The Duggars' Megyn Kelly Lie-a-Thon Shit Show- Part 2

[Jilltoo]

I feel like this idea that the Duggars lied when they said Josh confessed to doing it, because this 'differs from the police report' really needs to be addressed, as it keeps popping up. This assertion does NOT differ from the police report. In fact, it is pretty obvious that, based on the narrative in the police report, Josh WAS the first to report his own misdeeds to his parents, and most likely was the one to report it to them again. You can argue that Jim Bob lied in the police report, but you really cannot argue that their statements on this now contradict the report from 2006.

I agree! I fail to see the descripency.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

So Josh asked for and received forgiveness.

How about JB and M? Have they asked for forgiveness for the many grievous sins that they have committed in terms of their children?

I've yet to hear that question asked or answered.

In their warped mind they don't think they have done anything requiring forgiveness.

DHS told them they handled it better than most.

The victims think their parents did such a great job dealing with it that they are going to treat their children the same way.

Jim bob and Michelle are saints in this scenario.

[Pandie5]

Oh I am sure the way in touch keeps trickling out info and responding to the Duggars that they have much more.

This has just started for them and is a goldmine for in touch.

You know.the Duggars are just waiting for the other shoe to drop and they are scrambling to control the narrative.

I wouldn't doubt someone has the letter sent to Oprah. But, although that can launch a police investigation, it probably has legal issues. It wasn't meant for public record. It accidentally got out. So who knows if a private letter can be released. But someone in that house was hiding it. That issue alone should teach JB to back off the media. His own beliefs say God reveals everything He wants known. No one SEARCHED his house for that letter.

God let it out.

On that subject, was it in the police report that JB declined to read the letter. Implying that he already knew what it contained and who wrote it? I wonder if it was Josh confessing his thoughts or a girl telling her experience.

I also truly believe someone else in that house was molested or worse by someone outside of the home. Sadly. And the way Michelle talks about not giving ANY part of your heart away before marriage, my spidey sense says that she was NOT a virgin when she met JB. Otherwise she is waaaaay too borderline a personality. Because who stays that worked up over falling in love and breaking up after you're in a stable marriage with kids?

Edited to add: The cynical part of me believes this is a controlled release by the Duggars. The leak to In Touch, all of it. To get attention and spread their ministry. The super snarky side of me says Jill did it to overshadow Jessa's pregnancy. :penguin-no: Did anyone see that Gothard launched his new website on the day of the first interview? I wonder if he was expecting new business inquiries?

[ApologistsBeDamned]

I dont believe in forgiveness, I believe in digesting the hurt, anger and other emotions that comes with being truelly hurt by someone and eventually moving on (not a static thing, sometimes wounds can be reopened).

For me it has nothing to do with the other one. It is about selfpreservation, but not wanting ill will on the other, but also not wanting any form of contact with them anymore.

The example mentioned about immediate forgiveness and -I think- the mormons who's children were held hostage and eventually murdered is totally foreign for me. Although I dont believe in forgiveness, I can understand that other people can do this, but it still seems like a process, not something that is granted immediately.

For me forgiveness has nothing to do with a god and really is just me not dwelling on what what was done. I can move on quickly from some things and for other things it takes a long process.

And it all revolves around whether the other person recognizes they hurt me and are not still doing the same thing to hurt me or someone else.

And if you have done some thing so bad that you have to keep working on forgiveness then I don't need you in my life.

[singsingsing]

And the way Michelle talks about not giving ANY part of your heart away before marriage, my spidey sense says that she was NOT a virgin when she met JB. Otherwise she is waaaaay to borderline a personality. Becuase who stays hat worked up over falling in love and breaking up after you're in a stable marriage with kids?

You clearly haven't had much experience inside the world of conservative evangelical Christianity, much less fundamentalism. This is the woman who almost cried on TV when she thought her knees might have been exposed. You should check out Boundless.org (part of Focus on the Family geared toward young adults) if you want to see what conservative Christian gals get fed re: giving away pieces of their hearts. And keep in mind that Boundless is positively liberal compared to the Duggars and their ilk.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

I am late coming into this thread, and I apologize if I'm repeating something someone else already said.

