Gilead Is Real: The War On Abortion And Women's Rights 2

[Audrey2]

9 minutes ago, GreyhoundFan said:

I'm not surprised by this at all. I've felt for a while that this is their end game. And as radical as the evangelical fundamentalist talk, once contraception, gay marriage, and interracial marriage laws start falling (I can see some suits making it to the supreme Court to try to overturn these as well), I can see all of these being banned at the national level as well if we continue to elect these radical Republicans.

[GreyhoundFan]

Senator Warner tweeted about the ruling:

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I love some of the replies:

 

[Smash!]

Fuck those fucking assholes. Those fuckers and their supporters aren‘t Republicans anymore, they‘re Christian extremists. And I ffs want every sane newspaper call them what they are. Who would have imagined the US, a synonym for democracy and freedom would ever go that route. 

Edited June 24, 2022 by Smash!

[Jana814]

I am completely heartsick about this!!  I won’t voice my opinion on my Facebook page. My Facebook feed has been a fix of people being pissed about the ruling & unfortunately a few who are happy about it. 

[NotQuiteMotY]

48 minutes ago, Jana814 said:

I am completely heartsick about this!!  I won’t voice my opinion on my Facebook page. My Facebook feed has been a fix of people being pissed about the ruling & unfortunately a few who are happy about it. 

I did, saying that this might mean your state determines whether you die from an ectopic pregnancy or not. I promptly got a response telling me that that wasn't true, that ectopic treatment is a medical emergency and not an abortion. The argument base appears to be that women don't go to an abortion clinic for ectopic treatment.

[Audrey2]

While all of this disgusts me I am wondering just how far the states that have already eliminated abortion will take this. Are they going to eliminate over the counter home pregnancy tests so that people can't determine if they're pregnant without seeing a medical professional or a crisis center that would notify authorities if they started out pregnant and now they're not? Will they take this even further and have some kind of app to require all menstruating people to use the app so that there's a record if they may be pregnant? I know this sounds very outlandish and dystopian and would make a good dystopian novel for those who are better writers than I. However the way these fundamentalists and evangelicals are working to take over the government I would put absolutely nothing past them.

Remember today's dystopia is tomorrow's to-do list for these Evangelical Republicans.

[47of74]

I just told my funeral director that when my time comes - hopefully several decades down the road - that I don't want to be buried at the Catholic cemetery anymore as I had been planning.  Most of my family who have passed are in that cemetery.  I told the funeral director I either would want the ashes to be buried in Dubuque's non-sectarian cemetery or in the columbarium in Dubuque's Episcopal parish.  Even though it would mean not being by my grandparents or parents and I'd most likely be off on my own with no other family around.  I don't want to give the Catholics any money and I sure don't want to be in one of their cemeteries now. 

[Zebedee]

I hate, loathe, and despise every single one of these sacks of fucking shit, and the only reason I would cross the street to piss on them if they were on fire is to keep them alive to feel more pain. Sorry, but they are bringing out the absolute worst in me.

 There is also intensive coverage in the guardian and the BBC - which naturally presents an equal number of forced birthers, as if they actually make up 50% of the population. Listening to their drivel is infuriating, and without exception, they have extremely punchable faces. 

I am so absolutely gutted for all you lovely Americans. I think it's time for a large glass of wine and some comfort Star Trek.

[libgirl2]

I just don't anymore with this country. We are going backwards! Gay marriage is next! Not everyone is an evangelical christian! I heard on the radio someone talking about Jewish law and abortion to save the right of the woman. CAn she sue if her state doesn't allow it? Religious discrimination? Just wait, someone will bring it up. 

Just now, Zebedee said:

I hate, loathe, and despise every single one of these sacks of fucking shit, and the only reason I would cross the street to piss on them if they were on fire is to keep them alive to feel more pain. Sorry, but they are bringing out the absolute worst in me.

 There is also intensive coverage in the guardian and the BBC - which naturally presents an equal number of forced birthers, as if they actually make up 50% of the population. Listening to their drivel is infuriating, and without exception, they have extremely punchable faces. 

