Joshley Madison Pt 3: Storming Satan's Hidden Fortress

[zz22zz]

Did anyone keep track of the edits to Josh's statement?

As far as I can tell the one at the beginning of part 3 of this thread is the original....

Here is the current one...

Please see the statement below from our son Josh regarding recent media stories about him. When we learned of this late last night our hearts were broken. As we continue to place our trust in God we ask for your prayers for Josh, Anna, our grandchildren and our entire family.

Statement from Josh Duggar:

I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have been unfaithful to my wife.

I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him.

I have brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions.

The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country I was hiding my own personal failures.

As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all the hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example.

I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time.

Josh Duggar

[isarhenne]

First of all: I LOVE the title of part 3 :D

To be fair: Josh's singing voice is not THAT bad. It's ok in my book. But I don't like bride and groom singing at each other at their own wedding. that is overdoing it. the german language has very nice word for the feeling of being embarrassed for someone else while you see them doing it. "fremdschaemen" (fremd=stranger, strange, other person; schaemen= to be embarrassed, "shame" developed from the same word) that was feeling I had when I saw Josh singing at his wedding. but to each their own...

And I don't any of the Duggar children (not even the adults) know the the full story. They don't know about AM, they don't even know what porn really is, heck I don't think they have a concept of what cheating really is!!!!

They probably think Josh went out for lunch with a woman from work and the evil liberal media are playing it up again.

[hapamama]

Re: Anna and ownership of the Siloam Springs house.

Anna is on the title of the Siloam Springs house, which is titled to Joshua and Anna rather than the Duggar Properties LLC that owns 7 other properties in Benton County.

[meowmeow19]

I wonder where the Keller's are in all of this? What is going on in Ma and Pa's heads right now> I know if my dad was Anna's father, Josh would be packed and hitting road- blazing the dusty trail out of Dodge. My dad lives by the rule "You hurt my daughter, I'm coming to hurt you".

I'm hoping Ma and Pa Keller have gassed up the old Church van and are driving like maniacs to get to Arkansas to support their daughter. I hope they are mad as hell at Josh and they aren't taking any of this lying down. However, I have a feeling that they may go to Arkansas but once there they will surround Josh and the Duggar clan in prayer.

I'm really not a big advocate for violence believe me. But for once I would love to see Pa Keller get his tighty whiteys in a bunch over the mistreatment of one of his daughters. Maybe Pa Keller isn't a fighter, but I guarantee he knows some. If I were Pa Keller I would put the fear of God and the prison ministry into Josh, so Josh would be looking over his shoulder for a long time to come.

Sadly I don't think they will be rescuing their daughter. Pa Keller is in the prison ministry because he believes with Jesus you can over come and have redemption. I'm guessing he has told this to his daughter about her marriage. I mean they did allow their daughter to marry someone with a history, well that is if they were actually told in the first place. Pa Keller creeps me out waaaaay more than the Duggars ever will. He will give his chattel/daughters to anyone in the hopes up to moving up in fundie status.

I actually have more faith in Michelle and Jim Bob to support Anna than her own parents. I think they would say, if you want to work on this marriage they would help her, but if she was like i'm outta here they would help her financially. It will be interesting, I'm guessing she will break precedent and become more of the headship, total control of finances, internet and so on.

While we all worry what the fallout will have affect on the younger Duggar children and the Mkids, I do hope for some positive change. It could go both ways, they could clamp down on the few freedoms in Duggarprison or give some more guided freedoms to prepare them for the real world.

[DeFrauder]

OK I was thinking about the differences in pre-edited vs post edited Josh statement:

It seems that in the first statement he is suggesting that he was being unfaithful by looking at porn. That is a thing they believe.

The second statement just says that he WAS unfaithful.

I am thinking that maybe he tried to minimize his actions in the first post. Someone might have called him on that.

The pre-edit statement also invites speculation, which is something they would not want--I hope.

Or maybe it was---WTF! all this and you look at porn too????!!! :lol:

Thus far he hasn't been implicated as a user of porn, but he offered that tidbit up. He probably should have left his admission in.

[MalteseBaby]

I wonder where the Keller's are in all of this? What is going on in Ma and Pa's heads right now> I know if my dad was Anna's father, Josh would be packed and hitting road- blazing the dusty trail out of Dodge. My dad lives by the rule "You hurt my daughter, I'm coming to hurt you".

I'm hoping Ma and Pa Keller have gassed up the old Church van and are driving like maniacs to get to Arkansas to support their daughter. I hope they are mad as hell at Josh and they aren't taking any of this lying down. However, I have a feeling that they may go to Arkansas but once there they will surround Josh and the Duggar clan in prayer.

I'm really not a big advocate for violence believe me. But for once I would love to see Pa Keller get his tighty whiteys in a bunch over the mistreatment of one of his daughters. Maybe Pa Keller isn't a fighter, but I guarantee he knows some. If I were Pa Keller I would put the fear of God and the prison ministry into Josh, so Josh would be looking over his shoulder for a long time to come.

