(CW: CSA) Josh & Anna 51: An Unappealing Appeal

[Bobology]

9 minutes ago, caitrona said:

CSSP (cracker sweeping sex pest)

Thank you! It has been a long afternoon for me and this is gold.

Edited to add: I'm pretty sure the cracker-sweeping jokes will never get old. And this makes fun of both of them at the same time (Josh and Anna.)

Michelle was dotting her legal "i"s with little asses (according to Amy Farrah Fowler and Penny) for a while, probably since age 11 or 12, which is when it should stop. The legal guardianship paper for Tyler was signed this way. 

Edited May 12, 2022 by Bobology
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[allyisyourpally5]

Michelle’s letter just confirmed to me what I already believed about her - she’s just as bad as Jim Bob. She clearly has her favourite child. She doesn’t actually give a damn about most of her children past baby age. 
 

Jim Bob is for sure abusive, controlling, manipulative, selfish, perfectly willing to break the law, smug, self righteous and holds a bible up to defend himself. I think Michelle is all those things too, she just hides behind that mouse voice and “I’m so innocent” smile. 
 

She’s a horrible human being. Sorry but that’s my belief. She’s vile. I hope (like a few other wives we discuss on this board) that her actions come back to bite her and she’s left to rot in hell. She deserves it for her part in all this. Shove your letter up your butt Michelle.

[SassyPants]

17 minutes ago, caitrona said:

Yeah, if I was the judge I'd be telling the defense "if you want me to take this into account, I'ma need receipts to confirm this 'generosity', especially while CSSP (cracker sweeping sex pest) has his family living in a goddamn warehouse." 

GD IT, since this “ongoing donation” was mentioned in part as a mitigating factor in a CSA sentencing, I hope the legal system is following that money trail every which way to Sunday. If these idiots brought it up, well someone had better be checking to make sure it’s factual and on the up and up! These people can not be believed without actual proof!

 

[Bobology]

Yeah, I was trying to conjure up how this could even be possible. Best guess is JB paid Josh a salary/commission for "running" the used car lot. If JB wanted to help out someone he could add that amount to Josh's payment, get some little write-off, then Josh could give whoever some money and find a way to get a tax deduction for it... it is all smelly.

[Guanabana]

55 minutes ago, Cheetah said:

Total Internet Speculation Bus time here ... isn't Mrs Query a widow and one of the Query daughters was helping homeschool the Duggar kids?  You could totally say the daughter was volunteering her time and meanwhile Josh is donating money to her mother out of the goodness of his heart to basically pay her under the table rather than having to have any of that taxed.  Just a thought.  

According to the letter the mythical widow lost her husband 4 years ago. 

[fundiewatch]

Clark Wilson is the man who died, whose family he’s reportedly been supporting. Wasn’t Clark Wilson the one who helped them a lot with the house and appeared on very early episodes of the show?

[Guanabana]

I think Mrs. Q has been widowed longer. 

[Jana814]

21 minutes ago, Guanabana said:

I think Mrs. Q has been widowed longer. 

Yes she has. I think her kids were all under the age of 10 when he was killed. 

[BadMurphy]

He could have given that $2k to his victims themselves and it still wouldn’t cancel out what he did to them. 
Put him away.

[Satan'sFortress]

The letters pretty much all say the same thing. He gives away a lot of money and he pays attention to his wife and kids. Cleaning up crackers and remembering to set an alarm to wake up for work do not get you extra bonus points.

I'm curious what a good letter would sound like. (Genuinely curious--is there anything someone could say that would have an impact?)

[SPHASH]

Cracker Sweeping Sex Pest needs to be the next post count title!

[Jana814]

Saw the letters to the judge. So wrong. Josh is an ass. I hope he stays in jail for the rest of his life. 

[noseybutt]

On 5/11/2022 at 4:35 PM, Antimony said:

 

Edit Edit: Also Re: Testing Batteries to Quantify...Evilness via Psychology, I also think it makes sense that past a certain point, any given inventory would stop being sensitive to quantification. I also feel like that is meaningfully different from how WOCAB editorializes. On the kind end of Psychological Assessment, two people could both have the most extreme scoring bin of anxiety but have vastly different experiences in what that means for their actual life, for example. The test can only quantify to a certain point. 

A-to-the-men.

This is very true for things like IQ tests. Over about 145, it really can't be measured. And there is rarely (never) a need to get it that precise anyway.

This is even more true for risk. Generally we say high, medium, and low and leave it at that. (Some guidelines now allow for 5 categories of risk but I think that is pushing the predictive validity beyond the research.)

 

[QuiverFullofBooks]

3 hours ago, fundiewatch said:

Clark Wilson is the man who died, whose family he’s reportedly been supporting. Wasn’t Clark Wilson the one who helped them a lot with the house and appeared on very early episodes of the show?

Yes. Clark helped with the Bates' new house as well. Interesting that Mrs. Wilson apparently didn't write a letter herself. 

Timothy Burress is a good writer. His wife's letter sounds like he wrote hers too. 

[noseybutt]

1 hour ago, Satan'sFortress said:

The letters pretty much all say the same thing. He gives away a lot of money and he pays attention to his wife and kids. Cleaning up crackers and remembering to set an alarm to wake up for work do not get you extra bonus points.

I'm curious what a good letter would sound like. (Genuinely curious--is there anything someone could say that would have an impact?)

Personally I think letters can backfire because his use of CSAM is now a fact and people in his social circle saying how wonderful he is clearly means there is a disconnect and that his social circle is not gauging risk like anyone else on the planet.

Occasionally a psych report can help but only if there is no history of hands-on offending and person is expressing remorse/accepting responsibility.

The fact that he is denying guilt will play well to his social circle but not to the judge.