I am so absolutely gutted for all you lovely Americans. I think it's time for a large glass of wine and some comfort Star Trek.

Yea, this country really sucks. A faith is being forced upon us. 

[47of74]

5 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

I just don't anymore with this country. We are going backwards! Gay marriage is next! Not everyone is an evangelical christian! I heard on the radio someone talking about Jewish law and abortion to save the right of the woman. CAn she sue if her state doesn't allow it? Religious discrimination? Just wait, someone will bring it up. 

Yea, this country really sucks. A faith is being forced upon us. 

I will never celebrate July 4 ever again.  There’s nothing to celebrate being in this shithole anymore. 

[GreyhoundFan]

12 minutes ago, Zebedee said:

 I think it's time for a large glass of wine and some comfort Star Trek.

I rarely drink alcohol, but I turned on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine a few minutes following the release of the ruling.

[Destiny]

Just now, GreyhoundFan said:

I rarely drink alcohol, but I turned on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine a few minutes following the release of the ruling.

I've been rewatching trek myself since the draft opinion came out. At least that's a better world than this one.

[GreyhoundFan]

"We’re Not Going Back to the Time Before Roe. We’re Going Somewhere Worse"

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In the weeks since a draft of the Supreme Court’s decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization—a case about a Mississippi law that bans abortion after fifteen weeks, with some health-related exceptions but none for rape or incest—was leaked, a slogan has been revived: “We won’t go back.” It has been chanted at marches, defiantly but also somewhat awkwardly, given that this is plainly an era of repression and regression, in which abortion rights are not the only rights disappearing. Now that the Supreme Court has issued its final decision, overturning Roe v. Wade and removing the constitutional right to abortion, insuring that abortion will become illegal or highly restricted in twenty states, the slogan sounds almost divorced from reality—an indication, perhaps, of how difficult it has become to comprehend the power and right-wing extremity of the current Supreme Court.

Support for abortion has never been higher, with more than two-thirds of Americans in favor of retaining Roe, and fifty-seven per cent affirming a woman’s right to abortion for any reason. Even so, there are Republican officials who have made it clear that they will attempt to pass a federal ban on abortion if and when they control both chambers of Congress and the Presidency. Anyone who can get pregnant must now face the reality that half of the country is in the hands of legislators who believe that your personhood and autonomy are conditional—who believe that, if you are impregnated by another person, under any circumstance, you have a legal and moral duty to undergo pregnancy, delivery, and, in all likelihood, two decades or more of caregiving, no matter the permanent and potentially devastating consequences for your body, your heart, your mind, your family, your ability to put food on the table, your plans, your aspirations, your life.

“We won’t go back”—it’s an inadequate rallying cry, only prompted by events that belie its message. But it is true in at least one sense. The future that we now inhabit will not resemble the past before Roe, when women sought out illegal abortions and not infrequently found death. The principal danger now lies elsewhere, and arguably reaches further. We have entered an era not of unsafe abortion but of widespread state surveillance and criminalization—of pregnant women, certainly, but also of doctors and pharmacists and clinic staffers and volunteers and friends and family members, of anyone who comes into meaningful contact with a pregnancy that does not end in a healthy birth. Those who argue that this decision won’t actually change things much—an instinct you’ll find on both sides of the political divide—are blind to the ways in which state-level anti-abortion crusades have already turned pregnancy into punishment, and the ways in which the situation is poised to become much worse.

In the states where abortion has been or will soon be banned, any pregnancy loss past an early cutoff can now potentially be investigated as a crime. Search histories, browsing histories, text messages, location data, payment data, information from period-tracking apps—prosecutors can examine all of it if they believe that the loss of a pregnancy may have been deliberate. Even if prosecutors fail to prove that an abortion took place, those who are investigated will be punished by the process, liable for whatever might be found.

Five years ago, Latice Fisher, a Black mother of three from Mississippi, who made eleven dollars an hour as a police-radio operator, experienced a stillbirth, at roughly thirty-six weeks, at home. When questioned, she acknowledged that she didn’t want more kids and couldn’t afford to take care of more kids. She surrendered her phone to investigators, who scraped it for search data and found search terms regarding mifepristone and misoprostol, i.e., abortion pills.