The way I understand fundy-ism and the reason it is so harmful to women, is that on Josh and Anna's wedding day, Pa Keller gave the headship authority for Anna and her life to Josh. Prior to that, under the patriarchal system, Mr. Keller had been Anna's headship. This is total and utter BS to me, and it shows how weak the women are to knuckle under and live like this. It's not 1690 in Colonial Williamsburg, it's 2015 and women have liberties and rights to be independent of any man or other " authority" if she want to do so.

So, for all her LIFE, if she stays in Gothardism, Anna will have no say whatsoever in being married, being abused, being cheated on, getting little to eat, little to no help raising a stinking hell hole of a house of children, or anything else of consequence.

I don't really care. Anna has a brain, but she hasn't used it. If she chose to stay with a molester after he molested 5 young girls, and then marry him and start popping out their own little girls, she's not all with it mentally and emotionally. We make our own lot in life.

My parents could pound their Bibles and quote scripture to me all they wanted to, and they did so, but when I decided to be an adult at the age of 18 and live my own life in my own house in my own way alone, I did it and to hell with them. I know I've made mistakes along the way but not the kind that hurt other people, and I'm proud that no one owns me or controls me. The thought is truly frightening to me. Why not just move to an oppressive country with no personal freedoms and be a martyr?

There is NO martyrdom in giving up your personal life to another.

[SoybeanQueen]

I feel sorry for Anna in that being cheated on is horrible, and finding out because your husband is suddenly in the headlines (again) is even worse. Add in the timing with a newborn and it just really sucks for her. Maybe she really believed that he was rehabilitated after the molestation of his sisters, but this newest problem is much more recent and impossible to blame on youth.

I don't feel sorry for her remaining a quiverfuller as an adult. Plenty of people have crappy childhoods, or are raised in cults, and they get out and move on. I'm sure it's very difficult to go against everything one was raised with, but it's possible.

[YoshiCat]

Isn't it funny when conservative christians do something wrong they don't want people to judge because we're all sinners but when someone else does something they're going to hell and we can judge them all we want. Thumper/christian logic... There are still thumpers defending his behavior.

They tend to have a "it's different when we do it" attitude. I think the logic goes something like this: I'm a good, church-going, god-loving conservative person, so it's just a little slip-up when I do it. Other people are heathens who admit to enjoying sex, so it's wrong when they do it.

[YoshiCat]

I keep thinking that Josh's statement is so unlike the ones these "family values" types tend to make. They usually try to waffle/rationalize/distance themselves and otherwise obfuscate.

They never want to admit that they actually did something, but Josh seems almost eager to confess and make it clear that he did it. He all but says "stop speculating about the ways it might not actually be true, because that's me, I'm guilty."

Josh comes right out and says he's a hypocrite. I really thought these people were unaware of the existence of hypocrisy.

And when some people were speculating on the wording, thinking maybe he looked at porn but didn't actually sleep with someone else, the statement was revised to remove the porn and make it clear that he did actually have sex with someone other than his wife.

It just seems so unusual for any political figure to seem so eager to confess and make sure that we understand exactly what he did.

It almost seems like a bit of an "F.U." to the religious conservative world. Even when the statement referenced Satan, it said "I let Satan do it" instead of some form of "satan is strong and I was weak so it's not really my fault."

[meowmeow19]

I have to say, I watched both Faux News and CNN headlines of Josh Duggar and both of them condemned Josh. Even the Fox News anchor laughed out of disbelief. Can't wait to see what my bae Bill Maher has to say this friday.

[Dandruff]

I wonder who broke the news to Jim Bob. Can't have been pretty...

[goldfishgoddess]

CNN has a good report with video, and they have independently confirmed the records are true.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/20/us/josh-duggar-ashley-madison/index.html

[16strong]

I wonder who broke the news to Jim Bob. Can't have been pretty...

To be a fly on that wall!

[HuggleMonster]

DailyFail has an article up. Using quotes from the previous thread as insider information.

Great journalism there.

[truthseeker]

...... And, there it is ..... Had a feeling it would go that way :(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... e-sex.html

[justbecause]

...... And, there it is ..... Had a feeling it would go that way :(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... e-sex.html

I think what's really sad is who know's what turns that creep on. He may have wanted someone else for any reason. Some kind of weird fettish or something. He may have just wanted to experience sex with someone else. Who knows with this weird family. Maybe it was the 'sex toys' thing.

[truthseeker]

I think what's really sad is who know's what turns that creep on. He may have wanted someone else for any reason. Some kind of weird fettish or something. He may have just wanted to experience sex with someone else. Who knows with this weird family. Maybe it was the 'sex toys' thing.

It could be anything. I suspect Anna is a 'missionary only' kind of gal - as she hasn't had any exposure to any other ideas. Doesn't excuse him though.

