showed any real emotions was during Josie's emergency birth and the Jubilee fiasco. Otherwise, they always had those plastered on godbot smiles, because of the ridiculous notion that they have to be joyful all the time. To see actual, blazing fury from the Duggars would certainly be a welcome change from the Stepford family grins, but even then I think they are so alienated from their feelings that they wouldn't be able to explain why they're angry, except maybe to say, "Josh made Jesus cry" or something like that.

[formergothardite]

I am SHOCKED to see how many people are hoping this gets worse. I mean, really? His poor wife is having to deal with all of this during her PP days and if you've never had a child, those days can be harsh emotionally when things are going perfectly. It is awful that so many want it to get so much worse. Do I think there's more to this, yes. Do I think he needs help, yes. Do I think she will leave him, no. She genuinely loves him and it's unconditional. How dare anyone wish this on anyone, let alone a young mother of 4 with the baby only being 4 wks old. She has enough to deal with right now. She doesn't need anymore. Sheesh!

I don't wish it get worse. This is horrible enough. I do wish that people would realize that the way he was raised could have contributed to his behavior.

[Marissap]

...... And, there it is ..... Had a feeling it would go that way :(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... e-sex.html

If any of this is true it just confirms what we all know....that she's a fucking brainwashed idiot. No further sympathy at all if she is choosing this going forward. None

[browncoatslytherin]

GMA is doing a story on Smuggar. They are including scenes of him singing to Anna at their wedding, and mention of him molesting his own sisters. It's kind of funny, but so far as I know, Smuggars name is the only one to really become public in this Ashley Madison release.

still catching up, but just as a note, not all of the hack was released at once. the first release was 10g, that was the one with josh's info in it. there was a second release that was 20g - double in size - so more prominent names may come out yet. if the hackers got all am account info, i doubt they're done releasing it.

[VaSportsMom]

If any of this is true it just confirms what we all know....that she's a fucking brainwashed idiot. No further sympathy at all if she is choosing this going forward. None

I hope that somebody will talk to her about the likelihood of him cheating again if she chooses to stay. She also needs to know what can be done to change that number.

I desperately hope that someone tells her that choosing to stay doesn't mean choosing to trust him unconditionally. She has every right to monitor his phone and computer usage. She has every right to be angry and to express that anger. She isn't powerless, she deserves better and she needs to hear those things.

[Analytica49]

I take a short vacation from the online world to visit with family, and what happens?? Another Josh crisis. :pink-shock:

I am amazed, appalled, and (in a schadenfreudenlich way) delighted. (It's been years since I studied German, so I'm not sure I made the adjective correctly from the noun. And if it's not a real adjective, it should be--it applies so well to me.)

Here's my comment (which, after doing a search, I don't think anyone has yet made): How on earth did Smuggar have TIME for all this? Think of what was involved for him:

First, he obviously spent a lot of time online. He had to learn about OK Cupid and Ashley Madison; he may have chosen them over other possible online cheating "options." He had to create his profiles. Then he had to deal with whatever replies he got--if he got any. (And I gather that some responses are real and some are invented, at least in the case of A.M.) I'm assuming he did get replies, at least on A.M.; that would explain why he maintained his membership and renewed it.

Then he had to decide which message(s) to reply to, and decide how to reply.

Then, assuming he and the responder were both interested, he had to meet with her. And unless she had the "lovenest" he was hoping for, he (and maybe she) had to arrange for a place to meet.

Then there are the actual meetings themselves, which I will not allow myself to imagine (since I think Smuggars is just as unattractive as his Howdy-Doody-Daddy). If he really likes "cuddles" and "foreplay", then each meeting will be longer than, say, five minutes. Let's say, a minimum of an hour(?). And he had to travel to and from them.

And maybe he did this repeatedly.

And he did this while he had two, then three young children, a wife whose whole world revolves around him, and a job that (even though he shares its morally repugnant goals and premises) seems to have been stressful, at least at the beginning, judging by what we saw in the early shows about their lives in DC.

How the heck did he manage to fit all this in to his life?

Knowing the family he comes from, I doubt that Smuggar is a model of good time management. So I'm baffled as to how he did it.

[Hera]

Guys, my make-up shows no emotion at all. It just sits in various containers without comment. Should I be worried?

Did she mean "seaming" needs because the dress I was working on yesterday has 2 seams that need ripped out and redone.

This made my morning! :lol: :lol: :lol:

As for the rest, I find myself torn between being disgusted at Josh because no matter what your issues, reacting in a way that you know will hurt someone else, like, say your wife and kids, just makes you a selfish bastard of the highest order; contemptuous of JB and M because they let their emotional damage after a miscarriage start them down a path that has now hurt 24 people (and counting!) and you know they won't change; and just feeling sad for the lot of them. (Well, sans JB and M).

So sad for Anna. For her entire life, she's been told that if she plays the role of the perfect fundie wife, God will give her a husband to love and cherish her. She did everything she thought she was supposed to do and, well, it hasn't worked out real well. There is a part of her that will blame herself for this and believe that it is her fault, not just for not meeting Josh's needs ( :roll: ) but for not being good enough in general. And if she questions that self-criticism, she will go to hell. If she doesn't forgive, she will go to hell. If she doesn't double down and try to be the bestest little fundie wife ever, she will go to hell. Her trust, her love, and her loyalty have been broken and her faith has betrayed her. And she has no one to turn to who won't tell her to pray on it and God forgives. On top of that, she has been publicly humiliated - again - is still recovering from childbirth and, frankly, must be sick and sad and angry and pretty much "fuck it all" except she can't really say that because - hell. That shit festers.