There's a name that has still mostly stayed out of the news spotlight regarding this, and that name is Jim Holt. Given that he was a mandated reporter, he may have believed that he was doing his duty as a mandated reporter by going with Josh to report it to the cops. He wasn't, but he may have believed he was.

Not even the DemoZette has touched the fact he claimed to be an elder at the same church Jim Bob claimed to be a deacon in while running for office, and also worked at Piney Ridge as a chaplain. (I wonder how the treatment facility feels about hearing their program dismissed as ineffective now, wasn't the reason they claimed in 2006 they didn't want Josh in there was that he might associate with other offenders?) If he's their source about being the Duggar's witness when "reporting" it, though, that's a reason for them to not pursue the story about his illegal behavior further. Because no, reporting it months after the fact isn't meeting mandated reporter obligations.

Which I think Jim Bob is very aware of. Notice how many times he mentioned that phrase in the interview, and how he's backed away from the "church" story.

I wrote to various new outlets include the dem gazette asking them to investigate the jim holt mandated reporter connection. We will see if anyone does so.

I beleive jim holt also broke the law here.

[DuggarWatch]

Watching Jill and Jessa, they have been coached. Almost word for word what their useless excuse for parents said.

Spot on! They were coached and here's the proof:

"Public records spin. Public records obtained by In Touch of a plane used by the Duggars show that it flew to the location of their crisis public relations specialist prior to giving these interviews in an attempt to save their TLC show. A source confirms to In Touch that the Duggars met with their own PR team to create a strategy for the interviews. All of the Duggars attacked the situation with demonstrably false statements against people and entities involved in the case, including Jim Bob’s strong suggestion that the Springdale police chief took a bribe to release the police report. These false statements were left unchallenged by Fox’s Kelly."

From: http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/11-t ... view-60110

[ApologistsBeDamned]

I wouldn't doubt someone has the letter sent to Oprah. But, although that can launch a police investigation, it probably has legal issues. It wasn't meant for public record. It accidentally got out. So who knows if a private letter can be released. But someone in that house was hiding it. That issue alone should teach JB to back off the media. His own beliefs say God reveals everything He wants known. No one SEARCHED his house for that letter.

God let it out.

On that subject, was it in the police report that JB declined to read the letter. Implying that he already knew what it contained and who wrote it? I wonder if it was Josh confessing his thoughts or a girl telling her experience.

I also truly believe someone else in that house was molested or worse by someone outside of the home. Sadly. And the way Michelle talks about not giving ANY part of your heart away before marriage, my spidey sense says that she was NOT a virgin when she met JB. Otherwise she is waaaaay to borderline a personality. Becuase who stays hat worked up over falling in love and breaking up after you're in a stable marriage with kids?

I have long suspected Michelle wasn't a virgin or had done more than kissing. I wonder if something was done to or with her to drive her at 15 to start going to church and change so radically.

We also know Jim Bob has never let her forget her teen sins.

I don't understand this protecting your heart. What stops heart break if the person you are courting decides not to go into an engagement? Doesn't that break your heart?

Also do they never get turned down asking for a courtship? Doesn't that break your heart?

I understand that sex leads to feelings for many people so trying to protect yourself from having sex to early in a relationship makes some sense but then these people seem to think no sex means never having heart break.

That makes no sense.

[SassyPants]

You clearly haven't had much experience inside the world of conservative evangelical Christianity, much less fundamentalism. This is the woman who almost cried on TV when she thought her knees might have been exposed. You should check out Boundless.org (part of Focus on the Family geared toward young adults) if you want to see what conservative Christian gals get fed re: giving away pieces of their hearts. And keep in mind that Boundless is positively liberal compared to the Duggars and their ilk.

Are you able to rap your mind around the notion that the Duggars would consider hand holding or private conversations between a courting man and woman, impure, yet are able to reconcile sibling molestation as not leading to impurity? If so, can you explain that reasoning within the context of Fundamentalism? TIA-

[Pandie5]

You clearly haven't had much experience inside the world of conservative evangelical Christianity, much less fundamentalism. This is the woman who almost cried on TV when she thought her knees might have been exposed. You should check out Boundless.org (part of Focus on the Family geared toward young adults) if you want to see what conservative Christian gals get fed re: giving away pieces of their hearts. And keep in mind that Boundless is positively liberal compared to the Duggars and their ilk.

