The Duggars' Megyn Kelly Lie-a-Thon Shit Show- Part 2

[calimojo]

well, Josh, as the oldest may have had access to the internet while the rest of them do not. Jana has had access longer than the other kids because she is the oldest living at home. Perhaps the parents allowed Josh some internet time for school or work and unbeknownst to them for a while, he was surfing around and found the porn. Of course, there is so much really terrible and and twisted porn that is very easy to find. But in the Duggar world, how they define Porn might be different.

Still, I can't imagine the impact finding really nasty porn would have on an extremely sheltered young man who has been raised with odd and incorrect info about sexuality and women. Porn in general, especially the stuff that is very easy to find online is fairly misogynistic, which would have only reinforced the programing that Josh had forced on him re: women as objects. No doubt there are porn sites that cater to women, or who show healthier aspects of sex, but most do not. For most normal people, we can distinguish between reality and fantasy. But In Josh's world, fantasy was considered shameful and sinful. When he saw the porn, he may have fully believed it was realistic.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

He was given a room at the new house for his hobby- I think it was videography? Maybe that required internet access. And it was a private room just for him... :shifty-kitty:

They didn't move into the new house until two years after he left for Little rock.

[notreality]

They didn't move into the new house until two years after he left for Little rock.

Damn! I wish Alice would get over here so we could grill her for details.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

Damn! I wish Alice would get over here so we could grill her for details.

I wish someone would do an interview and pin down the ambiguous timeline that the Duggars are selling.

[notreality]

It sounds like the guy who investigated the story didn't have trouble finding people to give him tips on the Duggars. If I were JB & M I would be concerned about the last answer he gives in this Q&A:

http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainm ... wn-duggars

I'm new so if I was supposed to break this link let me know.

[Pandie5]

I wish someone would do an interview and pin down the ambiguous timeline that the Duggars are selling.

I know, right? It's like they live in Mythology world, where an ending can occur before the beginning or something. Laws of time and space don't matter.

[2manyKidzzz]

It sounds like the guy who investigated the story didn't have trouble finding people to give him tips on the Duggars. If I were JB & M I would be concerned about the last answer he gives in this Q&A:

http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainm ... wn-duggars

I'm new so if I was supposed to break this link let me know.

I am confused as i thought the woman from In Touch who contacted the Duggar's neighbor on Instagram or Twitter, the woman who is a lesbian and was disgusted with the robocall.....i though she was the key player here. I don't understand this connection with this man and so maybe I just don't get it....or something.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

I know, right? It's like they live in Mythology world, where an ending can occur before the beginning or something. Laws of time and space don't matter.

I guess when you think the earth is only 6000 years old time is pretty irrelevant for little things like Joshy being a bad boy.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

I am confused as i thought the woman from In Touch who contacted the Duggar's neighbor on Instagram or Twitter, the woman who is a lesbian and was disgusted with the robocall.....i though she was the key player here. I don't understand this connection with this man and so maybe I just don't get it....or something.

I don't recall that in touch verified the lesbian was the impetus for the FOIA.

[Dutchdutch]

First post :cracking-up:

The journalist that broke the story via InTouch responded to the following question with this:

"Can't you dig up something good on that racist, antigay Duck Dynasty clan?"

journalist : "I’ll get on that, but I don’t think we’re done with the Duggars yet."

The girls have stated this:

Megyn - "this is it, right? Theres not another secret?"

Jill - "we've been through a lot and our viewers saw that. its not always easy but we've allowed the filminf and allowed people to see our struggles, see things that we've go through - josie, jubilee... this is another stuggle but its bringing the family closer together."

They dont answer the question, they are evasive. If the secret might be something we dont know is something we might find out in the future.

It also could be that the evasive answer falls back to the shady answers they are giving about the things they are speaking about. The not being truthfull in the interview.

EDit :I have a feeling because of this statement that there will be more dirt in the future.

Edit: I have trouble with quoting right and dont know if my post is something that wasnt mentioned before.

[ApologistsBeDamned]

First post :cracking-up:

The journalist that broke the story via InTouch responded to the following question with this:

"Can't you dig up something good on that racist, antigay Duck Dynasty clan?"

journalist : "I’ll get on that, but I don’t think we’re done with the Duggars yet."

The girls have stated this

Megyn - this is it, right? Theres not another secret?

Jill - we've been through a lot and our viewers saw that. its not always easy but we've allowed the filminf and allowed people to see our struggles, see things that we've go through - josie, jubilee... this is another stuggle but its bringing the family closer together.