[truthseeker]

Can't wait to see what Jill Rodrigues has to say about this one. ;)

[Pixie_Ham]

One thing that keeps coming back to me when I'm reading through this is how this whole scandal really does come back to his upbringing.

I'm not in anyway trying to exonerate Josh here but here's my thought process:

Josh is 27, he got married at 20/1...with no life experience and no other options for having a relationship with a girl. It always surprised me to realise in the real world he's so young. He's been brought up with an extremely skewed and perverted sense of sex with no option of expressing these natural desires himself. In the real world I honestly believe he wouldn't be married now. He'd have had, like most of us, a string of relationships that ultimately did not go the distance. But as he was cloistered inside this cult mentality that normal and rational behaviour was denied him with the only option of exploring his natural desires being marriage, and option which he followed... Additionally there are probably things he wanted to do in the bedroom that he genuinely felt he couldn't bring up to Anna. In that sense you can sort of see how it was inevitable that Josh would ended up cheating.

Like I said, not trying to exonerate him at all. He's a lying cheater who cheats and no amount of excuses about how he ended up in this situation absolves the fact that he disregarded his responsibility to Anna and his kids. I just guess I'm trying to see it as another example of how this warped mentality puts people on a trajectory which ends up having a massive fall-out. I've always had a problem believing that courtship could really produce healthy relationships, unless both parties were equally invested for the same reasons,and I guess that's what I'm trying to think through here.

[Bunnybutts]

If she blames herself at all, partially or fully, then she sees herself as a total failure in their marriage. Her job, as she sees it, is too keep his highness happy all the time. If she doesn't and he has to go looking else where she's seen as a failure by herself and all the rest of their cult. That is truly disgusting. Josh is a loser and chose his actions. No one is to blame but him. For anyone to place any blame on Anna is just plain evil.

I imagine she is having a great deal of trouble dealing with the range of emotions she is going through. Poor woman.

[nike!fashion]

Back when Mackynzie was first born, there was an episode which led me to believe that Josh was cheating on Anna. I just rewatched it (after putting my life on hold to read all these threads) and its very telling. It's the "Duggars say cheese" episode. Josh is very late (with no useful excuse)for the family picture and in my opinion, Anna's worry is all over her face as she keeps calling him repeatedly. I thought it then, and watching it again, I definitely see it.

Another episode that aired the week before, "duggars do dinner" when the Bontrager family comes for dinner, no one can pronounce their name, and they watch them sing at church, and Anna is steering clear of Josh at all times. She is not gazing up at him, clinging to him, or sitting anywhere near him in the church.

I think there's a good possibility this has been going on, and that Anna has known, for quite a while (since baby #1). I believe his lack of self control was and is evident with the weight gain, and she essentially blames herself in part for that too, as does he. I agree she will never, ever leave.

I think that any other time, his parents might have caught on that something was wrong, but at the time, they were preoccupied with Josie's vast medical needs and ignoring ALL of their other children. Oh, and trying to have another one of course!

Sorry this is so long. I have no one irl who cares (obsesses) about this family like I do.

[Luisainlondon1]

I doubt Anna would refuse to have sex when Josh wants to. I have the feeling it was the other way round. Do you remember the one episode (when they went to Chicago in their RV?) she said she wants another baby and was poking Josh who only smirked and couldn't even look her in the eyes. I don't really think that Anna's not available for sex but Josh was just bored of her. That happens in a lot of marriages and Anna is definitely not the type of woman who will try new things.

I would even say that Josh saw more opportunities to have affairs when they moved to DC (and aside from the job itself and getting away from Arkansas that could have been a reason to move). It's much easier there than in Arkansas where everyone knows him.

Of course Anna will get blamed for Josh's affairs, that's for sure. Boob and Mechelle will never admit that how they raised their kids just sucks.

[Marilla-Cuthbert2013]

5 Kids 6 Months...

She did not mince words on her FB Page. The comments though, were equally damning. Yeah...if this is indicative of what people are feeling. It will be interesting to read other blogs in the upcoming days.

When Susannah was more public on her social media, you could tell there was no love lost between her and Josh. I wonder if she suspected something?

[VaSportsMom]

I was excited to only be 3 pages behind then I discovered thread 3 was awaiting me.

[Percy]

Finally caught up. I also believe that if Josh had received counselling earlier, this would not have happened. Josh has grown and now appears to want a partner, not to continue to be a Headship. Anna continues to fulfill the role that is expected of her, I think she is happy with that. I think Josh does not want more children but Anna has bought into the lifestyle and expects more. I think they are both on completely different pages in their lives.

I have just spent a week at the World Prostate Cancer Congress where a very experienced psychologist talked about couples therapy - both separately and together, with couples who had been affected by prostate cancer. These couples had to negotiate a new 'norm'.

Josh and Anna need professional help to establish their new 'norm', be it together or apart.

I also agree that Josh wants out. He has chosen not to play by the rules and needs to go. Guilt and expectation is keeping him where he is.