Dang. What I already knew of evangelicals from growing up in the South already scared me enough. I don't think I need to know more. So she's beating herself up over and over for stuff before she was 15, when she supposedly became a Christian?

[ApologistsBeDamned]

It was odd that Jill had on a skirt short enough to show her knees but they blurred her knees on TLC just recently when she was getting a pedicure while in labor.

Did she think her legs wouldn't be shown at all? Or was the blurring moms idea on the show or was it TLC being snarky?

I have always suspected TLC in some ways gets little jabs in here and there. Like with the show where Annanwas having a fit over her missing Vibrator (baby bouncer chair) and they went on and on with clip after clip of her syaing it and then had a clip where one of younger boys laughed, wiggled his eyebrows about jt. Which I suspect he probably didn't really know what an actual vibrator was.

Although maybe he did and this family is a complete farce.

Serious riffles damn auto correct made me look like I was off my meds.

[Pandie5]

I agree! I fail to see the descripency.

Thanks. I must be confusing the police report with reposts of the original rumors from long ago.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

Are you able to rap your mind around the notion that the Duggars would consider hand holding or private conversations between a courting man and woman, impure, yet are able to reconcile sibling molestation as not leading to impurity? If so, can you explain that reasoning within the context of Fundamentalism? TIA-

I never could reconcile how JB M thought it was acceltable to kiss and grope and hump each other while continually getting kncked up and discussing what married people are allowed to do.

BUT no front hugging your own kids or allowing your kids to ever be alone.

It takes a special sort of logic to justify that crap.

And I dont mean to say the other poster is justifying anything.

I mean how jim bob and mich and other fundies justify their constant defrauding the rest of the world with their PDAs.

[SassyPants]

I never could reconcile how JB M thought it was acceltable to kiss and grope and hump each other while continually getting kncked up and discussing what married people are allowed to do.

BUT no front hugging your own kids or allowing your kids to ever be alone.

It takes a special sort of logic to justify that crap.

And I dont mean to say the other poster is justifying anything.

I mean how jim bob and mich and other fundies justify their constant defrauding the rest of the world with their PDAs.

I would have thought that with what happened with Josh and their daughters within their own home, would have at least given JB and M some time to pause and reflect on their own overtly sexual behaviors, and how those behaviors might have contributed to Josh's feelings and actions.

BUT>>>the incidents per JB and M happened in 2002 and 2003

Justin was born in Nov 2002

Jackson was born in May 2004

Hannie, Oct 2005

It seems it was business as usual in the Duggar home.

[Snarkle Motion]

I feel like this idea that the Duggars lied when they said Josh confessed to doing it, because this 'differs from the police report' really needs to be addressed, as it keeps popping up. This assertion does NOT differ from the police report. In fact, it is pretty obvious that, based on the narrative in the police report, Josh WAS the first to report his own misdeeds to his parents, and most likely was the one to report it to them again. You can argue that Jim Bob lied in the police report, but you really cannot argue that their statements on this now contradict the report from 2006.

I've only skimmed the police report, but didn't one of the girls come to her parents crying? I think the problem is that they are making it seem like Josh confessed every time and had he not no one would have known. Like the girls wouldn't have been upset or even known anything was wrong and my understanding was that the girls did report being distressed by the treatment. The way the Duggars are spinning it is that a girl was that he may have had his hands slip and no one would have known except that he confessed to having improper thoughts/motives when the police report does state the girls seemed to be aware and distressed.

[Pandie5]

I never could reconcile how JB M thought it was acceltable to kiss and grope and hump each other while continually getting kncked up and discussing what married people are allowed to do.

BUT no front hugging your own kids or allowing your kids to ever be alone.

It takes a special sort of logic to justify that crap.

And I dont mean to say the other poster is justifying anything.

I mean how jim bob and mich and other fundies justify their constant defrauding the rest of the world with their PDAs.

