Gilead Is Real: The War On Abortion And Women's Rights 2

[molecule]

44 minutes ago, NotQuiteMotY said:

I'm so sorry for your daughter. And I understand the steeling yourself: I keep wondering what they'll say during the pastor's prayers this morning at mine. If you're feeling bold/able to, maybe prepare something to say as a concern in counterpoint?

I have a counterprayer ready. In fact, I'm contemplating raising my hand so I can go first. 

Edited June 26, 2022 by molecule

[molecule]

2 hours ago, molecule said:

I have a counterprayer ready. In fact, I'm contemplating raising my hand so I can go first. 

And that's exactly what I did. I raised my hand first and asked for prayer for those on both sides to experience God's peace, comfort, compassion, etc. as we navigate the next few months.

[Zebedee]

1 hour ago, molecule said:

prayer for those on both sides to experience God's peace, comfort, compassion, etc

You are a better person that I - I don't want the forced birthers to experience any peace or comfort. Though I guess you can't get up in chuch and pray they all suffer. That probably wouldn't be received too well!

[47of74]

I like this idea

Make the data so unreliable that it can't be used in a court of law anymore. 

[47of74]

3 hours ago, Zebedee said:

You are a better person that I - I don't want the forced birthers to experience any peace or comfort. Though I guess you can't get up in chuch and pray they all suffer. That probably wouldn't be received too well!

Yeah some guy next to me mumbled during the prayers of the people at church today about the unborn.  I had to bite my tongue pretty goddamn hard to keep from raining the fires of heaven down upon him.  (In fact today's reading had two disciples of Jesus who asked if they should call fire down on a village that dissed Jesus and he was like really, that's not my style).

I am so fucking glad I left that roman abomination of a church a decade ago for a church that actually respects all people and the right of people to have their own bodily autonomy.  In truth I should have left the second Benedict was elected but I hadn't worked up the courage yet.  Someone needs to tell Francis that it's too late, the damage is done, and he better check the temperature in hell if he's expecting me to ever forgive the Romans for the harm they did to this Earth.

[danvillebelle]

The stories of people reaching out to help are saving my sanity.

Last night, one of the cross-stitchers I follow on Instagram posted something along these lines against a background of floss:  

"Listen to me very carefully.  If you cannot find what you need to cross stitch where you live now, you can come cross stitch at my house.  You can stay in my guest room.  I will take you to the craft store, wait for you while you shop, help you check out and take you back to my house to organize your purchases.  Do you hear me?"  

[Bethella]

I am United Methodist and I’m fairly happy with the statement put out by the church. 

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The United Methodist Church, responding to the Gospel and informed by our Wesleyan history, affirms the sacred worth of all people and calls us to advocate in support of policies that support abundant, healthy life for all. 

This commitment to the sacred worth of all people has called us to prayerfully reflect on the justice, rights, and health for the mother, child and family. Through our prayerful advocacy and witness we as a church affirm that, “we are equally bound to respect the sacredness of the life and well-being of the mother and the unborn child. We recognize tragic conflicts of life with life that may justify abortion, and in such cases, we support the legal option of abortion under proper medical procedures by certified medical providers.” (United Methodist Social Principles ¶161.K) 

This prayerful response from the United Methodist Church is a collective witness that centers on the value and dignity of every mother, child, and family. However, today The United States Supreme Court decision denied the value and dignity of women to access the fundamental right to the supportive care and services they deserve. 

Today’s decision unleashes severe consequences and threatens access to care for every community, and specifically Black, Brown, Indigenous and low-income communities. This decision comes at a time when many states are already moving to restrict access to quality care and comprehensive health care services like family planning, birth control, and the expansion of Medicaid. These restrictions deny the basic right to lifesaving care that every-body has the right to access and receive. 

As people of faith, God calls us to transform conditions of injustice and advocate for the rights of all people to have access to affordable, equitable and comprehensive healthcare that includes reproductive and maternal care. 

