Gilead Is Real: The War On Abortion And Women's Rights 2

[tabitha2]

Huh. In 5th grade our female teachers rounded up all the little girls set them in a room and explained everything about periods. Kids asked questions, they explained.  No males allowed in.  I had already started months ago so it was just time out of schools for me. 
 

My mother was blunt.. if a man rapes you now you can have a baby.  Here is a pad. Only a penis can break your Hymen.  
 

I knew all this already and just wanted to get away from her

Edited July 14, 2022 by tabitha2

[Destiny]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?521600-1/hearing-privacy-civil-rights-post-roe-america

If anyone wants to watch today's Congressional hearings. Today is House Judiciary Committee.

ETA: Jim Jordan is going on about poor threatened CPC centers. If Rufus exists, I hope he makes sure that someone reads the comparison for PP and other abortion clinics. When I used one 20+ years ago for well woman care, there was literal bulletproof glass and I think ID checks and you had to be buzzed in because so many threats that this was a normal fact of life. Also, if forced birthers are so sweet and helpful in their protesting, why the fuck do we need clinic escorts?

(Clinic escorts are amazing people and I wish I had their patience and even tempers. Thank you for your service!)

Edited July 14, 2022 by Destiny

[Audrey2]

4 hours ago, tabitha2 said:

Huh. In 5th grade our female teachers rounded up all the little girls set them in a room and explained everything about periods. Kids asked questions, they explained.  No males allowed in.  I had already started months ago so it was just time out of schools for me. 
 

My mother was blunt.. if a man rapes you now you can have a baby.  Here is a pad. Only a penis can break your Hymen.  
 

I knew all this already and just wanted to get away from her

This is very helpful if, in your school, girls are in 5th grade or higher when they get their period. At the school I used to teach at they would start the period talk in 4th grade and give a little more information in 5th grade and in 6th grade when we had sixth grade in the elementary school. Unfortunately not all girls wait to start their period until after the talk. In the school where I used to teach, I knew of at least two third graders who started their period (their teacher who is a really close friend of mine told me in case they were in my special area and either needed to use the restroom or would start their period in the middle of class). After I moved to a new state and was substituting I even heard of a second grader who started her period. For these much younger girls if a mom is not in tune with the possibility it can be a very scary and traumatic experience for these girls.

@AlmostSavedAtTacoBell, thank you for this very kind words! I was a certified special area teacher who taught reading groups and did reading interventions with fourth graders because of the "and all other duties is signed by the principal" clause in my contract. I absolutely loved my fourth graders and loved teaching their reading groups! In fact it inspired me to pick up classroom certification. Since I've moved to another state I still love picking up as many third and fourth grade sub jobs as possible, although I also enjoy the younger grades and the middle school students.

One really neat thing I've seen at one of the elementary schools I teach at is that teachers put pads in envelopes. If a girl goes to the restroom and discovers that she started her period and comes back and asks for an envelope the teacher automatically lets her go to the restroom again. This definitely saves the girls who are more uncomfortable a trip to the school nurse to ask for menstrual supplies. I'm not sure how the teachers passed the news on to the girls but I thought this was a really neat system.

[GreyhoundFan]

Because of course: "Texas sues Biden admin for requiring abortions in medical emergencies"

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Texas attorney general Ken Paxton (R) sued the Biden administration over federal rules that require abortions be provided in medical emergencies in order to save the life of the mother, even in states with near-total bans.

“The Biden Administration seeks to transform every emergency room in the country into a walk-in abortion clinic,” Paxton said in a statement announcing the lawsuit on Thursday.

The suit follows new guidance from the Department of Health and Human Services that asserted federal law requiring emergency medical treatment supersedes any state restrictions on abortion in cases where the pregnant patient’s life or health is at risk.

Earlier this week, the Biden administration sent a memo to state officials reminding them of an existing law called the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act, which “requires that all patients receive an appropriate medical screening examination, stabilizing treatment, and transfer, if necessary,” according to the HHS guidance. That requirement exists “irrespective of any state laws or mandates that apply to specific procedures,” the memo said.

Although the HHS guidance focuses on abortions performed in emergency situations, Texas officials have interpreted the memo as an order that all hospital emergency rooms must act as a “walk-in abortion clinic.”

“President Biden is flagrantly disregarding the legislative and democratic process—and flouting the Supreme Court’s ruling before the ink is dry—by having his appointed bureaucrats mandate that hospitals and emergency medicine physicians must perform abortions,” the lawsuit said.

The lawsuit challenges the Biden administration guideline on the grounds that it uses federal funds — because it ties compliance to Medicare funds and because Justice Department funding would be spent enforcing the federal law — in violation of the Hyde Amendment that bars federal spending to facilitate an abortion except in cases of rape, incest or the safety of the patient. The suit suggests that this guidance will “coerce healthcare providers to supply abortions outside the allowable scope under the Hyde Amendment.”

The complaint also argues that HHS should have subjected the guidance to a lengthy “notice-and-comment” process required of newly proposed rules from federal agencies. The Biden administration memo did not implement a new rule, but asserted that an existing law should be applied to abortions.

