Gilead Is Real: The War On Abortion And Women's Rights 2

[GreyhoundFan]

It appears SCOTUS is going to take us to an ugly place.

 

Continued from here:

 

 

[libgirl2]

I am really going to take abortion laws into consideration when we travel this summer. I'm not spending my  money in a facist state. 

Edited May 5, 2022 by libgirl2

[GiggleOfGirls]

Mr. Girls and I were chatting this morning and he pointed out that in 16-ish years post-Roe, there will probably be an abundance of cheap labor for fast food places and the like.
 

Then I pointed out that ~18 years post-Roe there will likely also be an abundance of young people who see the military as their only path towards a living wage and/or higher education. 
 

So aside from everything else (control issues, etc) there are a fair number of financial and political motivations to uphold abortion bans for the folks who actually have the money and power to stop the bans 😞

[Alisamer]

40 minutes ago, GiggleOfGirls said:

Mr. Girls and I were chatting this morning and he pointed out that in 16-ish years post-Roe, there will probably be an abundance of cheap labor for fast food places and the like.
 

Then I pointed out that ~18 years post-Roe there will likely also be an abundance of young people who see the military as their only path towards a living wage and/or higher education. 
 

So aside from everything else (control issues, etc) there are a fair number of financial and political motivations to uphold abortion bans for the folks who actually have the money and power to stop the bans 😞

Based on the way things seem to be headed, there might be somewhat fewer young people in those situations as you might think, because the girls in that equation will also have no access to abortion, probably extreme limits to birth control if there is anything available at all. And if they continue to go after education, and there's no affordable child care available...

 

[Cartmann99]

 

[FluffySnowball]

36 minutes ago, Cartmann99 said:

 

I shouldn’t be surprised but I still kinda am… and once again I’m grateful I’m not American. Sure, legislation concerning abortion and information about abortion isn’t perfect in Germany either and there are quite a few aspects I’d like to see changed, but I still think our situation here is much better than the one in the US. Also, I expect our abortion rights not to be taken away in the future so there’s that. 

[lumpentheologie]

15 minutes ago, FluffySnowball said:

I shouldn’t be surprised but I still kinda am… and once again I’m grateful I’m not American. Sure, legislation concerning abortion and information about abortion isn’t perfect in Germany either and there are quite a few aspects I’d like to see changed, but I still think our situation here is much better than the one in the US. Also, I expect our abortion rights not to be taken away in the future so there’s that. 

This. As soon as the news came out I told my husband this destroys any chances we had at moving back to the US. (Although I was kind of waiting for universal healthcare to go back anyway). I guess I just have to resign myself to being a foreigner for the foreseeable future. 

At least Germany just gave me permanent residency, so there's that. 

Edited May 5, 2022 by lumpentheologie

[dramallama]

52 minutes ago, Cartmann99 said:

 

Come on Mainers, time to finally toss her useless ass directly into the chilly northern Atlantic.

[thoughtful]

2 hours ago, GiggleOfGirls said:

Mr. Girls and I were chatting this morning and he pointed out that in 16-ish years post-Roe, there will probably be an abundance of cheap labor for fast food places and the like.
 

Then I pointed out that ~18 years post-Roe there will likely also be an abundance of young people who see the military as their only path towards a living wage and/or higher education. 

If the Donohue-Leavitt research made famous in Freakonomics still holds, they (and we) will have lots of miserable teens and young adults in trouble.

But then, lots of the wealthy far-righters probably have investments in for-profit prisons. So they probably see that as win-win, as long as nobody shoots them for their Mercedes.

[dramallama]

2 hours ago, GiggleOfGirls said:

Mr. Girls and I were chatting this morning and he pointed out that in 16-ish years post-Roe, there will probably be an abundance of cheap labor for fast food places and the like.
 

Then I pointed out that ~18 years post-Roe there will likely also be an abundance of young people who see the military as their only path towards a living wage and/or higher education. 
 

So aside from everything else (control issues, etc) there are a fair number of financial and political motivations to uphold abortion bans for the folks who actually have the money and power to stop the bans 😞

More cheap cogs for the imperialist/capitalist machine to grind to mush, so the rich can keep getting richer....that's the ultimate goal.

[FluffySnowball]

Important point. 