We grieve and lament today’s decision. We ask that churches provide a healing and nurturing presence that cares for the women and families in your communities wrestling with today’s decision and their own experiences. We also acknowledge that today’s decision compels us to renewed advocacy for policies that create an environment where all people have access to a community, services, and healthcare that lead to flourishing and abundance.

https://www.umcjustice.org/articles/preview/89ef1a94-c26c-4861-85b7-5783d10e62d6?fbclid=IwAR2_TJPmd0qQlANvMYSpp1A8iVerYHdoB7yMnuFw1Cy7yE6Q_kkZYCyybBo

[dramallama]

Welp I've already read a story today of a woman who went to the ER with an ectopic pregnancy in a trigger ban state who was left for hours to let it rupture because the doctor was consulting with a lawyer to make sure he was safe if he took action.

[CrazyMumma]

59 minutes ago, dramallama said:

Welp I've already read a story today of a woman who went to the ER with an ectopic pregnancy in a trigger ban state who was left for hours to let it rupture because the doctor was consulting with a lawyer to make sure he was safe if he took action.

Please share the link.  Keen to read it. 

[dramallama]

4 minutes ago, CrazyMumma said:

Please share the link.  Keen to read it. 

It's on a TikTok video.

 

[Audrey2]

1 hour ago, dramallama said:

It's on a TikTok video.

 

I am sick, disgusted, and in tears after watching this. A couple of years ago I discovered that a friend of mine, who's about 12 years older than me and a wonderful woman, discovered she could no longer get pregnant after having an ectopic pregnancy. She and her husband would have been amazing parents. Since we are all about the babies, how many of these women who would be amazing parents will no longer be able to have children after having an ectopic pregnancy that goes terribly wrong while waiting for the lawyers to tell the doctor it's okay to help her? 

 

[AlmostSavedAtTacoBell]

And so it begins- the nightmare life-altering or even life-threatening decision making for doctors treating women who have pregnancies that haven’t taken a “safe” path and worse, the potential long-term life altering problems or even death for the women whose pregnancies aren’t going “normally”.  It shouldn’t matter the reason a woman chooses not to continue a pregnancy but the so- called “pro-life” people forcing a non-viable pregnancy that could cause a woman very serious health issues or death is just punishment for having sex (and not being wealthy enough to pay for a private and discrete procedure.) We are in a class war, a race war, and a sex war. It’s time to get out and vote but also get others out to vote. It’s time to start showing the proof to the people in our lives we have or are considering cutting off and not letting them weasel out of being confronted with conspiracy theory/ Fox News/ nutso explanations. Keep at them and make them explain, in the face of all the evidence, how they can still accept Trump as anything but a traitor. Keep showing them proof and when they deflect, demand they show credible proof that hasn’t been proven false. (“Comet Pizza is trafficking kids in its basement? How since it has no basement. Here are several articles and blueprints confirming my response.”) Just have your responses to what ever they can bring up ready. Will it work? Maybe, maybe not. I have swayed a few, had a few say they need to think, and have had many curse me in creative ways. But the victories all mean one less vote for him or his ilk. 

[Dandruff]

2 hours ago, AlmostSavedAtTacoBell said:

It shouldn’t matter the reason a woman chooses not to continue a pregnancy but the so- called “pro-life” people forcing a non-viable pregnancy that could cause a woman very serious health issues or death is just punishment for having sex (and not being wealthy enough to pay for a private and discrete procedure.) We are in a class war, a race war, and a sex war.

I'd expect wealthy, white Christian women to be the primary group (in overall numbers) able to get a private abortion.  They're also the group that I'd expect right-wingers to most want to have children.  If there's a race war, this ruling would seem to be arming the "enemy" over the long term as racial percentages shift.

[libgirl2]

11 hours ago, danvillebelle said:

The stories of people reaching out to help are saving my sanity.

Last night, one of the cross-stitchers I follow on Instagram posted something along these lines against a background of floss:  

"Listen to me very carefully.  If you cannot find what you need to cross stitch where you live now, you can come cross stitch at my house.  You can stay in my guest room.  I will take you to the craft store, wait for you while you shop, help you check out and take you back to my house to organize your purchases.  Do you hear me?"  