And it contends the guidance violates the Tenth Amendment, along with a law that forbids “arbitrary and capricious” actions by federal agencies.

Texas has a near-total abortion ban with an exception that allows doctors to perform an abortion in order to save the life of a pregnant patient.

The White House and HHS did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

 

[GreyhoundFan]

From today's hearing:

 

 

[adidas]

Pregnant Texas woman driving in HOV lane insists that her baby counts as a passenger (good for her):

https://vt.co/news/us/pregnant-texas-woman-argues-fetus-is-a-living-child-after-receiving-275-hov-lane-ticket?utm_source=vt&utm_medium=picturepost&fbclid=IwAR049e358AA3aZDimDccfKx-On_pd9tX1xR4yrs-LUMxy0sWz_fKiTeziy4#l5kq7ppqyneg358jvjf

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[Destiny]

31 minutes ago, adidas said:

Pregnant Texas woman driving in HOV lane insists that her baby counts as a passenger (good for her):

https://vt.co/news/us/pregnant-texas-woman-argues-fetus-is-a-living-child-after-receiving-275-hov-lane-ticket?utm_source=vt&utm_medium=picturepost&fbclid=IwAR049e358AA3aZDimDccfKx-On_pd9tX1xR4yrs-LUMxy0sWz_fKiTeziy4#l5kq7ppqyneg358jvjf

It is funny, but not good. Stuff like this is setup for fetal personhood, which is A Very Bad Thing that can cause more criminalisation of pregnancy outcomes, and even more restrictions on abortion and birth control.

[47of74]

52 minutes ago, GreyhoundFan said:

From today's hearing:

 

 

I can't wait for the day that fuck stick Gym Jordan has to trade those blue shirts and yellow ties for prison orange.  I absolutely fucking despise Jordan and Republicans at this point. 

[adidas]

51 minutes ago, Destiny said:

It is funny, but not good. Stuff like this is setup for fetal personhood, which is A Very Bad Thing that can cause more criminalisation of pregnancy outcomes, and even more restrictions on abortion and birth control.

I meant that it’s good in terms of the way it’s explained in the article - good for her that she is throwing their law at them and showing the hypocrisy.

[Hasunah2]

1 hour ago, GreyhoundFan said:

Ah yes , the guy who sees a 10 year old and thinks woman . I'm not sure this Jim Bob pp should be around children .

Edited July 14, 2022 by Hasunah2

[front hugs > duggs]

10 year olds old enough to give birth but not old enough to understand a classmate may have two dads or teacher be in a same sex relationship. 
 

I actually hate this place (country) most times these days. 

[Jackie3]

18 hours ago, tabitha2 said:

My mother was blunt.. if a man rapes you now you can have a baby.  Here is a pad. Only a penis can break your Hymen.  
 

I knew all this already and just wanted to get away from her

Your mom was wrong about the hymen, lots of things can cause it to tear.

[Destiny]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?521740-1/house-debates-votes-abortion-rights-legislation&live#

Today's edition of "Can We Give Destiny a Stroke?":
 

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U.S. House of Representatives House Session

The House considers two bills on abortion rights: to turn the 1973 Supreme Court ruling in Roe v. Wade into law, which protects a woman’s right to an abortion, and to guarantee the right to travel for abortion services.

 

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by Destiny
an extra space was making me crazypants.

[dawbs]

23 hours ago, Audrey2 said:

This is very helpful if, in your school, girls are in 5th grade or higher when they get their period. At the school I used to teach at they would start the period talk in 4th grade and give a little more information in 5th grade and in 6th grade when we had sixth grade in the elementary school. Unfortunately not all girls wait to start their period until after the talk. In the school where I used to teach, I knew of at least two third graders who started their period (their teacher who is a really close friend of mine told me in case they were in my special area and either needed to use the restroom or would start their period in the middle of class). After I moved to a new state and was substituting I even heard of a second grader who started her period. For these much younger girls if a mom is not in tune with the possibility it can be a very scary and traumatic experience for these girls.

@AlmostSavedAtTacoBell, thank you for this very kin

One really neat thing I've seen at one of the elementary schools I teach at is that teachers put pads in envelopes. If a girl goes to the restroom and discovers that she started her period and comes back and asks for an envelope the teacher automatically lets her go to the restroom again. This definitely saves the girls who are more uncomfortable a trip to the school nurse to ask for menstrual supplies. I'm not sure how the teachers passed the news on to the girls but I thought this was a really neat system.

That's a great idea! 

My kid isn't far enough into puberty to need things YET but we found a pencil case at dollar tree and put period supplies in it and she had it in her locker (and for the summer is in her suitcase for camp or grandma’s) and i emphasized solidarity that you always share if someone, even your nemisis, needs a pad.

(And the pencil case has kittens on it, because she said she needed something cute if she had to deal with periods) 

31 minutes ago, Destiny said:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?521740-1/house-debates-votes-abortion-rights-legislation&live#

Today's edition of "Can We  Give Destiny a Stroke?":
 

 

Is it just dems trying to play lip service or could this help? 

