Josh Duggar Admits to Molestation Rumors- Part 3

[3DMommy]

So I've ignored a lot things that set of my "creepy molester" spidey sense (worst super power ever, lol). But now I'm gonna post my thoughts even if its kind of out there.

Why was Josh so into video/media production during the early years of the show? I always thought it was weird that this family that doesn't allow their kids to watch TV or movies had all this dedicated equipment and media space for "video production". And how did JB know exactly which cop to go to when he needed to report his son? It wasn't that he just went to a friend in law enforcement. He went to a friend in law enforcement who conveniently also had a problem with child pornography. That seems like more than coincidence.

JB has all of these children and they have this space dedicated to media production - that alone seemed fishy. But then JB was friends with police officer connected to child pornography? Something isn't right here and I think it goes deeper than Josh. I worry for these children still in the home.

I always wondered the same thing but I hope you are wrong. Please let you be wrong on this. I hope JB is just stupid like I always assumed he was.

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

Blanket training was always going to happen to those poor M-kids, given the Waller family's connection to Gothard.

I don't sense the same level of enthusiasm from Josh about Anna becoming the next clown car - so I doubt he would berate her for not having more kids, but I could totally imagine him withholding sex, maybe even deliberately withholding at her fertile times so he has control over her fertility. That control would be even more significant if indeed he is still struggling with the same issues as happened when he was a teen.

Just because he doesn't WANT her to pop kid after kid out doesn't mean he wouldn't berate her for not doing it (even if he was withholding sex). Anna has been conditioned since birth to believe she's only worth anything if she can pop out kids. An abuser finds out what their victim's triggers are and uses those against them. Because their society primes women to be abuse victims and enablers and gives the men their ammunition, Josh knew the hot buttons before he even married her. He knew before he married her that her worth came from having babies, and he's used that to his advantage. His stance on wanting kids has nothing to do with how he'd use her lack of children against her in this case.

I've been a victim of every kind of abuse. My most recent abuser was sexually and emotionally abusive. Very early in our relationship, he discovered I wanted to get married and have a large family. Despite the fact that (as it turns out) he doesn't want any more kids than he already has (and he doesn't really want that one), he used that information to his advantage. He convinced me he wanted to try to get full custody of his son. He convinced me that he wanted to get married to me. He wanted me to move in right away so that we could start working on building a family. Once he had me thinking that's what he wanted, he started using it to manipulate and attack me with sex and "our future family" as his weapons.

So, as I said before, when it comes to abuse, especially emotional, it's about using the person's desires and weaknesses against them, even if they seem to conflict with what the abuser wants.

[nst]

I tweeted to them last night. Here's what I said: so many people care and support each of you & your sisters. It was not your fault. You're worthy so take care of yourselves. (had to shorten your to u and such to make it fit) Had a thought to tweet them the FJ twitter but didn't.

they come from the angle that it was over 12 years ago - they have learned to live with it

did they tell their husbands - who knows - I doubt we will ever know

but now the whole thing with the showing supposedly ending is what they all must be upset about - because no more speaking engagements, no more Alive, no more show - how will this affect Ben and Jessa a) because she is pregnant b) her husband doesn't have a job

will they be shunned if they go out ? or will they be supported - and will JB allow them to be supported or is she shaming them as well currently

maybe blaming them instead of idiot Josh

Guinn Seewald which I can't believe is quoting Mike Huckabee on her facebook - WTF and people are supporting Josh on her facebook - it's horrid

why would she do that - I have no words about that

and TMZ is claiming that the show can go on without Josh

[Bridge14]

Guinn Seewald reposted Huckabee's statement on Facebook. :( So much for Jessa getting the type of support she needs from her in laws.

[Jinderella]

Guinn Seewald reposted Huckabee's statement on Facebook. :( So much for Jessa getting the type of support she needs from her in laws.

Oh dear. That's beyond bad news. So very sad right now. :angry-banghead:

[Bearos]

I don't think anyone has mentioned the latest TMZ article:

http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/23/19-kids-a ... ill-jessa/

""19 Kids and Counting" may survive the Josh Duggar molestation scandal, but Josh might not.

Connected industry sources tell TMZ, TLC is considering a number of options, weighing the pros and cons. One is to cancel the show outright, the other is to just go full steam ahead, but there is real talk about continuing without Josh.

Our sources say there's a strong sense axing Josh would not materially hurt the show. We're told TLC has done research and it shows the daughters have become the driving force. The weddings of Jill and Jessa were ratings successes, as was the birth of Jill's baby.