I am also offering to help women go camping in my state. 

I am already hearing people say they will not be celebrating the 4th because they are so disgusted with this country. I will admit, I don't plan on it either. What to celebrate? The take over of this country by the religious right? 

Edited June 27, 2022 by libgirl2

[libgirl2]

3 hours ago, Dandruff said:

I'd expect wealthy, white Christian women to be the primary group (in overall numbers) able to get a private abortion.  They're also the group that I'd expect right-wingers to most want to have children.  If there's a race war, this ruling would seem to be arming the "enemy" over the long term as racial percentages shift.

Wealthy women will be able to, also women who got pregnant by wealthy men. That will never stop.

[47of74]

I just learned something interesting from a FB friend about Viagra when I mentioned boner meds should be banned on the grounds if a woman's pregnancy is God's will so is a man having a limp dick.  She agreed it shouldn't be allowed for that use but she takes it to help her with a chronic lung condition.  One of the main reasons it was invented in the first place to help with blood pressure.  Of course it should be allowed for high blood pressure and help with diseases like COPD.  I just object to it being allowed for sexual purposes by the same people that are tripping over themselves to ban abortion pills even though the Fed advised otherwise.

[Alisamer]

1 hour ago, 47of74 said:

I just learned something interesting from a FB friend about Viagra when I mentioned boner meds should be banned on the grounds if a woman's pregnancy is God's will so is a man having a limp dick.  She agreed it shouldn't be allowed for that use but she takes it to help her with a chronic lung condition.  One of the main reasons it was invented in the first place to help with blood pressure.  Of course it should be allowed for high blood pressure and help with diseases like COPD.  I just object to it being allowed for sexual purposes by the same people that are tripping over themselves to ban abortion pills even though the Fed advised otherwise.

I agree. It really shows the priorities of people, doesn't it? Women should "keep their legs closed" and if they don't, for any reason whatsoever, and they get pregnant, they should "live with the consequences". Men, however... "Oh, having trouble with sex? Here's a pill to help!"

Women - punished for having sex, should have kept her legs closed.
Men - given medical treatment, sometimes even covered by inurance, to help them have more sex. 

If they go after contraception gradually, we will get to a point where women are asked if they are married and/or required to get their partner's permission before being allowed birth control. What are the chances of men being asked if they are married before being prescribed Viagra? Slim to none, I think.

[meep]

At what point is enough, enough? Celebrate July 4th? Don't make me cackle. I will be donning all black in mourning, no matter how hot it is and I'll go to the "celebrations" and talk about how our country is actively going down the crapper as we speak. I am very proud of my blue state and but my country? No.

What country? A country is suppose to be unified as a society. Our country isn't unified and doesn't operate as a single society. There are two opposing societies and I no longer will go along with this charade of acting like, "oh my word, I hope we can all get along and sing kumbaya as a nation and heal." I'm over it. Maybe I was over it after Jan 6th happened but I still had that tiny seed of hope that that would be the right fizzling out with a whimper. Instead it was perhaps just the beginning. I'm not going to walk around in my life as if these are sad things that we now must live with and shrug my shoulders as I move along. No.

This is all unacceptable and I understand that the internationally recognized paperwork states I am a citizen of the united states of america, but in my heart, I feel there is no repair. I feel in my heart that we are two separate countries. I don't think anything can fix that and I feel as if things are going to get worse and I'm not sure if they will eventually get better in my lifetime. I only hope to glob (definitely not to GOD) that I retain my rights in my state. Otherwise I absolutely throw my will at my survival instinct to get the hell out of here and never look back, which I really don't want to do. But I'm not going to sacrifice everything I've dreamed for my life and my future to stick around for....pride? honor? because it's the "right" or "noble" thing to do. Or even out of spite, because maybe that's what the right wants...to drive the liberals away from the country. Well then congrats, they would win, because this isn't a game to me and at the end of the day, I would be the one suffering and giving up everything. I'm not going to do it. 