These pills are among the reasons that we are not going back to the era of coat hangers. They can be prescribed via telemedicine and delivered via mail; allowing for the prescription of an extra dose, they are ninety-five to ninety-eight per cent effective in cases of pregnancy up to eleven weeks, which account for almost ninety per cent of all abortions in the U.S. Already, more than half of all abortions in the country are medication abortions. In nineteen states, doctors are prohibited from providing abortions via telemedicine, but women can seek help from clinicians in other states and abroad, such as Rebecca Gomperts, who leads Aid Access, an organization based in Austria that is openly providing abortion pills to women in prohibition states, and has been safely mailing abortion pills to pregnant people all over the world since 2005, with the organization Women on Web. In advance of the U.S. bans, Gomperts has been promoting advance prescription: sympathetic doctors might prescribe abortion pills for any menstruating person, removing some of the fears—and, possibly, the traceability—that would come with attempting to get the pills after pregnancy. Misoprostol can be prescribed for other issues, such as stomach ulcers, and Gomperts argues that there is no reasonable medical argument against advance prescription. “If you buy bleach in the supermarket, that’s more dangerous,” she has said.

There was no evidence that Latice Fisher took an abortion pill. She maintained that she had experienced a stillbirth—an occurrence in one out of every hundred and sixty pregnancies in the U.S. Nonetheless, she was charged with second-degree murder and held on a hundred-thousand-dollar bond. The district attorney, Scott Colom, had campaigned as a progressive reformer; advocates pushed him to drop the murder charge, and to provide a grand jury with more information about an antiquated, unreliable “float test” that prosecutors had used as a basis for their allegation that Fisher’s baby was born alive. Fisher was eventually cleared of all charges; the ordeal took more than three years.

Even if it remains possible in prohibition states to order abortion pills, doing so will be unlawful. (Missouri recently proposed classifying the delivery or shipment of these pills as drug trafficking. Louisiana just passed a law that makes mailing abortion pills to a resident of the state a criminal offense, punishable by six months’ imprisonment.) In many states, to avoid breaking the law, a woman would have to drive to a state where abortion is legal, have a telemedicine consultation there, and then receive the pills in that state. Many women in Texas have opted for a riskier but easier option: to drive across the border, to Mexico, and get abortion pills from unregulated pharmacies, where pharmacists may issue incorrect advice for usage. Some women who lack the freedom and money to travel out of state, and who might fear the consequences of seeking a clinical confirmation of their gestational stage, will order abortion pills without a clear understanding of how far along they are in pregnancy. Abortion pills are safe and effective, but patients need access to clinical guidance and follow-up care. Women in prohibition states who want to seek medical attention after a self-managed abortion will, as a rule, have to choose between risking their freedom and risking their health.

Both abortion and miscarriage currently occur more than a million times each year in America, and the two events are often clinically indistinguishable. As such, prohibition states will have a profoundly invasive interest in differentiating between them. Some have already laid the groundwork for establishing government databases of pregnant women likely to seek abortions. Last year, Arkansas passed a law called the Every Mom Matters Act, which requires women considering abortion to call a state hotline and requires abortion providers to register all patients in a database with a unique I.D. Since then, six other states have implemented or proposed similar laws. The hotlines are provided by crisis pregnancy centers: typically Christian organizations, many of which masquerade as abortion clinics, provide no health care, and passionately counsel women against abortion. Crisis pregnancy centers are already three times as numerous as abortion clinics in the U.S., and, unlike hospitals, they are not required to protect the privacy of those who come to them. For years, conservative states have been redirecting money, often from funds earmarked for poor women and children, toward these organizations. The data that crisis pregnancy centers are capable of collecting—names, locations, family details, sexual and medical histories, non-diagnostic ultrasound images—can now be deployed against those who seek their help.