It wouldn't be hard to remove Josh. He's moved away from Arkansas to D.C. where he's focused on lobbying Congress. But that could change because he just resigned from the Family Research Council.

As for cancelling the show, our sources say there is significant concern that big advertisers will bail. TMZ broke the story, General Mills has already pulled the plug.

On the other hand, we're told TLC believes the show has a strong, loyal evangelical base and so far support has not wavered.

But removing Josh could be a good middle ground for TLC.

Stay tuned."

Cowards.

[HCB]

Guinn Seewald reposted Huckabee's statement on Facebook. :( So much for Jessa getting the type of support she needs from her in laws.

Oh my god, really? Ugh. Poor Jessa.

[Alye]

Guinn Seewald reposted Huckabee's statement on Facebook. :( So much for Jessa getting the type of support she needs from her in laws.

I have no words. :angry-banghead:

[Naga Viper]

Fuck.

Welp. Time to fire up that campaign of letter-writing to the show's sponsors.

[SpoonfulOSugar]

Long time lurker - first time poster - registered just because I have several burning thoughts. :)

1. In regards to destroying the police report - is it for certain that the interview transcripts, videos, et al were destroyed? How does this affect any civil action that a victim would be entitled to file? (It's a loss of evidence . . . clearly.) My understanding is that civil suits are tolled until 3 years after the victim turns 18, so at least one young woman still has that option. It seems a disservice to this minor to deprive her of those records.

2. I tried to review the Arkansas mandatory reporter laws. It appears to me that when the "transgression" was reported to the church elders, they had an obligation to report to the child abuse hotline. I know the Duggars' church situation is wonky, but if any of those elders was acting in the capacity of a minister, that's a clear requirement. I'm thinking in particular of Jim Holt, who is an ordained Baptist minister and clearly should be aware of his responsibilities. Also, I believe this responsibility falls to the leaders of the JTTH and other retreats, and, although he wouldn't get more than a handslap, the state police officer who gave Josh that "stern talking to."

3. The Duggars are awfully fond of the word "defraud." I know it's an enormous stretch, but I wish either someone in the audience would file a civil suit for fraud, or the police would explore whether the cover up constitutes an "on-going criminal conspiracy" to defraud the public. The entire foundation/premise of their persona is rotten to the core.

[RosyDaisy]

I have just finished reading this thread and most of the police report. Nobody is going to like what I have to say. But here goes. I want to see some REAL justice....redneck style. I want to see Josh, JB & Michelle, and anybody else involved in covering this up taken behind a woodshed and never return. There is a special place in the fiery pits hell for all of them. I wish the minor children of Josh and JB removed and placed in loving families and given real opportunities. I also wish the victims could get real secular counseling and support.

This was a well orchestrated and planned outing, as in planned months ahead. TLC, Discovery Networks, Figure 8, the film crew, the Duggars, the Dillards, the Seewalds, the Kellers, other close fundie friends, Springdale PD, and everybody close to the Duggars and in the know. The last 3 episodes pretty much prove that. TLC covers it's ass with a behind the scenes episode, a guide to love (ewww), and the interview finale. That screams "bye y'all" to me.

As to who sent the email to Oprah, we will never know. OWN is part of Discovery Networks. That information won't come from Oprah. As to who leaked the police reports, that's anybody's guess. Maybe it's best the whistle blowers remain anonymous.

I have sick feeling there is a hell of a lot more to this story. I can't shake this feeling there are more heinous things that happened or still happening. Also, don't think for one second what happened to the Duggars didn't happen in other fundie families or isn't happening now.

Like everybody else, I believed the rumors were nothing more than Josh getting caught making out with a girl (consensual) masturbating, or caught looking at porn. I'm ashamed of myself. Any hint of abuse should be taken seriously and never dismissed...EVER! Lives are at stake!

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

I don't think anyone has mentioned the latest TMZ article:

http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/23/19-kids-a ... ill-jessa/

""19 Kids and Counting" may survive the Josh Duggar molestation scandal, but Josh might not.

Connected industry sources tell TMZ, TLC is considering a number of options, weighing the pros and cons. One is to cancel the show outright, the other is to just go full steam ahead, but there is real talk about continuing without Josh.

Our sources say there's a strong sense axing Josh would not materially hurt the show. We're told TLC has done research and it shows the daughters have become the driving force. The weddings of Jill and Jessa were ratings successes, as was the birth of Jill's baby.