[Destiny]

You know, Republicans spewing about how more women would have their babies if their circumstances were different aren't wrong, but then they turn around and vote against paid family leave, paid parental leave, minimum wage hikes, healthcare, affordable housing, etc etc etc.

Also, they can fuck off with the abortion for all 9 months shit too. No one wakes up 9 months pregnant and decides to not have the baby. Late term abortions are rare, and nearly universally horrifying, traumatic, and heartbreaking situations where the baby was wanted but something went horribly wrong and the decision to terminate is a painful one.

1 hour ago, dawbs said:

Is it just dems trying to play lip service or could this help? 

I'm not an expert, but I think it will pass then die in the Senate thanks to the filibuster. I could be wrong.

Edited July 15, 2022 by Destiny
forgot a word

[Alisamer]

I'm still boggled by all the "it's not an abortion if it's to save the mother's life" or "it's not an abortion if it's a 10-year-old rape victim".

What is it, then? 

The products of conception are being either removed or caused to be expelled from the woman's body, and the fetus cannot survive the procedure. 

No matter whether it's to save the mother, because the mother doesn't want to be pregnant, because it's the product of rape or incest, because the pregnancy is not viable, whatever... it's an abortion. 

This is why I'm pro using the term abortion everywhere it applies, even if softer terms are more easy to swallow when it's non-elective. Many Republicans are trying to twist it around so abortion is illegal for people who they consider "sluts who should have kept their legs closed" but still legal when THEY or people they care about need one. First step of this is to redefine what "abortion" means. 

[AlmostSavedAtTacoBell]

1 hour ago, Alisamer said:

I'm still boggled by all the "it's not an abortion if it's to save the mother's life" or "it's not an abortion if it's a 10-year-old rape victim".

What is it, then? 

The products of conception are being either removed or caused to be expelled from the woman's body, and the fetus cannot survive the procedure. 

No matter whether it's to save the mother, because the mother doesn't want to be pregnant, because it's the product of rape or incest, because the pregnancy is not viable, whatever... it's an abortion. 

This is why I'm pro using the term abortion everywhere it applies, even if softer terms are more easy to swallow when it's non-elective. Many Republicans are trying to twist it around so abortion is illegal for people who they consider "sluts who should have kept their legs closed" but still legal when THEY or people they care about need one. First step of this is to redefine what "abortion" means. 

Exactly.  Even a miscarriage without any medical intervention is often noted as "spontaneous abortion" on medical records.  Eric Salwell's refusal to allow that betrayal to her own sex to try to weasel around the fact that people wanted to force a ten year old who was likely impregnanted when she was 9 because she was raped TWICE (acccording to his confession) by a 27 year old man to carry a fetus to term and give birth.  

 

15 hours ago, front hugs > duggs said:

10 year olds old enough to give birth but not old enough to understand a classmate may have two dads or teacher be in a same sex relationship. 
 

I actually hate this place (country) most times these days. 

Perfect comment.  These assholes can't quit contradicting themselves.  They can't have kids learning that love is love is love but want a child to have to explain to her classmates why she has a child when the only "child" she should have is a doll. Fucking gollums. 

[Alisamer]

3 minutes ago, AlmostSavedAtTacoBell said:

Perfect comment.  These assholes can't quit contradicting themselves.  They can't have kids learning that love is love is love but want a child to have to explain to her classmates why she has a child when the only "child" she should have is a doll. Fucking gollums. 

More importantly, they don't want 10-year-olds to learn anything about sex. They want abstinence only education and I'm sure they don't want it as young as 10. But those same 10-year-olds if impregnated will suddenly get a crash course on human reproduction when they are forced to carry and birth a baby. 

They are "too young" to learn that people can love other people of the same gender. Republicans are specifically weeding out any learning about empathy. About racism. About any of the uncomfortable history of this country that might make white kids "feel bad". 

But they are old enough to give birth? Really?

[fraurosena]

There is no rhyme or reason to Republican, theocratic thinking, and any attempt to find logic is futile, because there is none. All they want is to control people so they can stay in power. And they will use any means, and anything with any semblance of an excuse, to achieve that. 

[Dandruff]

3 hours ago, Alisamer said:

I'm still boggled by all the "it's not an abortion if it's to save the mother's life" or "it's not an abortion if it's a 10-year-old rape victim".

What is it, then? 

The products of conception are being either removed or caused to be expelled from the woman's body, and the fetus cannot survive the procedure. 

No matter whether it's to save the mother, because the mother doesn't want to be pregnant, because it's the product of rape or incest, because the pregnancy is not viable, whatever... it's an abortion.

They consider and use the term "abortion" with the most negative connotation possible, so I'm not surprised that they reword for instances where they can't find a way to blame the mother.

A (sort of) analogy:  A person is "terminated" from a job - either "fired" for cause or "laid off" with no accusation.  Either way the person is out of a job, but in one case there's blame and in the other there's not.  The anti-choicers, with their wording, want to specify when they believe there's bad behavior involved in terminating a pregnancy and they use that specification as a default.

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[GreyhoundFan]

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