If you become pregnant, your phone generally knows before many of your friends do. The entire Internet economy is built on meticulous user tracking—of purchases, search terms—and, as laws modelled on Texas’s S.B. 8 proliferate, encouraging private citizens to file lawsuits against anyone who facilitates an abortion, self-appointed vigilantes will have no shortage of tools to track and identify suspects. (The National Right to Life Committee recently published policy recommendations for anti-abortion states that included criminal penalties for anyone who provides information about self-managed abortion “over the telephone, the internet, or any other medium of communication.”) A reporter for Vice recently spent a mere hundred and sixty dollars to purchase a data set on visits to more than six hundred Planned Parenthood clinics. Brokers sell data that make it possible to track journeys to and from any location—say, an abortion clinic in another state. In Missouri, this year, a lawmaker proposed a measure that would allow private citizens to sue anyone who helps a resident of the state get an abortion elsewhere; as with S.B. 8, the law would reward successful plaintiffs with ten thousand dollars. The closest analogue to this kind of legislation is the Fugitive Slave Act of 1793.

For now, the targets of S.B. 8-type bounty laws are those who provide abortions, not those who seek them. But that seems likely to change. Connecticut, a progressive state on the matter of abortion, recently passed a law that prevents local agencies from coöperating with out-of-state abortion prosecutions and protects the medical records of out-of-state clients. Other progressive states will follow suit. If prohibition states can’t sue out-of-state doctors, and, if abortion pills sent by mail remain largely undetectable, the only people left to target will be abortion advocates and those trying to get abortions. The Stream, a conservative Christian publication, recently advocated mandatory psychiatric custody for women who get abortions. In May, Louisiana advanced a bill that would allow abortion patients to be charged with murder. The proposal was withdrawn, but the threat had been made.

The theological concept of fetal personhood—the idea that, from the moment of conception, an embryo or fetus is a full human being, deserving of equal (or, more accurately, superior) rights—is a foundational doctrine of the anti-abortion movement. The legal ramifications of this idea—including the possible classification of I.V.F., IUDs, and the morning-after pill as instruments of murder—are unhinged, and much harsher than what even the average anti-abortion American is currently willing to embrace. Nonetheless, the anti-abortion movement is now openly pushing for fetal personhood to become the foundation of U.S. abortion law.

If a fetus is a person, then a legal framework can be invented to require someone who has one living inside her to do everything in her power to protect it, including—as happened to Savita Halappanavar, in Ireland, which operated under a fetal-personhood doctrine until 2018, and to Izabela Sajbor, in Poland, where all abortion is effectively illegal—to die. No other such obligation exists anywhere in our society, which grants cops the freedom to stand by as children are murdered behind an unlocked door. In Poland, pregnant women with cancer have been routinely denied chemotherapy because of clinicians’ fears of harming the fetus.

Fetal-personhood laws have passed in Georgia and Alabama, and they are no longer likely to be found unconstitutional. Such laws justify a full-scale criminalization of pregnancy, whereby women can be arrested, detained, and otherwise placed under state intervention for taking actions perceived to be potentially harmful to a fetus. This approach has been steadily tested, on low-income minorities in particular, for the past four decades. National Advocates for Pregnant Women—the organization that has provided legal defense for most of the cases mentioned in this article—has documented almost eighteen hundred cases, from 1973 to 2020, of prosecutions or forced interventions related to pregnancy; this is likely a substantial undercount. Even in states such as California, where the law explicitly prohibits charging women with murder after a pregnancy loss, conservative prosecutors are doing so anyway.

Most pregnancy-related prosecutions, so far, have revolved around drug use. Women who used drugs while pregnant, or sought treatment for drug use during pregnancy, have been charged with child abuse, child neglect, distribution of drugs to a minor, assault with a deadly weapon, manslaughter, and homicide. In 2020, law enforcement in Alabama investigated a woman named Kim Blalock for chemical endangerment of a child after she told delivery-room staff that she had been taking prescribed hydrocodone for pain management. (The district attorney charged her with prescription fraud—a felony—before eventually dropping the prosecution altogether.) There has been a string of shocking recent prosecutions in Oklahoma, in which women who used drugs have been charged with manslaughter for miscarrying well before the point of viability. In Wisconsin, state law already allows juvenile courts to take a fetus—meaning a pregnant woman—into custody for the fetus’s protection, resulting in the detention and forced treatment of more than four hundred pregnant women every year on the suspicion that they may be consuming controlled substances. A proposed law in Wyoming would create a specific category of felony child endangerment for drug use while pregnant, a law that resembles Tennessee’s former Fetal Assault Law. The Tennessee law was discontinued after two years, because treating women as adversaries to the fetuses they carry has a chilling effect on prenatal medicine, and inevitably results in an increase in maternal and infant death.