[dramallama]

I can't afford to leave the country.  Places like Canada etc don't want anyone who doesn't have a lot of money, family ties, a citizen spouse, or one of a small handful of very specific high-demand jobs.   Those who will suffer the most are those without the means to flee.  A majority of Americans don't even have $500 available in case of emergency, nevermind what it would take for moving expenses out of the country alone, forgetting all the immigration fees and funding requirements and the cost of a lawyer to help you navigate the byzantine and incomprehensible rules. I fully admit that if I had the means I would flee, but since I don't I have to stay and fight.  Even if it kills me, I'd prefer death over where I fear this country is heading.

Edited June 27, 2022 by dramallama

[GreyhoundFan]

59 minutes ago, Alisamer said:

If they go after contraception gradually, we will get to a point where women are asked if they are married and/or required to get their partner's permission before being allowed birth control. What are the chances of men being asked if they are married before being prescribed Viagra? Slim to none, I think.

I just finished watching the series "The First Lady" on Showtime. There was a good scene where Betty Ford goes to the doctor because she injured her shoulder. He prescribes pain meds and Valium, telling her it is fine to take them with alcohol. Then he offers to call Jerry to discuss the meds. She was a grown woman with four kids, but he felt it necessary to call her husband to discuss her body and condition. It made me sick, but I know it was how things were.

[dramallama]

Dystopian AF to consider, but pharmaceutical industry lobbyists may be the people who can ultimately save us from a birth control ban.  The industry is projected to make almost $21 billion-with-a-b per year on birth control sales by 2030, and they are not going to be happy with the prospect of that getting slashed or eliminated.  It may further fissure the zealot wing of the GOP, who want a ban, from the "hail our corporate overlords" wing, who are more inclined to do whatever their paying puppetmasters want.

[meep]

My father came to this country without anyone's permission and with zero money to his name. When he got to his destination here, the person who was supposed to help him slammed the door in his face and he had nowhere to sleep, nowhere to live, nowhere to work, no clothes or belongings, absolutely nothing. He wanted a better life and he was willing to risk his life (not to mention simply the way he got here). He hoped I would have a better life - and I do. But he thought I'd have all the rights promised in the American dream. I'll do what I have to do in this life. My family and I always do. But it's a risk not all are willing to take, or are privileged (physical mobility) to take. I don't think I'll have problems emigrating if I need to. But worst case scenario (which realistically I think wouldn't happen, I don't want to add to unrealistic doom-saying) if women's rights are really reeled back, not allowing any type of travel or emigration....I'm not going to be nice and ask. I'm just going to go. I'll die trying. I don't say this lightly. 

I watched the Netflix FLDS documentary a few weeks ago and I commented to my fiancé that such a life would be a literal hell on earth for me. I meant it. 

Edited June 27, 2022 by meep

[dramallama]

I'm not begrudging anyone with the means the decision to leave.  But it's naive to think that we can all just show up on the borders of some more enlightened state without meeting their immigration requirements and they'll do anything other than send us all back.  Until it gets to the point where other countries start accepting American refugees, most of us are stuck.

[libgirl2]

5 minutes ago, dramallama said:

Dystopian AF to consider, but pharmaceutical industry lobbyists may be the people who can ultimately save us from a birth control ban.  The industry is projected to make almost $21 billion-with-a-b per year on birth control sales by 2030, and they are not going to be happy with the prospect of that getting slashed or eliminated.  It may further fissure the zealot wing of the GOP, who want a ban, from the "hail our corporate overlords" wing, who are more inclined to do whatever their paying puppetmasters want.

My husband is a claims manager. He said that contraception is too lucrative $$ for them to slash it or eliminate it. 

[dramallama]

Just now, libgirl2 said:

My husband is a claims manager. He said that contraception is too lucrative $$ for them to slash it or eliminate it. 

Yeah, if there's one thing Americans and their politicians love more than hating women, it's money.