They dont answer the question, they are evasive. If the secret might be something we dont know is something we might find out in the future.

It also could be that the evasive answer falls back to the shady answers they are giving about the things they are speaking about. The not being truthfull in the interview.

Oh I am sure the way in touch keeps trickling out info and responding to the Duggars that they have much more.

This has just started for them and is a goldmine for in touch.

You know.the Duggars are just waiting for the other shoe to drop and they are scrambling to control the narrative.

[2manyKidzzz]

There is a screencap somewhere on here showing the InTouch journalist in contact with the neighbor who hated the robocall and the idea put forth that that was the contact for In Touch expose. This is what i remember. I don't know where it is, but you HAVE to believe me. lol.

[Dutchdutch]

Oh I am sure the way in touch keeps trickling out info and responding to the Duggars that they have much more.

This has just started for them and is a goldmine for in touch.

You know.the Duggars are just waiting for the other shoe to drop and they are scrambling to control the narrative.

The rope they keep hanging themselves with it into a suffocating grip. Sadly they are hanging their kids with it too.

On the forgiving-part, im not raised with the bible, but isnt forgiveness (when believing) something that god or saint peter decides to do if you are at the pearly gates ?

[ApologistsBeDamned]

Lola Ogunnaike right now on Fox News saying it is ridiculous for the Duggars to think they are being treated harshly because they are christians.

She says had this been an Atheist family they would have thrown the book at them and raked them over the coals while the Duggars have been treated gently.

She also says if anyone should be on Megyn it should have been Josh.

So true!

[ApologistsBeDamned]

There is a screencap somewhere on here showing the InTouch journalist in contact with the neighbor who hated the robocall and the idea put forth that that was the contact for In Touch expose. This is what i remember. I don't know where it is, but you HAVE to believe me. lol.

Wasn't that just a screen cap of the lesbian on her own page claiming this while talking to her own sister? Not sure that is actual evidence. It also was timestamped after this story broke already.

Now if there is other evidence I am open for it but right now I am not convinced she was the sole reason.

It seems in touch has a gay journalist who did a fioa.

[2manyKidzzz]

Forgiveness is healthier for the person forgiving, as they don't have too carry the anger and hate and stew with it. Butt theses people make it seem that anyone can do anything and you automatically forgive them.

So many layers to that. I am not a person who easily forgives something that really upsets and hurts me. It would be bette for me if I could. But these people make it sound like you take a "pill" and then you are automatically ABLE to forgive. Perhaps it is all of the kool-aid. The Dalai Lama has a real handle on it.

But few people have his strength and depth of character. :o

[ApologistsBeDamned]

:?

There is a screencap somewhere on here showing the InTouch journalist in contact with the neighbor who hated the robocall and the idea put forth that that was the contact for In Touch expose. This is what i remember. I don't know where it is, but you HAVE to believe me. lol.

"The Advocate: Hi Rick. Congrats on the piece. How did you come to break this story?

Rick Egusquiza: Thank you. The rumors of Joshua Duggar being sexually inappropriate as a teenager were circulating for years, but no one could prove it until In Touch Weekly really started digging into it. My bosses received a tip and then sent me and a team to Springdale, Ark., to start digging around. One tipster led me to another, and then another. I have to say it was good old-fashioned reporting on the ground and a lot of door-knocking. Also a lot of leg work from our team of excellent reporters and editors. I'd love to take full credit, but it wasn't a one-man job. "

[ApologistsBeDamned]

The rope they keep hanging themselves with it into a suffocating grip. Sadly they are hanging their kids with it too.

On the forgiving-part, im not raised with the bible, but isnt forgiveness (when believing) something that god or saint peter decides to do if you are at the pearly gates ?

I am an Atheist who was raised going to Christian church until 10 and in my protestant religion forgiveness was automatic from jesus if you asked for it and repented.

People only forgave you really for themselves and because you shouldn't judge lest ye be judged. So essentially forgiveness was from god and not really from people.

I think the Duggars and Huckabee are essentialky saying "he asked for and received forgivness from god so the rest of us just have to accept that and move on."

[SassyPants]

So Josh asked for and received forgiveness.

How about JB and M? Have they asked for forgiveness for the many grievous sins that they have committed in terms of their children?

I've yet to hear that question asked or answered.

[2manyKidzzz]

:?

Okay, thanks I missed that connection. In Touch tipped them off. I read it but didn't quite get it.

The Duggars while spewing hate brought this all on themselves. Of course.