And, even though I find his actions despicable, I feel sad for Josh, too. Like a lot of other people have said, if he'd just been allowed to go to real school and real college and law school like he dreamed, he'd probably just be outgrowing being a raging douche who tries to bang everything in sight and be ready to settle down and start a family and being a decent enough husband. Unfortunately, he didn't get that and he's just as trapped as Anna is. No education. Too many kids. No way to even voice wanting out without the overwhelming fear of hell beating him down. Shit, he can't even talk to the woman he's married to about how trapped he feels because (a) hell and (b) he doesn't know her, but he thinks he can't turn to her because of their religion because she won't understand - and he's maybe right. Thats a lot of head fuckery to go around.

I know Anna won't leave Josh over this. She can't. And marriages can survive infidelity. But if I could make one thing happen for Josh and Anna, it would be to send them to a real marriage counselor. Even a Christan one would work, as long as it's real counseling, not: Jesus says forgive, divorce is a sin you'll go to hell for and now go make more babies for the Lord!! Anna needs to be able to express her hurt, embarassment, rage and disappointment in Josh and in her religion (which let her down here) and she needs to have back up in establishing trust again and support in healing. And Josh needs a safe place to say he doesn't want a lot of kids. And to figure out what he does want to do with his life. Clearly, being a Mimi-JB isn't working for him. And they need to learn how to be equals and partners who can communicate and trust each other, even with feelings and thoughts that might send them to hell, not headship and broodmare living out a fake reality.

This is just the beginning, though. While I don't expect many of the J'Kids to stray too far from the anti-gay, anti-abortion bullshit rhetoric espoused by the evangelical community as a whole until it directly impacts them, I think the Gothard parts about courting and sex and marriage and all the babies EVAH will fall by the wayside. Josh and Anna are the first to implode. If they don't get real counseling, then this pattern will simply continue until one or the other leaves or breaks. Either way, the rest of the kids will see it. If it turns out that Jill cannot healthily have enough kids to make her own personal sports team, then I think Derrick will be okay with BC. The rest of the kids will see that, too. And, I'm pretty sure it won't take too long after Baby Seewald comes for Jessa and Ben to turn into just another too young couple who got married to the first person they could just to have Jesus Sanctioned Sex and aren't at all prepared for marriage and parenthood and the whole thing falls apart.

[justbecause]

Lori Alexander's much-awaited response!

lorialexander.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-josh-duggar-affair-continuing-in-sin.html

I'm not sure why she felt the need to make a graphic with a cutesy Pinterest font for this one . . .

I would like to comment on this post from a Biblical point of view.

First, I would like to point out that in the Bible Jesus during His life did not get negative with people, but the one instance was the Pharisee's who were the Jewish Church leaders of that time. The ENTIRE reason that Jesus put them in their place was because they were hypocrites. The Bible talks about hypocrites and God hates that and liars (not occasional ones, but ones who do it frequently) because those are moral (heart) issues, with someone 'acting' one way and being totally another person underneath.

I don't think most of that family's prayers are sincere, but more self-serving. God cares about the heart above all things. The Bible calls the heart the eyes of the soul.

I think all of this 'be sweet' shit is bullshit and God doesn't want that. These people have so misrepresented God and it makes me want to scream.

Like others have said, I don't think Josh is sorry and EACH of their lives has been built on lies and being hypocrites. Until these people get their hearts and motivations right, it is not pleasing to God.

I really look at them (JB, DQ, Josh) and really don't know what faith that they have or see that faith. I think it is a smokescreen where they 'cover' for themselves with all this self righteous B.S. that is obnoxious as hell.

Sorry about the rant. I won't talk about faith or belief anymore, but had to say that this is not Godliness. Far from it.

[Cleopatra7]

I hope that somebody will talk to her about the likelihood of him cheating again if she chooses to stay. She also needs to know what can be done to change that number.

I desperately hope that someone tells her that choosing to stay doesn't mean choosing to trust him unconditionally. She has every right to monitor his phone and computer usage. She has every right to be angry and to express that anger. She isn't powerless, she deserves better and she needs to hear those things.

The Daily Mail mentions that various "insiders" are telling Anna that she should have been more aware of Josh's "issues" and the "pressures" he was facing. But if his profiles are any indication, the real issues appear to be that he wants to be single and to be with a woman who is the exact opposite of Anna. Given this, there's not much Anna can do to stop Josh from cheating in the future, unless she completely changes her personality, like Sandy at the end of Grease. She's fooling herself if she thinks that prayer and further submission is going to save this sham of a marriage.

[browncoatslytherin]

I don't wish it get worse. This is horrible enough. I do wish that people would realize that the way he was raised could have contributed to his behavior.

i don't want it to get worse, either, but i anticipate the possibility of women coming out and grabbing their 15 minutes by talking about their affair with josh. family and kids haven't stopped mistresses from coming out before, unfortunately.

edited cuz i forgot a word. i can too writ gud.

[Seven Severn]

How many late nights at the office did he lie about? "Gosh, honey, the gays are still trying to be equal so I have to attend an emergency meeting tonight." .... "I know, I know, but what am I supposed to do?" .... "Give the kids a kiss goodnight for me and hopefully I'll be home by midnight. Pray for us!" What other valid-seeming excuses could he have used?

Also, how many times was he alone in D.C. (or anywhere else) when Anna and the kids were in Arkansas, Florida, or Illinois visiting family?

[3_and_counting]

i don't want it to get worse, either. i anticipate the possibility of women coming out and grabbing their 15 minutes by talking about their affair with josh. family and kids haven't stopped mistresses from coming out before, unfortunately.

I was referring to those who were saying they hoped it comes out that he got involved with a transgendered person and he didn't know or those who have said similar to that. Yes, he did wrong. Yes, he will have to pay for what he has done...but so is Anna.