It wouldn't be hard to remove Josh. He's moved away from Arkansas to D.C. where he's focused on lobbying Congress. But that could change because he just resigned from the Family Research Council.

As for cancelling the show, our sources say there is significant concern that big advertisers will bail. TMZ broke the story, General Mills has already pulled the plug.

On the other hand, we're told TLC believes the show has a strong, loyal evangelical base and so far support has not wavered.

But removing Josh could be a good middle ground for TLC.

Stay tuned."

Cowards.

I said it before and I'll say it again. TLC won't cancel the show. TLC has known about the abuse the entire time. To cancel it now in light of the abuse would be to say they admit they shouldn't have filmed in the first place. No, they'll cut Josh, they'll pretend JB and Michelle were innocent, the girls will remain in the house, etc. The question really is: what will they do with the intro. Will they keep Josh and his family in the lineup, will they cut them out of the lineup but still do the lineup, or will they replace the lineup?

[vienna]

I don't think anyone has mentioned the latest TMZ article:

http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/23/19-kids-a ... ill-jessa/

""19 Kids and Counting" may survive the Josh Duggar molestation scandal, but Josh might not.

Connected industry sources tell TMZ, TLC is considering a number of options, weighing the pros and cons. One is to cancel the show outright, the other is to just go full steam ahead, but there is real talk about continuing without Josh.

Our sources say there's a strong sense axing Josh would not materially hurt the show. We're told TLC has done research and it shows the daughters have become the driving force. The weddings of Jill and Jessa were ratings successes, as was the birth of Jill's baby.

It wouldn't be hard to remove Josh. He's moved away from Arkansas to D.C. where he's focused on lobbying Congress. But that could change because he just resigned from the Family Research Council.

As for cancelling the show, our sources say there is significant concern that big advertisers will bail. TMZ broke the story, General Mills has already pulled the plug.

On the other hand, we're told TLC believes the show has a strong, loyal evangelical base and so far support has not wavered.

But removing Josh could be a good middle ground for TLC.

Stay tuned."

Cowards.

Thanks for the link! But if they remove Josh, what about the M Kids and Anna? How should this work?

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

I have no words. :angry-banghead:

I am conflicted. Part of me wonders if the Seewalds will pretend to be "united" with the Duggars for now because Jessa and Ben still live near the compound. Part of me thinks that Jessa may have said all the "right things" to convince her in laws she's fine, and they believed her. And part of me isn't surprised.

[lascuba]

Guinn Seewald reposted Huckabee's statement on Facebook. :( So much for Jessa getting the type of support she needs from her in laws.

For all we know, that's the exact kind of "support" Jessa wants. We don't know how she or any of the other victims currently feel about what happened to them. They might very well believe the bullshit their parents spew about forgiveness; maybe Jessa truly has reached a point where she's fine with Josh and loves him and doesn't want him to suffer for what happened over a decade ago. Or maybe she doesn't feel that way at all but she hates the current media attention and people knowing what happened to her more that she resents Josh and/or her parents. We don't know and we probably never will.

[HarleyQuinn]

I don't know why I expected the Seewalds to do anything. :angry-banghead:

Maybe Marjorie's family would offer some sort of support? Josiah seems close with Joy and Jinger. Jana took care of him when he was young.

[JennyMominFL]

Maybe it was the Willis family that took them down.

[johnhugh]

If boob had taught Josh about masterbation and not Lego, this might not of occurred.

Something to think about Stevie ?

[sense and nonsense]

So, just to recap.

In 2003, Jim Bob Duggar finds his son was molesting his sisters (and one unnamed victim) ages 4-12 (anywhere in between). JB was told once by one of the girls, and later Josh himself confessed, a year after the abuse had begun.

He discusses this matter with "church elders". They decide manual labour is the cure.

He also takes Josh to the second criminal to appear in this story, a cop later arrested and sentenced for possession of child pornography. They talk, probably blathering on about Jesus. The cop DOES NOT REPORT THIS OR FILE AN OFFICIAL REPORT.

The construction camp (WHICH THEY CALL COUNSELING. THEY CALL IT COUNSELING, THESE SHIT EXCUSES FOR PARENTS) is run by fellow sexual abuser, Bill Gothard. (third criminal to appear in this story)

Josh returns from the camp, he apologizes to his sisters, its all good. He has found Jesus, its all over, he's a better human now. Josh is used as free labour to build the Duggar's new house.