The mainstream pro-choice movement has largely ignored the growing criminalization of pregnancy, just as it has generally ignored the inadequacy of Roe. (It took Joe Biden, who campaigned on making Roe the “law of the land,” more than a year to say the word “abortion” on the record after he became President; the Democrats, given the chance to override the filibuster and codify Roe in May, predictably failed to do so.) Many of those who support the right to abortion have tacitly accepted that poor and minority women in conservative states lost access to abortion long before this Supreme Court decision, and have quietly hoped that the thousands of women facing arrest after pregnancy, miscarriage, stillbirth, or even healthy deliveries were unfortunate outliers. They were not outliers, and, as the columnist Rebecca Traister noted last month, the chasm between the impervious class and everyone else is growing every day.

Pregnancy is more than thirty times more dangerous than abortion. One study estimates that a nationwide ban would lead to a twenty-one-per-cent rise in pregnancy-related deaths. Some of the women who will die from abortion bans are pregnant right now. Their deaths will come not from back-alley procedures but from a silent denial of care: interventions delayed, desires disregarded. They will die of infections, of preëclampsia, of hemorrhage, as they are forced to submit their bodies to pregnancies that they never wanted to carry, and it will not be hard for the anti-abortion movement to accept these deaths as a tragic, even noble, consequence of womanhood itself.

In the meantime, abortion bans will hurt, disable, and endanger many people who wanted to carry their pregnancies to term but who encounter medical difficulties. Physicians in prohibition states have already begun declining to treat women who are in the midst of miscarriages, for fear that the treatment could be classified as abortion. One woman in Texas was told that she had to drive fifteen hours to New Mexico to have her ectopic pregnancy—which is nonviable, by definition, and always dangerous to the mother—removed. Misoprostol, one of the abortion pills, is routinely prescribed for miscarriage management, because it causes the uterus to expel any remaining tissue. Pharmacists in Texas, fearing legal liability, have already refused to prescribe it. If a miscarriage is not managed to a safe completion, women risk—among other things, and taking the emotional damage for granted—uterine perforation, organ failure, infection, infertility, and death.

Most miscarriages are caused by factors beyond a pregnant person’s control: illnesses, placental or uterine irregularities, genetic abnormalities. But the treatment of pregnant people in this country already makes many of them feel directly and solely responsible for the survival of their fetus. They are told to absolutely avoid alcohol, coffee, retinol, deli turkey, unpasteurized cheese, hot baths, vigorous exercise, drugs that are not prescribed to them, drugs that they have been prescribed for years—often without any explanation of the frequently shoddy reasoning behind these prohibitions. Structural factors that clearly increase the likelihood of miscarriage—poverty, environmental-chemical exposure, working night shifts—are less likely to come up. As fetal personhood becomes law in more of the land, pregnant people, as Lynn Paltrow, the director of National Advocates for Pregnant Women, has pointed out, “could be sued, or prevented from engaging in travel, work, or any activity that is believed to create a risk to the life of the unborn.”

Half a century ago, the anti-abortion movement was dominated by progressive, antiwar, pro-welfare Catholics. Today, the movement is conservative, evangelical, and absolutely single-minded, populated overwhelmingly by people who, although they may embrace foster care, adoption, and various forms of private ministry, show no interest in pushing for public, structural support for human life once it’s left the womb. The scholar Mary Ziegler recently noted that today’s anti-abortion advocates see the “strategies of earlier decades as apologetic, cowardly, and counterproductive.” During the past four years, eleven states have passed abortion bans that contain no exceptions for rape or incest, a previously unthinkable extreme.