And they fail to see that they have defrauded everyone by turning themselves into Idols, taking the worlds attention away from God. Lol. The tip could just as easily been from a disgruntled Bill Gothard. Even the beginning of mainstream LDS had its power struggles involving murder and rumors by elders. In fact, some of those murders were why Mitt Romney's grandparents/greatgrands? fled to Mexico for a generation or two.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

I've only skimmed the police report, but didn't one of the girls come to her parents crying? I think the problem is that they are making it seem like Josh confessed every time and had he not no one would have known. Like the girls wouldn't have been uupset or even known anything was wrong and my understanding was that the girls did report being distressed by the treatment. The way the Duggars are spinning it is that a girl was that he may have had his hands slip and no one would have known except that he confessed to having improper thoughts/motives when the police report does state the girls seemed to be aware and distressed.

If I am recalling the Megyn interview correctly they seem to have implied Josh came to them even more times than the police summary states.

But also there were incidents in the police summary where one of the girls told on him.

It also took him abusing the youngest girl fornthem to realize he bad a problem their prayers couldn't fix.

They let him cry to him over and over again and did nothing.

Disgusting.

[Snarkle Motion]

It was odd that Jill had on a skirt short enough to show her knees but they blurred her knees on TLC just recently when she was getting a pedicure while in labor.

Did she think her legs wouldn't be shown at all? Or was the blurring moms idea on the show or was it TLC being snarky?

I have always suspected TLC in some ways gets little jabs in here and there. Like with the show where Annanwas having a fit over her missing Vibrator (baby bouncer chair) and they went on and on with clip after clip of her syaing it and then had a clip where one of younger boys laughed, wiggled his eyebrows about jt. Which I suspect he probably didn't really know what an actual vibrator was.

Although maybe he did and this family is a complete farce.

Serious riffles damn auto correct made me look like I was off my meds.

You know what I'm having a hard time understanding? That they made Josie put on her jacket at the wedding lest she be immodest but during her seizure they showed her topless at the hospital. I don't think there is anything wrong with 5 year old girl being topless at the beach or running outside in sprinklers but I would not want my (hypothetical) child being broadcast to the world topless. Because there are sick people out there and because that will exist for all posterity and maybe this would be embarrassing to her?

I just do not understand them at all in terms of what is permissible to show on television and what needs to be blurred out. And you'd think with all their "safeguards" in place after Josh they would be extra sensitive about having their 5-year-old daughter appear on TV with no shirt.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

You know what I'm having a hard time understanding? That they made Josie put on her jacket at the wedding lest she be immodest but during her seizure they showed her topless at the hospital. I don't think there is anything wrong with 5 year old girl being topless at the beach or running outside in sprinklers but I would not want my (hypothetical) child being broadcast to the world topless. Because there are sick people out there and because that will exist for all posterity and maybe this would be embarrassing to her?

I just do not understand them at all in terms of what is permissible to show on television and what needs to be blurred out. And you'd think with all their "safeguards" in place after Josh they would be extra sensitive about having their 5-year-old daughter appear on TV with no shirt.

I have always wondered what say they actually have over what is blurred. They probably think Josie should have been blurred with her seizure but Tlc didn't agree and tv standards don't require.

Personally if I had kids I couldn't worry too much what others might do with pics of my kid but I also wouldn't put any pics online simply because I am a huge advocate of keeping a low online profile.. I also see no problem with kids being naked or girls being topless.

I know there are sickos out there but no one should have to live their life according to them. That is why Michelle and her no big boys laps or babysitting and no hide and go seek makes me livid.

And I grew up with a mother who was hyper vigilant because she had been sexually abused as a child. And even she, while religious didn't keep us from playing games, going topless as a child etc...

[ApologistsBeDamned]

Smut peddling porn mag (j/k) Cosmo has weighed in:

Cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/tv/a41464/the-duggar-parents-are-not-victims-they-are-perpetrators/

Just a taste...

>>>>>Josh confessed, and according to Michelle they put "safeguards" in place. Jim Bob said authoritatively, "Nothing like that ever happened again in the girls' bedrooms."