I blame JB and M completely. :cray-cray:

[singsingsing]

I feel like this idea that the Duggars lied when they said Josh confessed to doing it, because this 'differs from the police report' really needs to be addressed, as it keeps popping up. This assertion does NOT differ from the police report. In fact, it is pretty obvious that, based on the narrative in the police report, Josh WAS the first to report his own misdeeds to his parents, and most likely was the one to report it to them again. You can argue that Jim Bob lied in the police report, but you really cannot argue that their statements on this now contradict the report from 2006.

[Dutchdutch]

Forgiveness is healthier for the person forgiving, as they don't have too carry the anger and hate and stew with it. Butt theses people make it seem that anyone can do anything and you automatically forgive them.

So many layers to that. I am not a person who easily forgives something that really upsets and hurts me. It would be bette for me if I could. But these people make it sound like you take a "pill" and then you are automatically ABLE to forgive. Perhaps it is all of the kool-aid. The Dalai Lama has a real handle on it.

But few people have his strength and depth of character. :o

I dont believe in forgiveness, I believe in digesting the hurt, anger and other emotions that comes with being truelly hurt by someone and eventually moving on (not a static thing, sometimes wounds can be reopened).

For me it has nothing to do with the other one. It is about selfpreservation, but not wanting ill will on the other, but also not wanting any form of contact with them anymore.

The example mentioned about immediate forgiveness and -I think- the mormons who's children were held hostage and eventually murdered is totally foreign for me. Although I dont believe in forgiveness, I can understand that other people can do this, but it still seems like a process, not something that is granted immediately.

[moriah]

Why take a witness to the AR State police station (which btw in 2003 was the troop L trailer off the side of I-540. IT WASN'T HQ for anything but Troop L- it wasn't even a real station). But if you planned to turn your son in you don't take a witness to it just so the parents can prove josh told everything. That entire story makes no logical sense to me even in duggarville.

And i love how Mich complains people are slandering them by making up lies about them and twisting things. Oh you mean sort of like how you, Michelle, make up stuff about gays and transgenders being pedophiles and molesters?

Hypocritical Liars.

And they aren't even smart enough to do it well.

Cheeses, get your lies straight. It infuriates me when people can't lie well but insist on still lying.

I am late coming into this thread, and I apologize if I'm repeating something someone else already said.

There's a name that has still mostly stayed out of the news spotlight regarding this, and that name is Jim Holt. Given that he was a mandated reporter, he may have believed that he was doing his duty as a mandated reporter by going with Josh to report it to the cops. He wasn't, but he may have believed he was.

Not even the DemoZette has touched the fact he claimed to be an elder at the same church Jim Bob claimed to be a deacon in while running for office, and also worked at Piney Ridge as a chaplain. (I wonder how the treatment facility feels about hearing their program dismissed as ineffective now, wasn't the reason they claimed in 2006 they didn't want Josh in there was that he might associate with other offenders?) If he's their source about being the Duggar's witness when "reporting" it, though, that's a reason for them to not pursue the story about his illegal behavior further. Because no, reporting it months after the fact isn't meeting mandated reporter obligations.

Which I think Jim Bob is very aware of. Notice how many times he mentioned that phrase in the interview, and how he's backed away from the "church" story.

[chelleinchicago]

I'm trying to remember the words Jim Bob chose to use when referring to the effect the molestation had on his daughters. "the other ones". I know he minimized it, said they didn't know, were sleeping, etc. But he also said they got counseling after they'd been made aware. Just because, I guess.

The reason I ask, and this occurred to me last night, was that his choice of words seemed much stronger (in regard to the girls) when contemplating the cancellation of the show. THAT would "punish" them.

I know it's a small thing, but did he use ANY words that would reference a negative emotion/result when discussing the molestation's effect on the girls? I realize he's most concerned about Josh's record being released. Embarrassment and shame does tend to bring out the misplaced anger.

[Pandie5]

So Josh asked for and received forgiveness.

How about JB and M? Have they asked for forgiveness for the many grievous sins that they have committed in terms of their children?

I've yet to hear that question asked or answered.

In their world they don't have to apologize. They did everything they were supposed to according to Gothard law. The rest isbonnJosh. 'We tried to teach him right from wrong.' 'Despite training, kids will do what they want.'...

I wonder if a caring Christian at FRC will reach out to Josh and Anna and explain how their thinking is messed up. Or is FRC full of homeschooled shut ins? Someone there has to think Gothard isn't Biblically based.