In Texas, already, children aged nine, ten, and eleven, who don’t yet understand what sex and abuse are, face forced pregnancy and childbirth after being raped. Women sitting in emergency rooms in the midst of miscarriages are being denied treatment for sepsis because their fetuses’ hearts haven’t yet stopped. People you’ll never hear of will spend the rest of their lives trying and failing, agonizingly, in this punitive country, to provide stability for a first or fifth child they knew they weren’t equipped to care for.

In the face of all this, there has been so much squeamishness even in the pro-choice camp—a tone that casts abortion as an unfortunate necessity; an approach to messaging which values choice but devalues abortion care itself, which emphasizes reproductive rights rather than reproductive justice. That approach has landed us here. We are not going back to the pre-Roe era, and we should not want to go back to the era that succeeded it, which was less bitter than the present but was never good enough. We should demand more, and we will have to. We will need to be full-throated and unconditional about abortion as a necessary precondition to justice and equal rights if we want even a chance of someday getting somewhere better.

 

[Workingmom]

I want to cry, I feel so helpless, so powerless. I can't imagine the anxiety, the fear of mothers and grandmothers in the US whose daughters lost the right to determine their own fate, to make decisions about their own bodies. 

Is there any hope left of changing this verdict? 

 

 

 

[Alisamer]

2 hours ago, Audrey2 said:

I'm not surprised by this at all. I've felt for a while that this is their end game. And as radical as the evangelical fundamentalist talk, once contraception, gay marriage, and interracial marriage laws start falling (I can see some suits making it to the supreme Court to try to overturn these as well), I can see all of these being banned at the national level as well if we continue to elect these radical Republicans.

I agree. And why? Because it does not affect them. At all. They will just shrug as they take away right after right, and if confronted, their response will boil down to "well, if these people were normal (read: white, cis, het, male, Christian, racist) then none of this would be a problem."

Republicans don't only think they are the majority. They think they are the DEFAULT. They want to force everyone else to conform to their idea of "normal". 

And it'll get worse. If they continue to get their way, it'll just keep progressing. It's not a huge step from allowing prayer in school to mandating prayer in school, followed by mandating who the prayer is to and how it is prayed. They want "Christian" prayer in school. Nothing else. And once they have started to mandate Christianity? The infighting will start between different varieties of Christianity. And that will split things wide open, because nobody will agree on anything past that. 

There's a reason most "independent fundamental" churches are super tiny. 

The interim pastor at my (Baptist) church said in a sermon recently - "Ask two Baptists about religion and you'll get three opinions."

I keep thinking surely it can't possibly get to that point. But who knows. Things suck.

[Zebedee]

The way pregnancy is dated is LMP, right? Hence the 6 week rule basically meaning period, 2 weeks later ovulation, 2 weeks later you miss a period (if 28 days) so already 4 weeks pregnant when period is due, giving you 2 weeks to realize you are pregnant and get an appointment (in reality, 4 weeks since fertilization, give or take?). Sorry, never been pregnant, just trying to get this straight - like with the Duggars and honeymoon babies - they're technically pregnant before they ever even kissed?

I mean, it's not going to take too much, especially if a state bans IUDs or something, for some GOP forced birth idiot to take this (being "pregnant" even before you have sex) and run with it - all women aged say 10-50 are to be assumed pregnant even if they have never had sex - and therefore unable to drink alcohol, travel without a pregnancy test etc. It'll become life begins before conception, and those 2 weeks before your period it'll be illegal to drink alcohol or coffee or eat unpasteurized cheese or lift heavy objects or work in labs with dangerous chemicals/radioactive stuff - or any of the million other things pregnant people are supposed to avoid. Including lots of jobs... I mean, this all sounds ridiculous and paranoid, but these people are ridiculous, and every time I think they can't say anything dumber, they do - and millions of people agree with them. 

 

[libgirl2]

21 minutes ago, Alisamer said:

I agree. And why? Because it does not affect them. At all. They will just shrug as they take away right after right, and if confronted, their response will boil down to "well, if these people were normal (read: white, cis, het, male, Christian, racist) then none of this would be a problem."