And it didn't. Instead it happened on the couch.

Again, Jim Bob took great pains to clarify that it wasn't like this was some sort of terrible violation. It was just a little sexual groping of one's sleeping sisters.

"This was not rape or anything like that," he assured Kelly and the Fox viewing audience. "This is like touching somebody over their clothes."

And it was. Until it wasn't.

"There were a couple incidents where he touched them under their clothes," Jim Bob said. "But it was a few seconds."

In other words, Josh comes to his parents to say he's molested his sisters in their bedroom. They don't do much beyond feel "devastated" (that word comes up a lot in the interview), watch him closely, and tell him not to do it again. He does it again, this time on the couch. They feel devastated. They watch him closely and tell him not to do it again. He does it again, this time under their clothes. At some point he also molests a babysitter. They feel devastated.<<<<<

[Jilltoo]

If I am recalling the Megyn interview correctly they seem to have implied Josh came to them even more times than the police summary states.

But also there were incidents in the police summary where one of the girls told on him.

It also took him abusing the youngest girl fornthem to realize he bad a problem their prayers couldn't fix.

They let him cry to him over and over again and did nothing.

Disgusting.

The report is redacted a lot, but I believe he came to them upset every single time. I didn't see a girl telling on him at all.

[singsingsing]

I've only skimmed the police report, but didn't one of the girls come to her parents crying? I think the problem is that they are making it seem like Josh confessed every time and had he not no one would have known. Like the girls wouldn't have been upset or even known anything was wrong and my understanding was that the girls did report being distressed by the treatment. The way the Duggars are spinning it is that a girl was that he may have had his hands slip and no one would have known except that he confessed to having improper thoughts/motives when the police report does state the girls seemed to be aware and distressed.

Josh was the one who came to his parents crying and confessed.

[singsingsing]

Are you able to rap your mind around the notion that the Duggars would consider hand holding or private conversations between a courting man and woman, impure, yet are able to reconcile sibling molestation as not leading to impurity? If so, can you explain that reasoning within the context of Fundamentalism? TIA-

I'm not 100% sure what you're asking me here, so forgive me if I'm totally off base.

But if you want my opinion on their ability to reconcile any kind of physical affection prior to marriage as being WRONG whereas sibling molestation is 'no big deal', it's that they're hypocrites. Their entire belief system forces them to reconcile incompatible notions like that constantly. They've been deluding themselves and so totally invested in attempting to delude everyone else for so long that it probably comes naturally to them at this point. Even to insist that the Bible is the literal and inerrant word of God as they do, you absolutely MUST do extreme mental gymnastics. They live in a world of shifting black and white. Things are either WRONG or RIGHT, but whether they're wrong or right wholly depends on whether they work for them and fit neatly into their preconceived ideals about the world. They're not looking for truth, they're constantly creating their own 'truth' to serve them better.

[laundry]

Spot on! They were coached and here's the proof:

"Public records spin. Public records obtained by In Touch of a plane used by the Duggars show that it flew to the location of their crisis public relations specialist prior to giving these interviews in an attempt to save their TLC show. A source confirms to In Touch that the Duggars met with their own PR team to create a strategy for the interviews. All of the Duggars attacked the situation with demonstrably false statements against people and entities involved in the case, including Jim Bob’s strong suggestion that the Springdale police chief took a bribe to release the police report. These false statements were left unchallenged by Fox’s Kelly."

From: http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/11-t ... view-60110

Nice article. I also liked this:

"And one final side note on the interview:

Kelly repeatedly attacked the media for reporting the story, but FOIA documents obtained by In Touch show that Fox also tried to get the police report to report the story AFTER it first came out. Their request was denied."

:shhh:

[ApologistsBeDamned]

The report is redacted a lot, but I believe he came to the

m upset every single time. I didn't see a girl telling on him at all.

On page 15 of the report that reads to me that a girl ran out of the room and told them what Josh had done.

Maybe I am reading it wrong with all the redactions.

As the kids statements are also so redacted and scripted I was never sure if the book reading incident was in fact him telling first or someone yelling for mom and dad and them him confessing.

Either way.tho he was crying out for help and they did nothing.