[dramallama]

Getting really tired of seeing the thing going around social media that's like, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-Susan who was carrying a baby without a brain, I'm pro-Anne who was raped by her father and impregnated at 10, etc".  I like this one much better,

[WiseGirl]

Safe haven state(s)

Connecticut safe haven legislation passed late Friday night.  I think they are the first state to do so.

New York is preparing to be a safe haven state also.

Massachusetts and New England abortion remains legal (for now).

Then there is Wisconsin.  Wisconsin has a 173-year old abortion law that makes it illegal.  It could go into play again.

And I fear that LBGTQ, birth control, interracial marriages may be next.  USA Today article here.  I live in an area where there are a lot of interracial marriages but than what would Moscow Mitch and asshatThomas do? Divorce their wives who are just as evil as they are?

 

Edited May 5, 2022 by WiseGirl
clarity

[Ozlsn]

 

[FluffySnowball]

13 minutes ago, WiseGirl said:

And I fear that LBGTQ, birth control, interracial marriages may be next.  USA Today article here.  I live in an area where there are a lot of interracial marriages but than what would Moscow Mitch and asshatThomas do? Divorce their wives who are just as evil as they are?

 

I hope and pray that there won’t be any restrictions on interracial relationships and marriages.

However, just in general, I could imagine that existing marriages remain legal while new marriages can no longer get registered. Same for married same sex couples. If gay marriage gets outlawed again, I assume the existing marriages won’t get dissolved but registering new unions won’t be possible. 

[Ozlsn]

So while a specific religious belief is being inserted into the government surely the next step should be banning divorce and declaring all subsequent marriages bigamist? I mean the Catholic church also strongly believes this, so obviously it should be next in line. While we're at it, there's going to be a shortfall in revenue needed for the additional people being born, and we've already jumped on abandoning separation of church and state, so now looks like a good time to start taxing TF out of churches to cover the gap. No not paying them to provide services, just taxing them and then returning the money to the community through govt spending on free contraception, healthcare, housing, parental leave, childcare, upgraded education, universal basic income... you know, all the pro-life things they're after. I'm sure they're all in favour.

[WiseGirl]

11 minutes ago, Ozlsn said:

start taxing TF out of churches

Start with slimy Joel Osteen and any of these asshats. https://wealthypipo.com/richest-pastors

[libgirl2]

2 hours ago, WiseGirl said:

Safe haven state(s)

Connecticut safe haven legislation passed late Friday night.  I think they are the first state to do so.

New York is preparing to be a safe haven state also.

Massachusetts and New England abortion remains legal (for now).

Then there is Wisconsin.  Wisconsin has a 173-year old abortion law that makes it illegal.  It could go into play again.

And I fear that LBGTQ, birth control, interracial marriages may be next.  USA Today article here.  I live in an area where there are a lot of interracial marriages but than what would Moscow Mitch and asshatThomas do? Divorce their wives who are just as evil as they are?

 

Illinois is safe. I gripe about my state but God bless it. 

[dramallama]

28 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

Illinois is safe. I gripe about my state but God bless it. 

Thanks to Illinois in advance from the unwantedly-pregnant people of Ohio and Indiana, and I'm sure many other states nowhere near a coast.

Edited May 6, 2022 by dramallama

[WiseGirl]

 

Edited May 6, 2022 by WiseGirl

[GiggleOfGirls]

4 hours ago, dramallama said:

Getting really tired of seeing the thing going around social media that's like, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-Susan who was carrying a baby without a brain, I'm pro-Anne who was raped by her father and impregnated at 10, etc".  I like this one much better,

Yes! That one is infinitely better!

 

I’d just add:

 

I’m pro-Indigo whose reasons for ending their pregnancy are none of your business.

I’m pro-Elliott whose reasons for ending his pregnancy are none of your business.

[Jana814]

I’m pro anyone & my heart goes out them who has to make the most difficult decision of their lives. 

[samurai_sarah]

1 hour ago, WiseGirl said:

 

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
     Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

-Martin Niemoeller (1946)

Pastor Niemoeller was speaking about Nazi-Germany, but it's true anywhere.

 

[fraurosena]

Louisiana: a fetus has personhood, a woman does not. 
 

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[Ozlsn]

Unfortunately I suspect this would lead in the direction these far right fundies want.