Republicans don't only think they are the majority. They think they are the DEFAULT. They want to force everyone else to conform to their idea of "normal". 

And it'll get worse. If they continue to get their way, it'll just keep progressing. It's not a huge step from allowing prayer in school to mandating prayer in school, followed by mandating who the prayer is to and how it is prayed. They want "Christian" prayer in school. Nothing else. And once they have started to mandate Christianity? The infighting will start between different varieties of Christianity. And that will split things wide open, because nobody will agree on anything past that. 

There's a reason most "independent fundamental" churches are super tiny. 

The interim pastor at my (Baptist) church said in a sermon recently - "Ask two Baptists about religion and you'll get three opinions."

I keep thinking surely it can't possibly get to that point. But who knows. Things suck.

My state has someone running for governor who wants to bring back prayer to schools. Who's prayer? Muslim, Hindu,  satanic, Catholic? 

[Dandruff]

41 minutes ago, GreyhoundFan said:

I rarely drink alcohol, but I turned on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine a few minutes following the release of the ruling.

TNG is on now with another episode coming up at 3.

My mental imagery of this ruling is of a dark, poisonous rain coming down, sparing only those carrying an evil mark. 

I feel for the justices who didn't support this, as I'm sure they're not having a happy day either.  To the (limited) extent that I pray, I'm pushing for those responsible for the horrors to come to have payment exacted on the other side and those to be negatively affected by the ruling to be granted some peace and comfort.  Note that I'm calling on the supernatural - I'm not trusting human decency at the moment.

I sincerely hope that genetic testing technology and resources can be made available early enough in pregnancies to save a fair amount of long-term pain and suffering from happening.

Let's see how many fundies line up to adopt unwanted, forced pregnancies.

How about a law forcing men to take responsibility for their offspring, with associated DNA testing and financial liens?  Prison terms for the rapists, of course.

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by Dandruff
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[Jana814]

I’m in New Jersey & I’m happy to say our Governor has said abortion will still be allowed in my state. 

[libgirl2]

4 minutes ago, Jana814 said:

I’m in New Jersey & I’m happy to say our Governor has said abortion will still be allowed in my state. 

I'm in Illinois and same here. I will be out voting for our governor and every single Democrat running.  

[dramallama]

6 minutes ago, Jana814 said:

I’m in New Jersey & I’m happy to say our Governor has said abortion will still be allowed in my state. 

Until Republicans have the White House, Senate, and House again.  Then they'll try for a federal ban and I have no doubt they'll be willing to eliminate the legislative filibuster in order to accomplish it.

[yeahthatsme74]

8 minutes ago, Jana814 said:

I’m in New Jersey & I’m happy to say our Governor has said abortion will still be allowed in my state. 

Pennsylvania here...still allowed, voting blue at every opportunity

[dramallama]

I'm in Ohio.  I have absolutely zero doubt that our shit stain of a governor and supermajority Republican house & senate are meeting as I type this to plan a full ban with as few exceptions as they think they can get away with, to pass as quickly as possible.  I'm sure they're also going to try to ban people leaving the state for abortion care.

[closetcagebaby]

i’m pissed and i’m over the idea of “voting blue” making a difference. They had the chance to codify Roe. Instead they chose to use it as a fundraising mechanism. Pelosi already sent out a fundraising email about the decision and it’s like…what have you been DOING? Oh that’s right, campaigning for a so called pro life Democrat. I’m tired of being told to vote. They can’t hold up their end of the bargain. 

[dramallama]

2 minutes ago, closetcagebaby said:

i’m pissed and i’m over the idea of “voting blue” making a difference. They had the chance to codify Roe. Instead they chose to use it as a fundraising mechanism. Pelosi already sent out a fundraising email about the decision and it’s like…what have you been DOING? Oh that’s right, campaigning for a so called pro life Democrat. I’m tired of being told to vote. They can’t hold up their end of the bargain. 

They had FORTY NINE FUCKING YEARS.  F O R T Y N I N E.  I am beyond livid.