Edited May 13, 2022 by noseybutt

[samurai_sarah]

1 hour ago, Satan'sFortress said:

The letters pretty much all say the same thing. He gives away a lot of money and he pays attention to his wife and kids. Cleaning up crackers and remembering to set an alarm to wake up for work do not get you extra bonus points.

I'm curious what a good letter would sound like. (Genuinely curious--is there anything someone could say that would have an impact?)

They are describing a card-board cut-out of what they think a decent human being is like, rather than an actual person. Plus "relationship with Jesus" blah, blah, blah, as if that automatically makes anyone a good person. Not to mention that it comes across as if saying that they don't actually really know the person, so they're looking for filler.

Frankly, the most interesting thing I've learned reading these letters is that I shouldn't lend an RV to Samuel Waller - he'll return it as a wreck and expects you to be nice about it?

[JermajestyDuggar]

I guess it’s good that Sam is still single! 

[anjulibai]

27 minutes ago, noseybutt said:

Personally I think letters can backfire because his use of CSAM is now a fact and people in his social circle saying how wonderful he is clearly means there is a disconnect and that his social circle is not gauging risk like anyone else on the planet.

Occasionally a psych report can help but only if there is no history of hands-on offending and person is expressing remorse/accepting responsibility.

The fact that he is denying guilt will play well to his social circle but not to the judge.

Just out of curiosity, is it telling that the prosecution says they calculated 30 years given everything put together, and given the psych eval? I'm very curious what that means? Also, do you think the psych eval will ever be released? 

[Father Son Holy Goat]

19 hours ago, Mrs Ms said:

Imagine teaching criminals how to function in society via education and work training/experience and treating any mental and addiction issues (along with the rest of society because socialism) to take away most reasons for repeat offenders and lifelong criminals?

I think it’s a great idea for those that are capable of reform but many are not. We still need to keep people safe from them. I’ve had 4 people abuse me in my life, I think only 1 of them was capable of reform. The others were too far gone into narcissism. 

[noseybutt]

13 minutes ago, anjulibai said:

Just out of curiosity, is it telling that the prosecution says they calculated 30 years given everything put together, and given the psych eval? I'm very curious what that means? Also, do you think the psych eval will ever be released? 

I didn't see any mention of a psych eval in the sentencing documents.  Either one wasn't done or the defense had one done and isn't using it because it was derogatory.

The prosecution calculated 30 years based on the finding of guilt and the type/amount of CSAM.

Edited May 13, 2022 by noseybutt

[Smee]

8 hours ago, JermajestyDuggar said:

I’m always amazed at how black and white thinking can be when it comes to people doing horrible things. Serial killers can be decent fathers. There are children of serial killers who will flat out tell you their dad was good to them when they were growing up. People can be many things! They can be killers, charitable donors, fathers who are always there for their kids, and animal lovers all in one person! People are fucking complicated beings. Just because they’ve done good things in their lives doesn’t mean they shouldn’t go to prison for harming others. I’m saying this because I think Anna can’t see her husband as both a supportive dad and husband and a CSA user. 

So much this. Many, many sexual abusers are charming/charismatic nice guys who share the load at home and help their kids with homework and coach the soccer team and bath the toddler and then quietly rape her. We believe Josh is smug and lazy and a patriarchal asshole, but there are men who abuse children and for whom every word in these statements would be true (except maybe the “all the other prisoners see his good character and realised he’s innocent!” part coz that’s laughable no matter how good someone’s character is). A friend of mine whose dad killed himself after cops closed in on the library of csa material on his computer said that when she was a child being abused by him she thought it was like chocolate - something “naughty” and “bad for you” that you “don’t tell mum” but which is really a treat from daddy who loves you. He never was physically or verbally violent and most of her extended family still has no idea who he was underneath. This bullshit thinking where people are either “monsters” and “criminals” or “normal, good people” needs to go because it does nothing to prevent bad things happening or bring justice to victims.

Anna and Michelle can’t accept that Josh is a sadistic pedophile because that means rejecting the idea that he’s a cracker-sweeping philanthropist, and they don’t realise that he might in fact be BOTH.

[anjulibai]

47 minutes ago, noseybutt said:

I didn't see any mention of a psych eval in the sentencing documents.  Either one wasn't done or the defense had one done and isn't using it because it was derogatory.

The prosecution calculated 30 years based on the finding of guilt and the type/amount of CSAM.

I see. Thanks!

[AussieKrissy]

16 hours ago, Zebedee said:

And Nicole Burress's is even more bizarre. As the kids say on reddit: "and then everyone stood up and clapped".

 

 

 

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[EmCatlyn]

11 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

His holy presence awes them all. I am sure many are being saved just looking at him. Isn't he in solitary? 

I think that the work Josh is doing saving people in jail is probably why he got caught.  It is The Lord’s Will that Josh should be in prison for at least 18 years so that he can have the same wholesome effect on more inmates.  

Satan put all that CSAM in Josh’s computer, but The Lord let him, because it served God’s purpose.  Josh is Needed in prison and God in His Wisdom has allowed him to be accused and punished so that he can go Do God’s Work in some federal prison.

Anna and Michelle are only women, so of course they don’t see the Will of God, but the men in the family should, and they need to let Joshua go fulfill his destiny.

[AussieKrissy]

10 hours ago, Antimony said:

If there's a grain of truth in here, and most lies have them, I believe that he probably was getting yelled at or harassed. That tracks for me, because we know that nobody in prison is kind to people with child abuse charges. It's absolutely believable.

But, I think it's very possible that the "apology" and inmates claiming they believe he's innocent is them mocking him and he's either too cocky or too socially inept to tell when he's being mocked in this manner. 

or lulling him into a false sense of security... you never know what inmates are up too...