Somewhere between all this, there is an anonymous member of their church (possibly a victim) who wrote the details of abuse in a letter, and placed the letter in a book. This book was circulated around the church as it belonged to the library.

3-4 years later, Hapro Network receives a tip about this before the Duggars are scheduled to appear on the Oprah Winfrey show (an email was sent by an unknown 61 year old female). They report it, authorities investigate, this is where the police report in the tabloid leak is written up. The Oprah appearance is cancelled.

Main details in the report: 4 of 5 victims are children of JB and M. 5th is unknown, resided in Fayetteville in 2006. The sister who said she wasn't abused was pursuing her GED.

After the first interview, JB lawyered up and refused any further contact with the police.

Also, one of the children admits that they are beaten with a rod. THIS IS NOT INVESTIGATED EITHER.

Unfortunately, this is past the statute of limitations on this crime, nothing can be done.

Here is where it gets a little unclear. Despite the fact that JB and M admit there was no professional counseling, there is no investigation by child authorities, nor is there any attempt to actually give any counseling.

9 years later, this is leaked in a tabloid. Josh makes a statement, calls it a teenage mistake, nobody mentions the fact that his victims were his sisters, he apologizes and he resigns from the 'Family Values' organization where he repeatedly made statements that gays were dangerous to children in the family.

The drivers of the Duggar gravy train (TLC) think they will continue this show, but without Josh appearing. They have currently pulled the show from their lineup indefinitely. It is on summer hiatus anyway, so no new episodes are scheduled to air. All reruns have been stopped.

(if I've missed anything, do point it out.)

[DuggarsTheEndIsNear]

If boob had taught Josh about masterbation and not Lego, this might not of occurred.

Something to think about Stevie ?

I doubt it. Josh's behaviors weren't of someone sexually frustrated, his behaviors were based on control and power. If Josh hadn't been raised in a culture that enabled and encouraged abuse, things may have been different. But, this doesn't have anything to do with not being able to masturbate, especially because people figure out how to do that on their own. And someone whose as sexually aggressive as he is would have figured out how to get his hands down his pants.

[breakfree]

No way in hell did Ben's dad post that without Ben's okay. This basically tells us team Seewald's party line (Jessa included).

[delilahdog11]

Seeing up close & personal how cases of sexual abuse are handled in religions that set the bar so low for men, yet so high for women while giving no power to women and all of it to men- demonstrates how truly devestating the patriarchal idealogy is to sexual abuse victims (man or woman), woman, & anyone who doesn't fit the mold. I can't fucking believe this bullshit. I don't know what will happen to the duggar women. I had to move out of my house & spend time with normal people & families to even being to suspect how absolutely batshit crazy my

mom is & to understand that my brother abused me. Her emotional abuse kept me so indoctrinated & isolated that I never knew what she was doing until I moved away to college, had a terrible time on my own, and sought out a therapist. It often takes a major life change to change ones belief & I hope that this coming out in the news is what the girls need to make a change in their lives, but just how sheltered are they from the news & I fear nothing will change for them. No therapy. No freedom frk

The abuse. And I fear that they many end up

In relationships with abusers or suffer personality disorders that make them abusers.

[latraviata]

I doubt it. Josh's behaviors weren't of someone sexually frustrated, his behaviors were based on control and power. If Josh hadn't been raised in a culture that enabled and encouraged abuse, things may have been different. But, this doesn't have anything to do with not being able to masturbate, especially because people figure out how to do that on their own. And someone whose as sexually aggressive as he is would have figured out how to get his hands down his pants.

You professionally analysed Josh? Or did dr Phil? How on earth do you know???

[sense and nonsense]

You professionally analysed Josh? Or did dr Phil? How on earth do you know???

Are you seriously telling me that a normal person would have molested a four year old to take out sexual frustration over plain old masturbation?

[Cleopatra7]

I said it before and I'll say it again. TLC won't cancel the show. TLC has known about the abuse the entire time. To cancel it now in light of the abuse would be to say they admit they shouldn't have filmed in the first place. No, they'll cut Josh, they'll pretend JB and Michelle were innocent, the girls will remain in the house, etc. The question really is: what will they do with the intro. Will they keep Josh and his family in the lineup, will they cut them out of the lineup but still do the lineup, or will they replace the lineup?

If TLC doesn't cancel the show, protestors need to follow the Duggars wherever they go, like they do with Bill Cosby. I am tired of this family blowing sunshine up my skirt and I'm tired of their stupid leghumpers thinking that Jesus makes it all okay.